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chiefdave

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  • Oct 23, 2021
  • #52,641
robbiekeane said:
I really don't understand why they don't show positive cases as a percentage of tests taken? They must be deliberately not controlling for that for some reason it's so obvious
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Do you mean something like this?



 
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SIR ERNIE

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 23, 2021
  • #52,642
chiefdave said:
Do you mean something like this?

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Finally a graph with relevance. The more you test the more positive results you'll get.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Oct 23, 2021
  • #52,643
chiefdave said:
Do you mean something like this?

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Blimey, I thought there was a major cover up going on in Italy.
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 23, 2021
  • #52,644
Deleted member 5849 said:
Indeed. And that gets adjusted, of course, by pressures on the NHS. It's the old circular thing that I can't believe we're not at least implementing the low level stuff that, even if it doesn't have an effect, doesn't really put anybody out and, if it *does* have an effect, might save us having to adopt more drastic measures down the line.
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I don’t disagree mate. The interesting additional dynamic regarding mask wearing is that I guess it will help prevent spread of flu which is a big concern this winter so the reticence to reintroduce appears strange.

I’m just personally a little sceptical how much impact the relatively minor measures have, however, would obviously much rather have those brought back in sooner rather than risk harsher measures further down the line. The inconsistency with mask wearing rules & regs for example is strange. The places where it will have most impact is probably if you’re around someone’s house (but most people wouldn’t think of doing that) or in pubs/clubs/very busy places where you’re in close proximity. The Irish regs for example are basically saying you can go to a club/pub with a vaccine passport (we know vaccines don’t really stop transmission though) yet you don’t need to wear a mask if youre drinking, dancing or eating .

So basically if you’re in a empty museum, get your mask on. Busy club/pub, shouting across the music in very close proximity, nah, don’t worry.


Edit - Mandatory on public transport is a no brainer though
 
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robbiekeane

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 23, 2021
  • #52,645
chiefdave said:
Do you mean something like this?

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Perfect thanks. Could you share the link to that date? How far back does it go. For a very long time I couldn’t find anything like this.

Surely the total number of cases shouldn’t ever be reported without the figures in the top chart also? What relevance is it to compare number of cases today and make sweeping statements like “it’s the highest number of cases since March…”?

I am not saying the % of positives isn’t as high as March it could well be, but comparing absolutes is ridiculous
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 23, 2021
  • #52,646
CCFCSteve said:
we know vaccines don’t really stop transmission though
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Looks like there's recent research which indicates vaccination does have an impact on transmission.

Vaccinated people are less likely to spread Covid, new research finds

British scientists examined how the Pfizer-BioNTech and the AstraZeneca vaccines affected the spread of the virus if a person had a breakthrough infection.
www.nbcnews.com
 
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chiefdave

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  • Oct 23, 2021
  • #52,647
robbiekeane said:
Perfect thanks. Could you share the link to that date? How far back does it go. For a very long time I couldn’t find anything like this.

Surely the total number of cases shouldn’t ever be reported without the figures in the top chart also? What relevance is it to compare number of cases today and make sweeping statements like “it’s the highest number of cases since March…”?

I am not saying the % of positives isn’t as high as March it could well be, but comparing absolutes is ridiculous
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Take a look here, you can pick what countries you want and there's all sorts of data you can pick from.

COVID-19 Data Explorer

Explore global data on COVID-19.
ourworldindata.org

For me cases is only really any use for spotting trends in a particular country, even then you have to assume the criteria for testing in that particular country hasn't changed.

For example you can look at our numbers and see that testing has been relatively flat for months, dips down when schools are off but other than that fairly consistent. So you can then look at changes in cases and get a idea of the direction we're going in. So this week tests were again flat with just a 1.4% increase on the previous week, yet cases are up 18.1%.

As ever its better to look at hospitalisations and deaths, up 9.1% and 15.8% respectively. Been mentioned many times on this thread that excess deaths will be the best indication but there's a lag of months in getting those figures, the data up to 2nd July was published 15th October, so not much use in making reactive decisions.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Oct 23, 2021
  • #52,648
chiefdave said:
Looks like there's recent research which indicates vaccination does have an impact on transmission.

Vaccinated people are less likely to spread Covid, new research finds

British scientists examined how the Pfizer-BioNTech and the AstraZeneca vaccines affected the spread of the virus if a person had a breakthrough infection.
www.nbcnews.com
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Sorry, I wasn’t clear Dave. It might have a positive impact on transmission but it doesn’t stop it. As we can tell currently !!
 
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Grendel

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  • Oct 23, 2021
  • #52,649
Sick Boy said:
Blimey, I thought there was a major cover up going on in Italy.
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er no one said that it’s that mass testing as the U.K. does means more cases if more testing? The U.K. administered it says 6.9 million tests in a week which is a pointless measure against countries who have massively reduced test reporting
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 23, 2021
  • #52,650
Grendel said:
er no one said that it’s that mass testing as the U.K. does means more cases if more testing? The U.K. administered it says 6.9 million tests in a week which is a pointless measure against countries who have massively reduced test reporting
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So. Does testing give you Covid?
 
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Kieranp96

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 23, 2021
  • #52,651
Evidence is starting to show # of cases are starting to go down again, id be happy if they stayed around 30k a day over Xmas

I know most you dont like me as im straight up but I do give some entertainment
 

covmark

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 23, 2021
  • #52,652
Kieranp96 said:
Evidence is starting to show # of cases are starting to go down again, id be happy if they stayed around 30k a day over Xmas

I know most you dont like me as im straight up but I do give some entertainment
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It's not that no one likes you, know one knows you. You just talk utter shite.

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Kieranp96

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 23, 2021
  • #52,653
covmark said:
It's not that no one likes you, know one knows you. You just talk utter shite.

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Tomato Tomato.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 23, 2021
  • #52,654
Kieranp96 said:
Tomato Tomato.
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You do chat whiff though. You pencil sharpener

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Kieranp96

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  • Oct 23, 2021
  • #52,655
David O'Day said:
You do chat whiff though. You pencil sharpener

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Yawn, you ink refiller.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Oct 23, 2021
  • #52,656

UK government paves way to bring in tough ‘plan B’ Covid rules

Councils consulted over support for measures such as vaccine passports amid warnings by senior doctors that NHS faces winter illness ‘triple whammy’
www.theguardian.com
 
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Kieranp96

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  • Oct 24, 2021
  • #52,657
3 continuous days of case drops, are we over this peak already?
 
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Evo1883

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  • Oct 24, 2021
  • #52,658
Kieranp96 said:
3 continuous days of case drops, are we over this peak already?
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I think I've heard on here that Sunday is never a true reflection on the figures
 
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Kieranp96

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  • Oct 24, 2021
  • #52,659
Evo1883 said:
I think I've heard on here that Sunday is never a true reflection on the figures
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There was more cases last Sunday 42k.
 

chiefdave

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  • Oct 24, 2021
  • #52,660
Kieranp96 said:
There was more cases last Sunday 42k.
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We can hope but Friday and Saturday were both higher than Friday and Saturday last week so I think a bit early to say we're over the worst of this wave.
 
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David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 24, 2021
  • #52,661
chiefdave said:
We can hope but Friday and Saturday were both higher than Friday and Saturday last week so I think a bit early to say we're over the worst of this wave.
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Cases are likely rise still eve the government admit that.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 24, 2021
  • #52,662
Kieranp96 said:
3 continuous days of case drops, are we over this peak already?
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Hopefully
 

duffer

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 25, 2021
  • #52,663
Kieranp96 said:
Why would I be betting? Lmao get lost ya freak, I will find evidence when I want but I aint getting myself into a gambling situation.
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Because you know you're talking bollocks, so you've bottled it.

There is no evidence whatsoever for your utter bullshit. Fuck off and troll on Facebook, loser, I've just shown you for what you are.
 
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Kieranp96

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 25, 2021
  • #52,664
duffer said:
Because you know you're talking bollocks, so you've bottled it.

There is no evidence whatsoever for your utter bullshit. Fuck off and troll on Facebook, loser, I've just shown you for what you are.
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Dont do Facebook sweetheart
 
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Kieranp96

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 25, 2021
  • #52,665
4 days of continuous drops, lets hope it starts to die out now like it did in july and September
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 25, 2021
  • #52,666
It's burned through the school population who were the last large unvaccinated cohort so it's running out of susceptible people, especially if boosters are delivered quickly.
The boosters seem to be highly effective and quickly effective so hopefully a better Christmas and some relative relief for the NHS to come.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Oct 25, 2021
  • #52,667
Yeah, good news over the last few days. It’s too early to say but maybe there was an element of the return to school spike, which Scotland also saw before cases eventually reduced...it just appeared to take a bit longer to filter through in England. Fingers crossed anyway

Also with half term for many this week, hopefully that will help. I think I heard earlier that we did 300k+ boosters on Saturday as well.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Oct 25, 2021
  • #52,668
fernandopartridge said:
It's burned through the school population who were the last large unvaccinated cohort so it's running out of susceptible people, especially if boosters are delivered quickly.
The boosters seem to be highly effective and quickly effective so hopefully a better Christmas and some relative relief for the NHS to come.
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Beat me to it ! Let’s hope so anyway
 
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Kieranp96

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  • Oct 25, 2021
  • #52,669
fernandopartridge said:
It's burned through the school population who were the last large unvaccinated cohort so it's running out of susceptible people, especially if boosters are delivered quickly.
The boosters seem to be highly effective and quickly effective so hopefully a better Christmas and some relative relief for the NHS to come.
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Boosters seem to restore to full protection of previous two doses + some.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 25, 2021
  • #52,670
So. Does this mean you can catch it off friends after all? I don’t get it, prof Rees-Mogg said you couldn’t.

Cheltenham MP gets Covid after going maskless in Commons

This comes in the same week as Cheltenham's Covid cases rise
www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 26, 2021
  • #52,671
NHS saying over half of over 50s have now had their booster shots.
 
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Kieranp96

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  • Oct 26, 2021
  • #52,672
Brighton Sky Blue said:
NHS saying over half of over 50s have now had their booster shots.
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My grandparents both nearly 80 and can't actually get in so it must be everywhere else carrying the numbers up because they're shit useless here.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 26, 2021
  • #52,673
Kieranp96 said:
My grandparents both nearly 80 and can't actually get in so it must be everywhere else carrying the numbers up because they're shit useless here.
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Looks like something has been changed so hopefully they will hear soon.

My parents were waiting and getting concerned they kept being told it wasn't available for them yet despite being past 6 months after their 2nd jabs. Both have now been booked in for this week but only got the call yesterday. I've also got mine booked in due to being on the vulnerable list, again didn't hear until this week.
 
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Kieranp96

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  • Oct 26, 2021
  • #52,674
chiefdave said:
Looks like something has been changed so hopefully they will hear soon.

My parents were waiting and getting concerned they kept being told it wasn't available for them yet despite being past 6 months after their 2nd jabs. Both have now been booked in for this week but only got the call yesterday. I've also got mine booked in due to being on the vulnerable list, again didn't hear until this week.
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Yea lets hope, I wont get mine until they run down the list and hit my age but I dont even think I will be living in the uk at this point so dont really bother me + I have natural infections immunity so I should be good for atleast another 6/8 months
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 26, 2021
  • #52,675
Kieranp96 said:
My grandparents both nearly 80 and can't actually get in so it must be everywhere else carrying the numbers up because they're shit useless here.
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It's been misreported by the BBC. It's actually 50% of those eligible / invited so actually 25% or less of the over 50s
 
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