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Kieranp96

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  • Oct 22, 2021
  • #52,571
COV said:
Apart from unnaturally huge fingers and a drink problem judging by your posts
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Drink? I dont drink , fat fingers though yes but misses enjoys then so not really to bothered
 
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Kieranp96

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2021
  • #52,572
Evo1883 said:
With all due respect if you are between 20 and 40 then 27% body fat is considered obese .. I usually try and explain to my doctor that atleast 15% of my fat is in my Penis but he doesn't believe me .
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I know im fat lol, but considering I was Iver 25 stone and 50% bf at one point I think its definitely going the right way,
 
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Kieranp96

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  • Oct 22, 2021
  • #52,573
Sick Boy said:
Italy has vaccinated a higher percentage of the population than the UK and had 3,700 cases yesterday, what are you on about?
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3700 yesterday check there cases last week barley 1000, it dont jump to 50k over night, build up over time, the uk clearly is going about it the right way considering we was at 50k cases. Day in August for a point, then it dropped off as fast as it built up,
 
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Kieranp96

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2021
  • #52,574
Evo1883 said:
What happened to me kieran is when I was 25/26 which I'm assuming you are , I was classed as overweight although I looked fine, then I put a bit more weight on into my 30s and then at 37 out of nowhere BAM , high blood pressure .

Try get that BF down more
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Lad I've lost 7 stone + I think im Doing the right thing, guessing you didnt tdy lose weight in your 20s
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Oct 22, 2021
  • #52,575
Kieranp96 said:
3700 yesterday check there cases last week barley 1000, it dont jump to 50k over night, build up over time, the uk clearly is going about it the right way considering we was at 50k cases. Day in August for a point, then it dropped off as fast as it built up,
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There were around 3,000 last Saturday, what are you going on about?
 
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Kieranp96

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2021
  • #52,576
Sick Boy said:
There were around 3,000 last Saturday, what are you going on about?
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Maybe time is flying faster than I think
 

duffer

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2021
  • #52,577
Kieranp96 said:
No I didn't, the death rate is lower the the flu.
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No it really isn't. You are absolutely and completely making shit up, presumably because you don't want to suffer any personal inconvenience.

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Overview

COVID-19 is a new type of coronavirus that causes mild to severe cases. Here’s a quick guide on how to spot symptoms, risk factors, prevent spread of the disease, and find out what to do if you think you have it.
www.webmd.com

Who's the real baby here?

There are some people whose mixture of ignorance and arrogance means that they really shouldn't be allowed near a computer, because they are literally dangerously stupid.

Do some actual fucking research and stop posting bollocks to justify your sense of entitlement. I'm sorry for the tone, but anyone who compares Covid to the flu is a certifiable moron.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2021
  • #52,578
Sick Boy said:
Italy has vaccinated a higher percentage of the population than the UK and had 3,700 cases yesterday, what are you on about?
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it has 3,000 in hospital so the cases can’t be accurate which again makes it a pointless stat really
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Oct 22, 2021
  • #52,579
Grendel said:
it has 3,000 in hospital so the cases can’t be accurate which again makes it a pointless stat really
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Have you got a link to that data? From what I can see on the 18th October there were 358 in ICU.
I don't think there is a major conspiracy/cover up going on to hide cases.
 
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Kieranp96

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2021
  • #52,580
duffer said:
No it really isn't. You are absolutely and completely making shit up, presumably because you don't want to suffer any personal inconvenience.

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Overview

COVID-19 is a new type of coronavirus that causes mild to severe cases. Here’s a quick guide on how to spot symptoms, risk factors, prevent spread of the disease, and find out what to do if you think you have it.
www.webmd.com

Who's the real baby here?

There are some people whose mixture of ignorance and arrogance means that they really shouldn't be allowed near a computer, because they are literally dangerously stupid.

Do some actual fucking research and stop posting bollocks to justify your sense of entitlement. I'm sorry for the tone, but anyone who compares Covid to the flu is a certifiable moron.
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Hmm website looks bollocks prove real science not some bollocks, they cant even do the maths correct.
 
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Kieranp96

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2021
  • #52,581
duffer said:
No it really isn't. You are absolutely and completely making shit up, presumably because you don't want to suffer any personal inconvenience.

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Overview

COVID-19 is a new type of coronavirus that causes mild to severe cases. Here’s a quick guide on how to spot symptoms, risk factors, prevent spread of the disease, and find out what to do if you think you have it.
www.webmd.com

Who's the real baby here?

There are some people whose mixture of ignorance and arrogance means that they really shouldn't be allowed near a computer, because they are literally dangerously stupid.

Do some actual fucking research and stop posting bollocks to justify your sense of entitlement. I'm sorry for the tone, but anyone who compares Covid to the flu is a certifiable moron.
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You have also gone for the elderly, please find a study that does all age groups.
 
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Kieranp96

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2021
  • #52,582
Sick Boy said:
Have you got a link to that data? From what I can see on the 18th October there were 358 in ICU.
I don't think there is a major conspiracy/cover up going on to hide cases.
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358 in icu? Yet uk has what 800? Yet our cases are nearly 20x there as grendal says something dont make sense.
 
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SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2021
  • #52,583
Kieranp96 said:
Should mention my bf is around 27%

Dont need a wank when I got a misses who does that for me.
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Does your misses know about your bf or do you keep it a secret m8
 
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Kieranp96

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2021
  • #52,584
I call bullshit on most EU countrys stats, most have similar if not more in hospital than us yet cases are nowhere near.
 
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Kieranp96

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2021
  • #52,585
SBT said:
Does your misses know about your bf or do you keep it a secret m8
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She knows alot more than my bf %, shes been here since I was a fat fuck, I love how you result to trying to insult me, because you csnt be bothered talking like a man to me.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2021
  • #52,586
Sick Boy said:
Have you got a link to that data? From what I can see on the 18th October there were 358 in ICU.
I don't think there is a major conspiracy/cover up going on to hide cases.
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your starting to sound like astute - its down from 2.7k to 2.4K in the last few days it’s hardly a cover up the infections are based on testing and for some reason the U.K. is testing 4 times more than Europe now


Italy: COVID-19 patients hospitalized symptoms 2025| Statista

The coronavirus (COVID-19) outbreak caused massive troubles in Italy.
www.statista.com
 

robbiekeane

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2021
  • #52,587
Grendel said:
A medical guy on the radio confirmed our rate of infection is partly due to the fact we do test far more than most comparative countries - at present 4 times more that Germany and France.
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I really don't understand why they don't show positive cases as a percentage of tests taken? They must be deliberately not controlling for that for some reason it's so obvious
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Oct 22, 2021
  • #52,588
Grendel said:
your starting to sound like astute - its down from 2.7k to 2.4K in the last few days it’s hardly a cover up the infections are based on testing and for some reason the U.K. is testing 4 times more than Europe now


Italy: COVID-19 patients hospitalized symptoms 2025| Statista

The coronavirus (COVID-19) outbreak caused massive troubles in Italy.
www.statista.com
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I was referring to ICU patients, which is in the 100s.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2021
  • #52,589
robbiekeane said:
I really don't understand why they don't show positive cases as a percentage of tests taken? They must be deliberately not controlling for that for some reason it's so obvious
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the U.K. tests are around 1 million a day so it’s not surprising 50,000 are recorded - a lot of the positives also are in the south west Wiltshire Somerset and Avon which has something to do with the Wolverhampton false test issue - why I don’t know
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2021
  • #52,590
Sick Boy said:
I was referring to ICU patients, which is in the 100s.
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uk is around 700 isn’t it so again the same argument holds
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2021
  • #52,591
It’s 892 today so it’s obvious the actual rest data is not a correlation of hospital and ICU when you make cross country comparisons
 

Saddlebrains

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2021
  • #52,592
Worst that will happen, masks in public settings, work from home till say March, vaccine passports for sports events etc.


Wont close anything again im confident
 
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fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2021
  • #52,593
robbiekeane said:
I really don't understand why they don't show positive cases as a percentage of tests taken? They must be deliberately not controlling for that for some reason it's so obvious
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They do
 

duffer

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 23, 2021
  • #52,594
Kieranp96 said:
Hmm website looks bollocks prove real science not some bollocks, they cant even do the maths correct.
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What's bollocks is your complete ignorance. Try reading it again... here's the magic phrase that shoots down your ludicrous comparison to flu...

The death rate among COVID-19 patients was 18.5%, while it was 5.3% for those with the flu. Those with COVID were nearly five times more likely to die than flu patients, according to the study published online Dec. 15 in the BMJ.

You'll notice there's nothing about age in that phrase. In fact there's nothing about age in that study, other than to point out that the average age was the same for both groups (flu and Covid). In scientific terms, broadly speaking, that's controlling for age to show that it isn't a factor in the difference in death rate. Read it again for yourself.

Have a read of this too, which also blows apart your argument:

One year on: Three myths about COVID-19 that the data proved wrong

Three charts measuring 'years of life lost' that disprove three ‘myths’ that were prevalent at the start of the pandemic.
www.health.org.uk

Here's the ONS data. That's the Office of National Statistics, the UK's largest independent producer of official statistics and its recognised national statistical institute:

Deaths due to coronavirus (COVID-19) compared with deaths from influenza and pneumonia, England and Wales - Office for National Statistics

Comparison of deaths from the coronavirus (COVID-19) with deaths from influenza (flu) and pneumonia. Includes deaths by date of death occurrence and breakdowns by sex and age.
www.ons.gov.uk

I reckon they know a bit more about maths than you do, mate. They say:
  • In comparison with the deaths due to influenza and pneumonia occurring in the year to 31 August 2020, deaths due to COVID-19 have been higher than every year monthly data are available (1959 to 2020).
And here again, just published, the British Medical Journal reviews all the studies...

Covid and flu: what do the numbers tell us about morbidity and deaths?

Much confusion has been seen in the UK media about the effects on mortality of flu and covid-19. Gareth Iacobucci separates fact from fiction Data from the Office for National Statistics show that in England and Wales the number of deaths from influenza was 1598 in 2018 and 1223 in 2019.1 This...
www.bmj.com

And comes to the conclusion. "The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimated that in the US there were 1.8 deaths from flu per 100 000 population between 1999 and 2019.8 The estimated death rate from covid was 217.54 per 100 000 in the US and 206.73 per 100 000 in the UK"

So, how about a bet?

You provide actual scientific evidence like I've done, so peer-reviewed studies or official statistics, that back up your ludicrous claim that Covid is no more serious than seasonal flu and I'll give Nick £50 for a charity of his choice, and stay off the forum for a year. Facebook bullshit, or 'fat bloke down the pub told me' doesn't count I'm afraid.

If you can't provide evidence to that standard, then you do the same. Stay off the forum for a year, and give Nick £50 for a charity of his choice.

I get the impression you think this is a bit of a laugh, and I'm all for freedom of speech, but not when someone is spreading dangerously stupid lies.

Frankly mate, you're a menace, and when you either chicken out of the bet or lose it (as you will), then everyone here will see that - and hopefully remind you of it every single time you post your bullshit.
 
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duffer

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 23, 2021
  • #52,595
Grendel said:
your starting to sound like astute - its down from 2.7k to 2.4K in the last few days it’s hardly a cover up the infections are based on testing and for some reason the U.K. is testing 4 times more than Europe now


Italy: COVID-19 patients hospitalized symptoms 2025| Statista

The coronavirus (COVID-19) outbreak caused massive troubles in Italy.
www.statista.com
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I'm not quite sure where you're going with this. Is there a suggestion that because we're testing more it's somehow influencing the number of people getting ill and/or dying from Covid? That seems illogical.

Here are the figures for people dying of Covid in the last seven days (I've gone for Western Europe, populations are: Germany a bit more than us, Italy a bit less, France about the same, Spain about 2/3rds ish of ours):

UK: 764
Germany: 390
Italy: 221
Spain: 128
France: 94

Is the difference in deaths down to us testing proportionately more than those places this week, or is it perhaps something to do with the way we're managing the pandemic?

(from COVID-19 deaths per capita by country | Statista)
 
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robbiekeane

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 23, 2021
  • #52,596
Seattle tonight, craft beer joint. Works fine, having a great time
 
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Kieranp96

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 23, 2021
  • #52,597
duffer said:
What's bollocks is your complete ignorance. Try reading it again... here's the magic phrase that shoots down your ludicrous comparison to flu...

The death rate among COVID-19 patients was 18.5%, while it was 5.3% for those with the flu. Those with COVID were nearly five times more likely to die than flu patients, according to the study published online Dec. 15 in the BMJ.

You'll notice there's nothing about age in that phrase. In fact there's nothing about age in that study, other than to point out that the average age was the same for both groups (flu and Covid). In scientific terms, broadly speaking, that's controlling for age to show that it isn't a factor in the difference in death rate. Read it again for yourself.

Have a read of this too, which also blows apart your argument:

One year on: Three myths about COVID-19 that the data proved wrong

Three charts measuring 'years of life lost' that disprove three ‘myths’ that were prevalent at the start of the pandemic.
www.health.org.uk

Here's the ONS data. That's the Office of National Statistics, the UK's largest independent producer of official statistics and its recognised national statistical institute:

Deaths due to coronavirus (COVID-19) compared with deaths from influenza and pneumonia, England and Wales - Office for National Statistics

Comparison of deaths from the coronavirus (COVID-19) with deaths from influenza (flu) and pneumonia. Includes deaths by date of death occurrence and breakdowns by sex and age.
www.ons.gov.uk

I reckon they know a bit more about maths than you do, mate. They say:
  • In comparison with the deaths due to influenza and pneumonia occurring in the year to 31 August 2020, deaths due to COVID-19 have been higher than every year monthly data are available (1959 to 2020).
And here again, just published, the British Medical Journal reviews all the studies...

Covid and flu: what do the numbers tell us about morbidity and deaths?

Much confusion has been seen in the UK media about the effects on mortality of flu and covid-19. Gareth Iacobucci separates fact from fiction Data from the Office for National Statistics show that in England and Wales the number of deaths from influenza was 1598 in 2018 and 1223 in 2019.1 This...
www.bmj.com

And comes to the conclusion. "The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimated that in the US there were 1.8 deaths from flu per 100 000 population between 1999 and 2019.8 The estimated death rate from covid was 217.54 per 100 000 in the US and 206.73 per 100 000 in the UK"

So, how about a bet?

You provide actual scientific evidence like I've done, so peer-reviewed studies or official statistics, that back up your ludicrous claim that Covid is no more serious than seasonal flu and I'll give Nick £50 for a charity of his choice, and stay off the forum for a year. Facebook bullshit, or 'fat bloke down the pub told me' doesn't count I'm afraid.

If you can't provide evidence to that standard, then you do the same. Stay off the forum for a year, and give Nick £50 for a charity of his choice.

I get the impression you think this is a bit of a laugh, and I'm all for freedom of speech, but not when someone is spreading dangerously stupid lies.

Frankly mate, you're a menace, and when you either chicken out of the bet or lose it (as you will), then everyone here will see that - and hopefully remind you of it every single time you post your bullshit.
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Why would I be betting? Lmao get lost ya freak, I will find evidence when I want but I aint getting myself into a gambling situation.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Oct 23, 2021
  • #52,598
Kieranp96 said:
Why would I be betting? Lmao get lost ya freak, I will find evidence when I want but I aint getting myself into a gambling situation.
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A charity donation is hardly a path to a slippery slope. Unless of course you’re not confident of winning the argument?
 

covmark

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 23, 2021
  • #52,599
Kieranp96 said:
Why would I be betting? Lmao get lost ya freak, I will find evidence when I want but I aint getting myself into a gambling situation.
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In other words - Duffers made you look like a tit, and you don't have any evidence for the shite that you're posting.

Sent from my SM-G780F using Tapatalk
 
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Kieranp96

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 23, 2021
  • #52,600
covmark said:
In other words - Duffers made you look like a tit, and you don't have any evidence for the shite that you're posting.

Sent from my SM-G780F using Tapatalk
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I remember seei g it everywhere that covid had a higher infections rate and lower mortality rate sometime last year when everyone was freaking out.
 
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Kieranp96

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 23, 2021
  • #52,601
covmark said:
In other words - Duffers made you look like a tit, and you don't have any evidence for the shite that you're posting.

Sent from my SM-G780F using Tapatalk
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And if he made me look like a tit so what I still am not a betting, I didn't lose like 17k in a few months like 5 years ago and self exclude myself if I was going to gsmble again.
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Oct 23, 2021
  • #52,602
Kieranp96 said:
I didn't lose like 17k in a few months like 5 years ago and self exclude myself if I was going to gsmble again.
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Christ, I didn't realise they let 10 year olds bet!
 
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Kieranp96

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 23, 2021
  • #52,603
Sick Boy said:
A charity donation is hardly a path to a slippery slope. Unless of course you’re not confident of winning the argument?
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Or perhaps it is when yoo have had issues in the past,
 
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Kieranp96

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 23, 2021
  • #52,604
Deleted member 5849 said:
Christ, I didn't realise they let 10 year olds bet!
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I mean the 96 in my year is not just a random number
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Oct 23, 2021
  • #52,605
Kieranp96 said:
And if he made me look like a tit.
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Not sure you’ve needed much help with some of your comments on this thread.
 
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