Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (3 Viewers)

[Brighton Sky Blue]

no it just as other have pointed out can lead to large numbers of false positives or negatives

You can not do mass testing at 97%

The problem with PCR is that the more cycles you run the more likely you are to 'detect' virus even after the infection has subsided. I'm more confused as to where the false negatives are coming from

 

[wingy]

You don't want to be headed this way.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/belgium-covid-hospitals-schools/2020/10/23/85358010-14a9-11eb-a258-614acf2b906d_story.html

Imagine that.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

You don't want to be headed this way.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/belgium-covid-hospitals-schools/2020/10/23/85358010-14a9-11eb-a258-614acf2b906d_story.html

Imagine that.

If they want to protect the NHS, they need to get on with it.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

You don't want to be headed this way.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/belgium-covid-hospitals-schools/2020/10/23/85358010-14a9-11eb-a258-614acf2b906d_story.html

Imagine that.

And so it continues to happen that they let hundreds of people in each year group mix like there was nothing going on, then it was brought home and spread to parents and other relatives. Anyone could have seen it coming

 

[chiefdave]

You don't want to be headed this way.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/belgium-covid-hospitals-schools/2020/10/23/85358010-14a9-11eb-a258-614acf2b906d_story.html

Imagine that.

This jumped out of the article for me.

As of this past week, Belgium is no longer testing people without symptoms, even if they may have been exposed.

We haven't been doing test on people without symptoms for months have we? Worrying that they are highlighting that as a cause of staff shortages in many areas with those that may not be infected having to quarantine. Our testing system is struggling to cope as it is.

 

[fernandopartridge]

This jumped out of the article for me.

We haven't been doing test on people without symptoms for months have we? Worrying that they are highlighting that as a cause of staff shortages in many areas with those that may not be infected having to quarantine. Our testing system is struggling to cope as it is.

We don't do tests without symptoms but it's only a self-declaration as to whether you do with no oversight by a medical professional

 

[David O'Day]

The problem with PCR is that the more cycles you run the more likely you are to 'detect' virus even after the infection has subsided. I'm more confused as to where the false negatives are coming from

Because no system is correct all the time and it will and already has had false negatives

 

[wingy]

This jumped out of the article for me.

We haven't been doing test on people without symptoms for months have we? Worrying that they are highlighting that as a cause of staff shortages in many areas with those that may not be infected having to quarantine. Our testing system is struggling to cope as it is.

Asymptomatic hospital staff " Come to work".

 

[wingy]

Recent relaxation of mandatory mask wearing and social contact's within the last month .
If it's having that much effect there in the mentioned sphere's ,how long before they have shortages of essentials of everyday life?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Because no system is correct all the time and it will and already has had false negatives

I meant the scientific reasons

 

[wingy]

Belgium profile: 75 facts & rankings w/ maps & charts

Belgium ranks 23/197 by GDP ($725B) and 17/197 by GDP per capita ($60,750). The top export category is chemicals & pharma, while the top import is machinery & equipment.

georank.org

Numbers mind boggling considering population of 17% UK

 

[Kieranp96]

We don't do tests without symptoms but it's only a self-declaration as to whether you do with no oversight by a medical professional

I was tested no symptoms due to being in contact with a + case.

 

[shmmeee]

I was tested no symptoms due to being in contact with a + case.

How? Both my ex who teaches and my partner who works in the NHS were refused tests because they had no symptoms.

 

[shmmeee]

I'm not interested in how shit the tories are - I don't think anyone is really in disagreement.

A debate on the virus and opinions/insight into certain things without wanking one off would be great though.

Fair enough. Though TBH most of my frustration with the virus is a sense that we’re going to be stuck in this shit forever for political reasons.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Fair enough. Though TBH most of my frustration with the virus is a sense that we’re going to be stuck in this shit forever for political reasons.

I agree. It seems like a lot of the worst problems, esp now, were largely avoidable with strong leadership and sensible, albeit probably unpopular, action to contain it. Instead this fear of being unpopular, slavish preoccupation with economics ahead of public health and determination to give contracts to mates and donors have made things far, far worse than they needed to be.

This isn't Tory-bashing - I can't guarantee anyone else would've done a better job - but the fact is it's a Tory govt with a massive majority pulling the strings so they've got to carry the can for it, only they're trying their hardest not to and blame anyone and everyone else, including the scientists, the health professionals, local govt and the public. Always someone else's fault.

 

[fernandopartridge]

How? Both my ex who teaches and my partner who works in the NHS were refused tests because they had no symptoms.

Think they've rationed them over the last couple of months

 

[SBAndy]

I agree. It seems like a lot of the worst problems, esp now, were largely avoidable with strong leadership and sensible, albeit probably unpopular, action to contain it. Instead this fear of being unpopular, slavish preoccupation with economics ahead of public health and determination to give contracts to mates and donors have made things far, far worse than they needed to be.

This isn't Tory-bashing - I can't guarantee anyone else would've done a better job - but the fact is it's a Tory govt with a massive majority pulling the strings so they've got to carry the can for it, only they're trying their hardest not to and blame anyone and everyone else, including the scientists, the health professionals, local govt and the public. Always someone else's fault.

You’d think that the first year of a 5-year term is the time to make the unpopular decisions.

 

[Ian1779]

You’d think that the first year of a 5-year term is the time to make the unpopular decisions.

Their antics over the last 2 months go way beyond the notion of unpopular decisions.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

You’d think that the first year of a 5-year term is the time to make the unpopular decisions.

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Of course it would be, or at least in the first half of it, but Johnson seems obsessed with popularity. However, it's weird the stuff he'll leak to gauge opinion on first yet feeding needy kids out of term time, which hardly anyone would say isn't a worthy cause, is a hill they're (so far) willing to die on. Even more so when they're saying it should be a LA issue when LA funding has been drastically cut by their party while in power. So don't give them the money to be able to do it then blame them for not doing anything about it. Bizarre. I know we've been copying US culture for quite a while but this govt does increasingly have the hallmarks of the Trump administration.

 

[djr8369]

You’d think that the first year of a 5-year term is the time to make the unpopular decisions.

You’d think a super forecaster might realise that

 

[SBAndy]

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Of course it would be, or at least in the first half of it, but Johnson seems obsessed with popularity. However, it's weird the stuff he'll leak to gauge opinion on first yet feeding needy kids out of term time, which hardly anyone would say isn't a worthy cause, is a hill they're (so far) willing to die on. Even more so when they're saying it should be a LA issue when LA funding has been drastically cut by their party while in power. So don't give them the money to be able to do it then blame them for not doing anything about it. Bizarre. I know we've been copying US culture for quite a while but this govt does increasingly have the hallmarks of the Trump administration.

It’s really unpleasant. I’m (unfortunately, for me) quite a politically charged person and I watch this play out - what is the necessity to depress (in economic terms) the poor constantly?

 

[djr8369]

I know we've been copying US culture for quite a while but this govt does increasingly have the hallmarks of the Trump administration.

Exactly this. They don’t seem to have anything other than to copy Trump. They’ve randomly started copying his war on critical race theory bringing it up during the debate on black history month last week.

 

[shmmeee]

You’d think that the first year of a 5-year term is the time to make the unpopular decisions.

That’s the mental thing. They aren’t taking unpopular decisions for the good of whatever. This shit Is them trying to make popular decisions among their base, even though there’s no evidence their base as they see it exists.

I reckon Cummings has handed the Tories a bunch of voters they don’t understand other than through a Brexit lens. Cummings thinks they’re all like @No2BLMUK#KBF on Twitter and they’re not. Most of them are like my ex mother in law.

Add in the traditional Tories wanting to keep making money and the baby libertarians like Toby Young and they’re upsetting everyone for no clear reason.

Just outright incompetence of both governance and politics.

Would be funny to watch if it didn’t also mean that I can’t have sleepovers for my kids or watch the football mind.

 

[Kieranp96]

How? Both my ex who teaches and my partner who works in the NHS were refused tests because they had no symptoms.

Just got a notification from the app, called 111 as I was due to be doing something important and they just said go get a test, did that and got results 2 days later, negative test thank god as it was important.

 

[shmmeee]

Just got a notification from the app, called 111 as I was due to be doing something important and they just said go get a test, did that and got results 2 days later, negative test thank god as it was important.

Mental. The exact thing happened with my ex and she wasn’t allowed a test and had to isolate for two weeks while someone else took her classes.

 

[Nick]

Has the test place at the Ricoh been closed? Went past yesterday and today and although there's a few high vis people it's not really doing much?

 

[Saddlebrains]

Has the test place at the Ricoh been closed? Went past yesterday and today and although there's a few high vis people it's not really doing much?

It never has. Massive waste of space that place

 

[SBAndy]

Has the test place at the Ricoh been closed? Went past yesterday and today and although there's a few high vis people it's not really doing much?

After the Wasps lost the grand final it closed. Not sure whether they’re interlinked (this was a fabrication).

 

[shmmeee]

Has the test place at the Ricoh been closed? Went past yesterday and today and although there's a few high vis people it's not really doing much?

I thought the one under the ring road by IKEA had shut but the other day saw a few people in hi vis there as well. Fuck knows what’s going on.

 

[Kieranp96]

Mental. The exact thing happened with my ex and she wasn’t allowed a test and had to isolate for two weeks while someone else took her classes.

No idea, but it was pretty simple, it wa a only last week when I go tested well 9 days ago so maybe it changed since she had contact or symptoms?

 

[robbiekeane]

So what’s everyone’s guess for when a vaccine will be widely available? As in, widely enough available that everyone can go back to work?

 

[clint van damme]

It never has. Massive waste of space that place

apt.

 

[clint van damme]

Coronavirus: Antibodies fall rapidly after COVID infection, dashing hopes of herd immunity - study

Researchers find that the number of people with antibodies in their study fell by 26% since lockdown measures were relaxed.

news.sky.com

 

[Sick Boy]

Bars and restaurants shut here from 18:00 now and 75% of teaching done online and the practical lessons done in school.

 

[shmmeee]

Bars and restaurants shut here from 18:00 now and 75% of teaching done online and the practical lessons done in school.

What’s it like living in a sensible country?