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skybluetony176

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  • Oct 21, 2021
  • #52,396
 

stupot07

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  • Oct 21, 2021
  • #52,397
A good article

Yes, we have to live with Covid – but not with such irresponsible ministers | Philip Ball

The government sees no need for precautions. Given the sheer numbers of infected people, that’s irresponsible and encourages complacency, says science writer Philip Ball
www.theguardian.com

Sent from my SM-G965F using Tapatalk
 

chiefdave

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  • Oct 21, 2021
  • #52,398
Shall we have a sweepstake on when we get the 'nobody could have seen this coming' press conference?
 
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David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 21, 2021
  • #52,399
chiefdave said:
Shall we have a sweepstake on when we get the 'nobody could have seen this coming' press conference?
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Can i have about 2 weeks after the press have been running stories about the impending disaster that's about to coe
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 21, 2021
  • #52,400
clint van damme said:
Have Hungarians got a word for someone who doesn't give a fuck about their fellow citizens dying in large numbers?
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Orbanisation
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 21, 2021
  • #52,401
It's going to get messy isn't it? All because this government won't do what's needed until it's too late. Just like they did last year. It's amazing that anyone can defend them when they not only don't learn but they don't even seem to want to.
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 21, 2021
  • #52,402
Jeremy Hunt with interesting comments.
The numbers are likely related to the drop off of Immunity rather than mask's, passport's etc.
Suggests not following a rigid 6 month in booster strategy.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 21, 2021
  • #52,403
wingy said:
Jeremy Hunt with interesting comments.
The numbers are likely related to the drop off of Immunity rather than mask's, passport's etc.
Suggests not following a rigid 6 month in booster strategy.
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But masks would reduce infection rates and mitigate the lack of immunity until boosters were given.
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 21, 2021
  • #52,404
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
But masks would reduce infection rates and mitigate the lack of immunity until boosters were given.
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Think it was more around addressing the difference here with the continent etc.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 21, 2021
  • #52,405
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
But masks would reduce infection rates and mitigate the lack of immunity until boosters were given.
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I don’t understand why we didn’t commit hard to boosters in September. We have the infrastructure and the doses
 
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Grendel

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  • Oct 21, 2021
  • #52,406
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I don’t understand why we didn’t commit hard to boosters in September. We have the infrastructure and the doses
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We have done 2 million apparantly and actually I know a lot who have had them already and I am told I will get mine at 6 months

Volunteers in some areas to administer? No idea?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 21, 2021
  • #52,407
Grendel said:
We have done 2 million apparantly and actually I know a lot who have had them already and I am told I will get mine at 6 months

Volunteers in some areas to administer? No idea?
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Knowing how it unfolded last time I’d have gone for less than 6 months considering that additional immunity still takes time to kick in
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 21, 2021
  • #52,408
Grendel said:
We have done 2 million apparantly and actually I know a lot who have had them already and I am told I will get mine at 6 months

Volunteers in some areas to administer? No idea?
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Thought I'd seen 4M published?
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 21, 2021
  • #52,409
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Knowing how it unfolded last time I’d have gone for less than 6 months considering that additional immunity still takes time to kick in
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It's a tricky one.
Wasn't there some data/evidence that Isreal may have gone too early?
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 21, 2021
  • #52,410
Isn't it more difficult to get this one delivered as storage delivery requirements are more demanding?
 

SIR ERNIE

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  • Oct 21, 2021
  • #52,411
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
But masks would reduce infection rates and mitigate the lack of immunity until boosters were given.
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…if they were the clean, sterile high grade masks used in hospitals and surgeries and disposed of after every use, then possibly.

However are you seriously suggesting that the dirty old germ ridden pieces of cloth worn and re-worn by the majority of mask wearers for days or even weeks on end provide any sort of protection?

Or are they little more than items of virtue signalling.
 

David O'Day

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  • Oct 21, 2021
  • #52,412
SIR ERNIE said:
…if they were the clean, sterile high grade masks used in hospitals and surgeries and disposed of after every use, then possibly.

However are you seriously suggesting that the dirty old germ ridden pieces of cloth worn and re-worn by the majority of mask wearers for days or even weeks on end provide any sort of protection?

Or are they little more than items of virtue signalling.
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It's not protection fory ou Ernie, it cuts the risk of you transmitting it to someone else. This was established last year on here.
 
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Grendel

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  • Oct 21, 2021
  • #52,413
David O'Day said:
It's not protection fory ou Ernie, it cuts the risk of you transmitting it to someone else. This was established last year on here.
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Hi David didn't see you on the football chat last night. We struggled without Gyokeres didn't we? When is he back mate?
 

David O'Day

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  • Oct 21, 2021
  • #52,414
Grendel said:
Hi David didn't see you on the football chat last night. We struggled without Gyokeres didn't we? When is he back mate?
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I see you are that fucking stupid you don't know what the word "unlikely" means. You also don't seem to understand what it means when some passes on something they have heard.

You'd think a man that had a long and successful made up career in marketing would understand whatnot complicated words mean.

Anyway mate I was at the game so why would i post on here during that game?

That'll be about 55,000- 0 to me by now.
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Oct 21, 2021
  • #52,415
David O'Day said:
I see you are that fucking stupid you don't know what the word "unlikely" means. You also don't seem to understand what it means when some passes on something they have heard.

You'd think a man that had a long and successful made up career in marketing would understand whatnot complicated words mean.

Anyway mate I was at the game so why would i post on here during that game?

That'll be about 55,000- 0 to me by now.
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David O'Day

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  • Oct 21, 2021
  • #52,416
This is like the time you got up set because you didn't realise that Cnut and Canute are both accepted spellings/

Still back to the topic at hand
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Oct 21, 2021
  • #52,417


The remaining 5m unvaccinated need to see this graph extrapolated out for the year to date . No brainer
 
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robbiekeane

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  • Oct 21, 2021
  • #52,418
SIR ERNIE said:
…if they were the clean, sterile high grade masks used in hospitals and surgeries and disposed of after every use, then possibly.

However are you seriously suggesting that the dirty old germ ridden pieces of cloth worn and re-worn by the majority of mask wearers for days or even weeks on end provide any sort of protection?

Or are they little more than items of virtue signalling.
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They significantly reduce the amount of moisture particles that go from your mouth to the area that you are occupying and the distance they travel.

Yes washing your mask regularly is a more hygienic choice but even if you don’t, it is still the same physical barrier.

Pretty sure you understand that though, but it’s easier to push the virtue signalling narrative
 
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clint van damme

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  • Oct 21, 2021
  • #52,419
Did I hear correctly when driving home, the boosters are going to be Pfizer, I assume that means regardless of whether your original jabs were or not?
 

robbiekeane

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  • Oct 21, 2021
  • #52,420
CCFCSteve said:
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The remaining 5m unvaccinated need to see this graph extrapolated out for the year to date . No brainer
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What time frame is this?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Oct 21, 2021
  • #52,421
robbiekeane said:
They significantly reduce the amount of moisture particles that go from your mouth to the area that you are occupying and the distance they travel.

Yes washing your mask regularly is a more hygienic choice but even if you don’t, it is still the same physical barrier.

Pretty sure you understand that though, but it’s easier to push the virtue signalling narrative
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While I don’t disagree, too many people don’t seem to understand that the non-surgical cloth masks don’t offer proper protection. The FFP2 are ones that are actually most relatable and protect the wearer.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Oct 21, 2021
  • #52,422
clint van damme said:
Did I hear correctly when driving home, the boosters are going to be Pfizer, I assume that means regardless of whether your original jabs were or not?
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Yep, same being done in Italia.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Oct 21, 2021
  • #52,423
CCFCSteve said:
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The remaining 5m unvaccinated need to see this graph extrapolated out for the year to date . No brainer
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Think there was a post earlier this week with another countries data on that was split out into vaccinated and unvaccinated. Understand we might not have that information for the daily figures but a weekly update along the lines of what percentage of hospitalisations and deaths are unvaccinated would be worthwhile if they're struggling with uptake.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Oct 21, 2021
  • #52,424
Sick Boy said:
While I don’t disagree, too many people don’t seem to understand that the non-surgical cloth masks don’t offer proper protection. The FFP2 are ones that are actually most relatable and protect the wearer.
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Something is better than nothing. Ideally you'd want a higher standard of masks but given how much difficulty people seem to have with very basic public health information you've got to be careful with how you put things across.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Oct 21, 2021
  • #52,425
chiefdave said:
Think there was a post earlier this week with another countries data on that was split out into vaccinated and unvaccinated. Understand we might not have that information for the daily figures but a weekly update along the lines of what percentage of hospitalisations and deaths are unvaccinated would be worthwhile if they're struggling with uptake.
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Agreed. They’ll need take into account the percentage of population that’s been vaccinated as well. The data will be there, someone from NHS just needs to crunch the numbers
 

David O'Day

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  • Oct 21, 2021
  • #52,426
clint van damme said:
Did I hear correctly when driving home, the boosters are going to be Pfizer, I assume that means regardless of whether your original jabs were or not?
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Yes, when I booked my mums it said there are Pfizer or Moderna no mater what you first got
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Oct 21, 2021
  • #52,427
robbiekeane said:
What time frame is this?
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Week 37-40 in last weeks ONS surveillance report. I’d imagine due to waning immunity, especially in elderly it might be even more pronounced over a longer period

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1025358/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-41.pdf
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Oct 21, 2021
  • #52,428
chiefdave said:
Something is better than nothing. Ideally you'd want a higher standard of masks but given how much difficulty people seem to have with very basic public health information you've got to be careful with how you put things across.
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Agreed that something is better than nothing.
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 21, 2021
  • #52,429
David O'Day said:
This is like the time you got up set because you didn't realise that Cnut and Canute are both accepted spellings/

Still back to the topic at hand
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I think we all know what spelling applies to you - anyway any more inside info? Whose injured this week?
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Oct 21, 2021
  • #52,430
Kieranp96 said:
The NHS especially in cov was barley under stress in previous waves, now we have vaccines + better viral medication + they have bsck up beds in pretty much all hospitals this winter will be no problem,. Cases still. In kids and parents atm
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You talk shite. They even showed a BBC documentary showing people having operations cancelled for the 4th and 5th time for people at UHCW
 
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