Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (33 Viewers)

[Sky Blue Pete]

My main issue is the laissez-faire approach we're taking. To an extent, want to do things that just affect you and other consenting adults? Knock yourself out. It's when it affects others as well... and it seems mental to me that we haven't at least taken measures to flatten a curve, and maximise the chances of no lockdown. Government advice is still to wear masks, meet outdoors if possible etc... but they won't compel the masks. When it comes to trains, shops etc it's not exactly an infringement on liberties or fun to wear them, and it's a bit of a bummer if you're vulnerable / worried to have others inflicting a, maybe not unsurprising, attitude of not wearing masks. As somebody mentioned, some think it's over, they don't need to worry... and government is heavily responsible for that.

Mrs. Wisdom for example, is now going back to her office, via trains and public crowded spaces including heavily socialising teenagers and early 20s, not because she needs to for her job, but because they want to give the impression of normality... and that's stupid.

At least let her make the choice whether she's comfortable in such environments.

Look at the Tory mps in parliament.

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

They need to drop the rule on making schoolchildren isolate. Their education has suffered enough this year and a half

 

[hill83]

They need to drop the rule on making schoolchildren isolate. Their education has suffered enough this year and a half

Isolate under which circumstances? Because at my sons school 3 people have had Covid in his class and the guidance for the rest of the class was to get tested and keep coming back in.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Isolate under which circumstances? Because at my sons school 3 people have had Covid in his class and the guidance for the rest of the class was to get tested and keep coming back in.

Might be different for your lad but 'close contacts' for our school are only being allowed back in with negative PCRs

 

[hill83]

Yeah sounds like different rules then. I’ve not been keeping up with any of it lately if I’m honest so not sure if there’s specific rules to follow or not. Seems like there isn’t.

They recommend a PCR test but allow the lateral flow one. And I’m pretty sure they don’t even check anyway.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Yeah sounds like different rules then. I’ve not been keeping up with any of it lately if I’m honest so not sure if there’s specific rules to follow or not. Seems like there isn’t.

They recommend a PCR test but allow the lateral flow one. And I’m pretty sure they don’t even check anyway.

In a primary school I guess they can be more relaxed on that as he'll be in the same class for most of the day. At secondary there'll be a lot more mixing between year groups and classes.

Have had quite a few lessons already where half the class has joined from home and the other half are in the room, the lessons just don't work.

 

[skybluetony176]

The NHS are calling for the return of face masks now. Not surprised.

 

[fernandopartridge]

So 7,088 in hospital on Oct 14

France has more as one example doesn’t it?

France has got more than 2.5 times the number of hospital beds than the UK despite having a pretty similar population.

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

Have had quite a few lessons already where half the class has joined from home and the other half are in the room, the lessons just don't work.

I know that atleast one of the Universities up here are still making entire tutor groups learn remotely if any members of the group test positive.

Apparently they don't have the facilites (lacking the gumption & motivation more like) to offer both options simultaneously.......i know i'd be fuming if, after being completely ripped off over the last 18 months, that face to face learning was still binned off everytime one student in the group got a +'ve test.

These Unis are really pushing their luck.

 

[Sbarcher]

Never mind Covid, let's invite 25,000 from all corners of the world to Glasgow for the COP jamboree and make sure everyone gets a good dose.

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

The NHS are calling for the return of face masks now. Not surprised.

I caught a bit of Adam Finn from the JCVI on the news this morning just reiterating the point @NorthernWisdom has made that even if its not mandatory, there should have been a concerted effort to keep them as a recommendation as a minimum......

....We look set to repeat the errors of last winter.....leaving the simple, cheap & easy options to limit the spread way too late....

 

[Evo1883]

Isolate under which circumstances? Because at my sons school 3 people have had Covid in his class and the guidance for the rest of the class was to get tested and keep coming back in.

My daughters school her class just carried on as they are under 18 .
They aren't isolating classes etc anymore

 

[Kieranp96]

I aint wearing a facemask again, I went through 14 months of wearing one every single day at work fuxk tht.

 

[Evo1883]

I aint wearing a facemask again, I went through 14 months of wearing one every single day at work fuxk tht.

Problem is if they are mandatory you won't have a choice mate

 

[Kieranp96]

Problem is if they are mandatory you won't have a choice mate

Yes but they wont go mandatory again if yiu haven't realised countrys around the world are finally learning to just deal with it, I. E. Scandinavia aswell as many other countrys ,

 

[Evo1883]

Yes but they wont go mandatory again if yiu haven't realised countrys around the world are finally learning to just deal with it, I. E. Scandinavia aswell as many other countrys ,

Il be honest I don't know too much about what other countries are doing so cant really comment

 

[Kieranp96]

Il be honest I don't know too much about what other countries are doing so cant really comment

Sweden, denmark and norway all said its time to get back to normal, USA said something similar prior to this delta wave but look set to keep the reopening going, allow ing vaccinated people in from Europe

 

[Skybluefaz]

Bit of synergy there.

 

[NorthernWisdom]

I aint wearing a facemask again

I hope you don't get the same train as Mrs Wisdom then.

 

[chiefdave]

Yes but they wont go mandatory again if yiu haven't realised countrys around the world are finally learning to just deal with it, I. E. Scandinavia aswell as many other countrys ,

Haven't the Scandinavian countries only removed restrictions recently having got their numbers for hospitalisations and deaths down to a fraction of what ours currently are?

Living with it doesn't mean just letting the numbers continually increase and doing absolutely nothing to mitigate the increase. There seems to be this really odd lockdown or zero mitigations binary choice presented in this country when the reality is the vast majority of countries are keeping basic mitigations in place, vaccine checks and mask wearing, in an attempt to stop numbers rising.

We've got expert after expert talking about how bad its going to get this winter yet we're doing nothing. We've been down this road before and it hasn't ended well.

 

[David O'Day]

Haven't the Scandinavian countries only removed restrictions recently having got their numbers for hospitalisations and deaths down to a fraction of what ours currently are?

yes

 

[chiefdave]

 

[skybluetony176]

I caught a bit of Adam Finn from the JCVI on the news this morning just reiterating the point @NorthernWisdom has made that even if its not mandatory, there should have been a concerted effort to keep them as a recommendation as a minimum......

....We look set to repeat the errors of last winter.....leaving the simple, cheap & easy options to limit the spread way too late....

2 week half term as a circuit breaker was suggested at this point last year also. Again it looks like we aren’t going to follow the science and as you say make all the same mistakes again.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It's going to be here every winter. People are going to catch it every winter. The answer is to mass vaccinate those more at risk and not to keep robbing people of opportunities to spend time with people they care about.

Case in point the COVID rules made us postpone our wedding by a week, my gran died in the intervening week. Many other examples too.

 

[Kieranp96]

I hope you don't get the same train as Mrs Wisdom then.

I mean in everyday life, I will wear it in train, planes and airport ect, but where im not required I wont be wearing one out in the street like some morons do, or in my car

 

[Kieranp96]

Haven't the Scandinavian countries only removed restrictions recently having got their numbers for hospitalisations and deaths down to a fraction of what ours currently are?

Living with it doesn't mean just letting the numbers continually increase and doing absolutely nothing to mitigate the increase. There seems to be this really odd lockdown or zero mitigations binary choice presented in this country when the reality is the vast majority of countries are keeping basic mitigations in place, vaccine checks and mask wearing, in an attempt to stop numbers rising.

We've got expert after expert talking about how bad its going to get this winter yet we're doing nothing. We've been down this road before and it hasn't ended well.

There numbers are still up, wtf you talking about

 

[Grendel]

It's going to be here every winter. People are going to catch it every winter. The answer is to mass vaccinate those more at risk and not to keep robbing people of opportunities to spend time with people they care about.

Case in point the COVID rules made us postpone our wedding by a week, my gran died in the intervening week. Many other examples too.

This is correct you can’t exist with restrictions every year. It’s just not viable

 

[NorthernWisdom]

I mean in everyday life, I will wear it in train, planes and airport ect, but where im not required I wont be wearing one out in the street like some morons do, or in my car

I don't think anybody's asking you to wear it out in the street, or in your car.

 

[NorthernWisdom]

This is correct you can’t exist with restrictions every year. It’s just not viable

There won't be though, nothing lasts forever.

For a start, it will inevitably weaken at some stage. Secondly, there will inevitably be increased immunity. Thirdly, improved medicines (antivirals, better understanding meaning more effective drugs coming online) will help things.

 

[David O'Day]

The issue is we are once again sleep walking into another disaster when we don't have to.

No one is saying lockdowns and etc every year but it's quite sensible to look at what needs to be done when the governments firewall at against the virus has failed.

 

[Skybluefaz]

The issue is we are once again sleep walking into another disaster when we don't have to.

No one is saying lockdowns and etc every year but it's quite sensible to look at what needs to be done when the governments firewall at against the virus has failed.

That report that said they'd been too late to everything was literally released, what, a week ago? Be criminal to do the same now.

 

[chiefdave]

There numbers are still up, wtf you talking about

Denmark ended restrictions on 10th September, Norway 26th September and Sweden 29th September. Compare their numbers on those dates to 'freedom day', 19th July. They have removed their restrictions when they have things under control to a much greater extent than we did and if and when their hospitalisations and deaths rise significantly they will have to decide what, if any, measures return.





Nobody is saying go back into lockdown, cancel weddings, not go to the pub, not visit family, games back BCD or anything like that. It is just being suggested that we bring in basic mitigations before its too late, these are things that were going to be in place on 'freedom day' until for some reason, yet to be explained afaik, they were scrapped at the last minute.

As Faz said we're literally a week on from a report saying we took action too late and ignored the experts and if we're not careful we'll do the same again.

Covid: Bring back rules amid rising cases, urge NHS chiefs

But the business secretary says it is not time for "Plan B" and he wants to avoid further lockdowns.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

There won't be though, nothing lasts forever.

For a start, it will inevitably weaken at some stage. Secondly, there will inevitably be increased immunity. Thirdly, improved medicines (antivirals, better understanding meaning more effective drugs coming online) will help things.

Flu is still with us and can kill a 5 figure number of people even with booster jabs given every year. This virus will be the same thanks to you being infectious before symptoms arise. It's hard for me not to feel resentful about the idea of going back to banning people meeting indoors or going to visit friends and family.

The elderly relatives on the Mrs' side have all said they'd rather make the most of their time with children and grandchildren than spend it locked away, and I'm sure they aren't alone feeling like that. If the state fails in getting everybody vaccinated yes go after them for it, but if they achieve that then that is their duty of care fulfilled

 

[COV]

Flu is still with us and can kill a 5 figure number of people even with booster jabs given every year. This virus will be the same thanks to you being infectious before symptoms arise. It's hard for me not to feel resentful about the idea of going back to banning people meeting indoors or going to visit friends and family.

The elderly relatives on the Mrs' side have all said they'd rather make the most of their time with children and grandchildren than spend it locked away, and I'm sure they aren't alone feeling like that. If the state fails in getting everybody vaccinated yes go after them for it, but if they achieve that then that is their duty of care fulfilled

So would you have compulsory vaccinations?

 

[clint van damme]

Yes but they wont go mandatory again if yiu haven't realised countrys around the world are finally learning to just deal with it, I. E. Scandinavia aswell as many other countrys ,

Scandinavian countries are recording double figure cases per 100k, we're at over 400.

To try and put us in the same boat as them doesn't make sense
. We recorded our highest deaths for 7 months yesterday, do you think Scandanavian countries would allow that to happen without taking some measures?