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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 24, 2021
  • #51,871
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
As I said, it is down to information really, and the fact that we are still in the early stages. It is unique this pandemic and the vaccine is new.

I follow your school of thought and I would assume that is correct, it seems what G posted is along those lines at least.

I think more to the point - why do I have to go on a CCFC forum to try and get that information. If this information is correct then it needs to be put out there. It will really help with the uptake in those people who are in the age ranges were the vaccine and pandemic doesn't particularly affect them otherwise.
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It is out there and it’s in the peer reviewed literature if you want to dig into it.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 24, 2021
  • #51,872
Bello said:
So, NONE of you have any questions regarding the safety of the vaccines then? Everything's hunky dory?
Okay.

Enjoy the game tonight.
PUSB
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I know of someone who suffered a serious medical condition recently which has been attributed to the vacinne and there is a poster on here who suffered issue which were attributed it so its not risk free.

However, the risks are very small compared to catching covid, I know of plenty who have died or who are suffering from long covid.

The stats convincingly stack up in favour of getting the jab.
 

Skybluefaz

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 25, 2021
  • #51,873
Friend of a friend lost her husband to covid this week. He didn't get the vaccine. Leaving a family behind. Can't tell you his exact age but would be in his early forties.
 
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wingy

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  • Sep 26, 2021
  • #51,874
Just discovered one of the Canley lads I hung around with way back has gone to this over the weekend.
Lively boy was Jimmy.
Obviously a sky-blue.
 
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Saddlebrains

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 28, 2021
  • #51,875
Didnt think this would still be going. As it is, question.

Anyone eligible for jab 3, are you doing it?

As it stands for me, i wont. On the basis of

A) Its the same jab I've had 2 of. If it was this modified jab to protect more from the delta variant then maybe, but why do i need 3 of the same jab within 9 months? If I'm not protected enough by 2 then you've got to ask really whats the fucking point surely?

B) strangely, i know of 3 people who have been double jabbed and have recently been ill as fuck with COVID,not hospitalised but bedridden for a week. Yet the other 2 i know who caught it that hadnt been jabbed, had nothing more than a sniffle and snore throat for 2 or 3 days.

Im snookered as to what apparent benefit there is. Am i a moron?
 

hill83

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 28, 2021
  • #51,876
For me once I've had 2 I always fancy a couple more, so I'll be having the 3rd jab for certain.
 
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Saddlebrains

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 28, 2021
  • #51,877
hill83 said:
For me once I've had 2 I always fancy a couple more, so I'll be having the 3rd jab for certain.
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Same go for wanks?
 
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hill83

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 28, 2021
  • #51,878
Joking aside though it's luck of the draw how badly catching it affects you, and everything points towards getting jabbed increases that luck. So if they say get a third, might as well get a third.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 28, 2021
  • #51,879
Saddlebrains said:
Didnt think this would still be going. As it is, question.

Anyone eligible for jab 3, are you doing it?

As it stands for me, i wont. On the basis of

A) Its the same jab I've had 2 of. If it was this modified jab to protect more from the delta variant then maybe, but why do i need 3 of the same jab within 9 months? If I'm not protected enough by 2 then you've got to ask really whats the fucking point surely?

B) strangely, i know of 3 people who have been double jabbed and have recently been ill as fuck with COVID,not hospitalised but bedridden for a week. Yet the other 2 i know who caught it that hadnt been jabbed, had nothing more than a sniffle and snore throat for 2 or 3 days.

Im snookered as to what apparent benefit there is. Am i a moron?
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I will have a booster jab without question
 
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Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 28, 2021
  • #51,880
Saddlebrains said:
Didnt think this would still be going. As it is, question.

Anyone eligible for jab 3, are you doing it?

As it stands for me, i wont. On the basis of

A) Its the same jab I've had 2 of. If it was this modified jab to protect more from the delta variant then maybe, but why do i need 3 of the same jab within 9 months? If I'm not protected enough by 2 then you've got to ask really whats the fucking point surely?

B) strangely, i know of 3 people who have been double jabbed and have recently been ill as fuck with COVID,not hospitalised but bedridden for a week. Yet the other 2 i know who caught it that hadnt been jabbed, had nothing more than a sniffle and snore throat for 2 or 3 days.

Im snookered as to what apparent benefit there is. Am i a moron?
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Absolutely not!!! It’s called something in science where your personal experience is outside of the facts presented more widely. That’s not moronic. A moron decides based on 4 examples to ignore the facts and posts moronic posts claiming those public health experts who live their lives to improve public health have an ulterior motive
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Sep 28, 2021
  • #51,881
Saddlebrains said:
but why do i need 3 of the same jab within 9 months?
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It's to top up your immune system. The vaccine will naturally wane in its effectiveness. That won't be instant, so if you don't hit up a third jab straight away, it won't be much of an issue, but there will be a time when it doesn't really have any effect.

Much like the flu jab, that's administered annually.
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 28, 2021
  • #51,882
Deleted member 5849 said:
It's to top up your immune system. The vaccine will naturally wane in its effectiveness. That won't be instant, so if you don't hit up a third jab straight away, it won't be much of an issue, but there will be a time when it doesn't really have any effect.

Much like the flu jab, that's administered annually.
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Yet the scientific who developed AZ and Pascal Soirot said that they thought it unnecessary after the antibody study.
Think there is some data suggesting mixing AZ and Pfizer.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 28, 2021
  • #51,883
Saddlebrains said:
Didnt think this would still be going. As it is, question.

Anyone eligible for jab 3, are you doing it?

As it stands for me, i wont. On the basis of

A) Its the same jab I've had 2 of. If it was this modified jab to protect more from the delta variant then maybe, but why do i need 3 of the same jab within 9 months? If I'm not protected enough by 2 then you've got to ask really whats the fucking point surely?

B) strangely, i know of 3 people who have been double jabbed and have recently been ill as fuck with COVID,not hospitalised but bedridden for a week. Yet the other 2 i know who caught it that hadnt been jabbed, had nothing more than a sniffle and snore throat for 2 or 3 days.

Im snookered as to what apparent benefit there is. Am i a moron?
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I thought the booster is a different jab to what you had the first time? All the vaccines work slightly different from each other so it’s not just increasing the quantity of what you already have in your armoury it’s about increasing the amount of tools in your armoury.

I think we all know people who have caught it after being vaccinated, I actually know someone who just caught it for the second time having caught it right at the start and have since been double jabbed. Shit happens and like all vaccines none of them have guaranteed 100% efficacy and some people’s immune systems don’t hold on the cells from the vaccine as well as others. The latter being reason enough to get the booster.

There’s also the seatbelt analogy. Just because people are getting injured or killed while wearing a seatbelt in a car crash it doesn’t mean seatbelts don’t work. The fact is only about 10% of the population aren’t seatbelt compliant but the account for about a third of all RTA deaths. Same principle for the vaccine. The majority of the adult population is now vaccinated so it stands to reason that the majority of people catching it are vaccinated. I haven’t seen the data but I’d be willing to bet that the majority of people getting seriously ill or dying are unvaccinated.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Sep 28, 2021
  • #51,884
wingy said:
Yet the scientific who developed AZ and Pascal Soirot said that they thought it unnecessary after the antibody study.
Think there is some data suggesting mixing AZ and Pfizer.
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Well... AZ's position was they wanted to hold off, to gather data as to when and if, exactly, a booster would be needed, as we don't have any data on that as it hasn't been tested in the real world.

It's not unreasonable, tbf. Politically, that's a tough sell however, as whenever you get the data, by definition you're late!
 

Saddlebrains

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 28, 2021
  • #51,885
Deleted member 5849 said:
It's to top up your immune system. The vaccine will naturally wane in its effectiveness. That won't be instant, so if you don't hit up a third jab straight away, it won't be much of an issue, but there will be a time when it doesn't really have any effect.

Much like the flu jab, that's administered annually.
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Fair shout. Im due the flu jab, will take that one, earliest I'd be eligible for jab 3 would be end of Nov start of Dec so spose il see the lay of the land then and how we are
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Sep 28, 2021
  • #51,886
Saddlebrains said:
Fair shout. Im due the flu jab, will take that one, earliest I'd be eligible for jab 3 would be end of Nov start of Dec so spose il see the lay of the land then and how we are
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I'm back in the position I was June time of being in limbo land where I've enough wrong with me to concern, but not enough to be on the list for a booster. Not worried this year tbh, as *my* vaccine will take me into spring easy enough, but I'd quite like to know what their long term plan is before it becomes an issue for me
 
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LastGarrison

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 28, 2021
  • #51,887
My Old Man got a phone call today and his booster jab is booked for Saturday afternoon. He had Pfizer previously as well back in Feb.

Randomly is happy to have this but won’t have the flu jab. Which is annoying.
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 29, 2021
  • #51,888
wingy said:
Yet the scientific who developed AZ and Pascal Soirot said that they thought it unnecessary after the antibody study.
Think there is some data suggesting mixing AZ and Pfizer.
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See now I've had 2 x AZ, but I'll be honest....I've currently got a few reservations about getting either of the RNA type vaccines purely cos they're a new technology.....

...think I'd prefer the choice of a 3rd AZ top up if deemed necessary & when the time comes......


EDIT: I should add that if the pfizer/moderna was the only option back before I'd had any jabs, I'd be rolling my sleeve up....
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Sep 30, 2021
  • #51,889
Had a conservation with a colleague today whose daughter (age My colleague was saying that she "couldn't hug" her daughter who was upset about the +ve test and was isolating her in a spare room, with the daughter eating separately etc.

Anyone else find this reaction rather over the top?
 
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wingy

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  • Sep 30, 2021
  • #51,890
fernandopartridge said:
Had a conservation with a colleague today whose daughter (age My colleague was saying that she "couldn't hug" her daughter who was upset about the +ve test and was isolating her in a spare room, with the daughter eating separately etc.

Anyone else find this reaction rather over the top?
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Not especially.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 30, 2021
  • #51,891
fernandopartridge said:
Had a conservation with a colleague today whose daughter (age My colleague was saying that she "couldn't hug" her daughter who was upset about the +ve test and was isolating her in a spare room, with the daughter eating separately etc.

Anyone else find this reaction rather over the top?
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Isn't that what you're supposed to do?
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Sep 30, 2021
  • #51,892
fernandopartridge said:
Had a conservation with a colleague today whose daughter (age My colleague was saying that she "couldn't hug" her daughter who was upset about the +ve test and was isolating her in a spare room, with the daughter eating separately etc.

Anyone else find this reaction rather over the top?
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Not at all
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Sep 30, 2021
  • #51,893
chiefdave said:
Isn't that what you're supposed to do?
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No, it isn't normal to isolate a child within your own household. There is no law that tells you to lock them away in a bedroom.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Sep 30, 2021
  • #51,894
If one of my children was ill with covid I wouldn't lock them away in a spare room making them eat separately and treating them like a leper whilst I was fully vaccinated and a full time home worker.
 
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Grendel

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  • Sep 30, 2021
  • #51,895
fernandopartridge said:
If one of my children was ill with covid I wouldn't lock them away in a spare room making them eat separately and treating them like a leper whilst I was fully vaccinated and a full time home worker.
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Nor would any normal parent
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Sep 30, 2021
  • #51,896
fernandopartridge said:
If one of my children was ill with covid I wouldn't lock them away in a spare room making them eat separately and treating them like a leper whilst I was fully vaccinated and a full time home worker.
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I thought the daughter was your age from what you had written!
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Sep 30, 2021
  • #51,897
How old is the kid?

Mine is 12 and no, I wouldn't lock her away.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 30, 2021
  • #51,898
Deleted member 9744 said:
I thought the daughter was your age from what you had written!
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Not sure what happened there but it was supposed to say age <10 but somehow came out as 'My'.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 30, 2021
  • #51,899
My ex quarantined our 11 year old in her room. The 11 year old loved it. I wasn’t sure but I never an with my ex. Luckily I’ve not had to make the choice as whenever she’s been isolating with me I have been too.
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Oct 1, 2021
  • #51,900
Lockdowns not all bad news then:

Pub chain Wetherspoon reports record loss

The pub chain saw its sites closed for about 19 weeks under coronavirus-related restrictions.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 1, 2021
  • #51,901
Meanwhile... antivirals on their way!

*This* is the path to true freedom.

 
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jimmyhillsfanclub

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 1, 2021
  • #51,902
Pills were always gonna save the world man....

1st time I did it for the hell of it, stuck it on the back of my tongue & then swallowed it...
 
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chiefdave

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  • Oct 1, 2021
  • #51,903
Deleted member 5849 said:
Meanwhile... antivirals on their way!

*This* is the path to true freedom.

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Read earlier in the week that there's 3 different anti-virals in trial in the US, assume this is one of them. Brilliant news if those sort of results hold up. With this sort of thing on top of vaccination we are getting to a point where this will be manageable long term.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Oct 1, 2021
  • #51,904
Deleted member 5849 said:
Meanwhile... antivirals on their way!

*This* is the path to true freedom.

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It isn't really, vaccines are. These are the path to reducing deaths but without wide vaccine coverage there is still a risk of significant burden on health systems.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 1, 2021
  • #51,905
fernandopartridge said:
It isn't really, vaccines are. These are the path to reducing deaths but without wide vaccine coverage there is still a risk of significant burden on health systems.
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It's the path to a genuine normality and, dare I say it, treating it like flu. Vunerable get vaccinated every year, and there are drugs that mean catching Covid is far less likely to have an effect on others, and will allow for treating it as we do other viruses.
 
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