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clint van damme

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  • Apr 8, 2021
  • #44,626
ovduk78 said:
I'm not sure that's right. 19 have died from 22 million doses but 3 of those have been under 30 and I doubt if 3 million under 30s have been vaccinated. Looking at the 1st slide JVT showed yesterday in under 30s 0.8 per 100,000 could die from the virus but 1.1 per 100,000 could die from the vaccine. This is surely why under 30s are to be offered an alternative vaccine.
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But the under 30s given the jab so far would be in the vulnerable category and therefore have a higher mortality rate from covid wouldn't they?
 

ovduk78

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 8, 2021
  • #44,627
clint van damme said:
But the under 30s given the jab so far would be in the vulnerable category and therefore have a higher mortality rate from covid wouldn't they?
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Or nurses, carers etc.
 
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 8, 2021
  • #44,628
ovduk78 said:
Or nurses, carers etc.
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Which probably explains why women are more adversely affected as they are more likely to fill those roles
 
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Macca

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 8, 2021
  • #44,629
Great news. The Euro intelligentsia have gone anti vaccine. More for us brain dead slobs
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Apr 8, 2021
  • #44,630
Macca said:
Great news. The Euro intelligentsia have gone anti vaccine. More for us brain dead slobs
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This is the uk though - I’m confused
 

David O'Day

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  • Apr 8, 2021
  • #44,631
Sky Blue Pete said:
This is the uk though - I’m confused
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so is he
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 8, 2021
  • #44,632
Sky Blue Pete said:
This is the uk though - I’m confused
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It’s a non story over blown and many in this “risk” group cannot by their other actions logically worry about a one in a million risk
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 8, 2021
  • #44,633
clint van damme said:
Which probably explains why women are more adversely affected as they are more likely to fill those roles
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Women clot more anyway I think, been some talk of possible issues with the pill and clotting being exacerbated.

The difference is the prevalence of the virus in the community. Those slides I posted explain it. In a low COVID environment the risks of COVID are slightly outweighed just in U30s, but in a medium or high COVID environment (like earlier in the pandemic or in healthcare setting) they don’t. Also the analysis cuts off at 16 weeks and doesn’t account for stuff like long COVID.

It’s very unlikely the real world risks outweigh the benefits in any but a few specific scenarios, that’s why it’s only a recommendation to use something else if available and not stopping it all together for that group.
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 8, 2021
  • #44,634
The EU’s official response continues to be support the vaccine

EU drug regulator: Unusual blood clot is 'very rare AstraZeneca side effect'

The EU's medicines regulator finds the benefits of the Covid-19 vaccine outweigh the risks.
www.bbc.co.uk
 

Marty

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  • Apr 8, 2021
  • #44,635
Awful nights sleep, fever/chills, muscles cramping, chest pains, woke up and feel even worse today, add to the list, fatigue, ache, pain in legs, nausea. In a right state, hopefully be back to normal by the weekend.
 

hill83

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 8, 2021
  • #44,636
Marty said:
Awful nights sleep, fever/chills, muscles cramping, chest pains, woke up and feel even worse today, add to the list, fatigue, ache, pain in legs, nausea. In a right state, hopefully be back to normal by the weekend.
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Have you spoken to a doctor about it? Chest pain at any time regardless of the vaccine needs to be checked.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 8, 2021
  • #44,637
hill83 said:
Have you spoken to a doctor about it? Chest pain at any time regardless of the vaccine needs to be checked.
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yeah that doesn't sound like a normal side effect
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 8, 2021
  • #44,638
No one comes out of this looking good to be fair


 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 8, 2021
  • #44,639
PVA said:
No one comes out of this looking good to be fair


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We haven’t restricted its use for any age groups. We’ve recommended other vaccines if possible, not the same thing. And again, age profiles and level of COVID are different on the continent. It’s chalk and cheese.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 8, 2021
  • #44,640
The reporting on this is so reckless and pretty infuriating
 
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PVA

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  • Apr 8, 2021
  • #44,641
shmmeee said:
We haven’t restricted its use for any age groups. We’ve recommended other vaccines if possible, not the same thing. And again, age profiles and level of COVID are different on the continent. It’s chalk and cheese.
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I agree, but this latest development just shows that the blood clot issue wasn't some anti UK plot by the evil EU mafia as some pointed out. They had genuine concerns about the safety of it. Did they go the wrong way about it? Absolutely. But they had real concerns and not just an agenda.

But as I say, no one comes out of it very well.

Also, notice how the government has dropped the 'Oxford' part and now only refers to it as AZ.
 

shmmeee

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  • Apr 8, 2021
  • #44,642
PVA said:
I agree, but this latest development just shows that the blood clot issue wasn't some anti UK plot by the evil EU mafia as some pointed out. They had genuine concerns about the safety of it. Did they go the wrong way about it? Absolutely. But they had real concerns and not just an agenda.

But as I say, no one comes out of it very well.

Also, notice how the government has dropped the 'Oxford' part and now only refers to it as AZ.
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Oh I don’t think it’s a conspiracy, just bloody stupid.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Apr 8, 2021
  • #44,643
PVA said:
Also, notice how the government has dropped the 'Oxford' part and now only refers to it as AZ.
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Just me who keeps thinking of this lot?

Home

www.az.nl
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 8, 2021
  • #44,644
Looks like Australia are doing the same and recommending under 50s don't have the Astra Zeneca vaccine.

Pfizer recommended for adults under age of 50

www.9news.com.au
 

clint van damme

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  • Apr 8, 2021
  • #44,645
Marty said:
Awful nights sleep, fever/chills, muscles cramping, chest pains, woke up and feel even worse today, add to the list, fatigue, ache, pain in legs, nausea. In a right state, hopefully be back to normal by the weekend.
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My missus was the same. Lasted about 2 days. You should be OK by Saturday latest
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 8, 2021
  • #44,646
PVA said:
I agree, but this latest development just shows that the blood clot issue wasn't some anti UK plot by the evil EU mafia as some pointed out. They had genuine concerns about the safety of it. Did they go the wrong way about it? Absolutely. But they had real concerns and not just an agenda.

But as I say, no one comes out of it very well.

Also, notice how the government has dropped the 'Oxford' part and now only refers to it as AZ.
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The mental gymnastics of some of the floofs who were attacking the EU is gold, pure fucking gold.
 

David O'Day

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  • Apr 8, 2021
  • #44,647
Wonder why Doncaster, Wakefield and Corby still have 3 figure per 100k case rates?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 8, 2021
  • #44,648
PVA said:
I agree, but this latest development just shows that the blood clot issue wasn't some anti UK plot by the evil EU mafia as some pointed out. They had genuine concerns about the safety of it. Did they go the wrong way about it? Absolutely. But they had real concerns and not just an agenda.

But as I say, no one comes out of it very well.

Also, notice how the government has dropped the 'Oxford' part and now only refers to it as AZ.
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There isn't a conspiracy afoot but there is an appalling lack of scientific and statistical understanding that's been ongoing since January. Case in point being VDL demanding that AZ ensure 'predictability in their supply' when primary manufacture of pharmaceuticals has always been variable. All the latest events have done is frighten those under 30s who've had the jab for no good reason.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 8, 2021
  • #44,649
David O'Day said:
Wonder why Doncaster, Wakefield and Corby still have 3 figure per 100k case rates?
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Lowest death rate in Europe at present.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 8, 2021
  • #44,650
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
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Lowest death rate in Europe at present.
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What does that have to do with the question which is why do these 3 areas of England have seemingly massive outliers in cases?

Why would you post a graph that shows different information? Who was talking about deaths or even national figures?

Weird
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Apr 8, 2021
  • #44,651
David O'Day said:
What does that have to do with the question which is why do these 3 areas of England have seemingly massive outliers in cases?

Why would you post a graph that shows different information? Who was talking about deaths or even national figures?

Weird
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Because you are looking to try and constantly put a foot down on the UK, or any mention of positivity in this country.

I'm simply pointing out that we are going in the right direction.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Apr 8, 2021
  • #44,652
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Because you are looking to try and constantly put a foot down on the UK, or any mention of positivity in this country.

I'm simply pointing out that we are going in the right direction.
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No you are being a cock as per usual.

You are simply pointing out you didn't understand the question.

You do realise you can ask questions about certain areas seem to be outliers and not be "putting the country down"

You are weird
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 8, 2021
  • #44,653
David O'Day said:
Wonder why Doncaster, Wakefield and Corby still have 3 figure per 100k case rates?
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Two of them have prisons
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 8, 2021
  • #44,654
fernandopartridge said:
Two of them have prisons
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I don't think that's it, there is a slight bleed out into surrounding towns
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 8, 2021
  • #44,655
David O'Day said:
I don't think that's it, there is a slight bleed out into surrounding towns
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Perhaps a local transmission from schools as happened in Angelsey
 
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wingy

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  • Apr 8, 2021
  • #44,656
fernandopartridge said:
Two of them have prisons
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Decent shout.
I was wondering something industry related, food production maybe.
 
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chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 8, 2021
  • #44,657
David O'Day said:
I don't think that's it, there is a slight bleed out into surrounding towns
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If its in the prisons could that be explained by staff who live nearby?
 

Ian1779

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  • Apr 8, 2021
  • #44,658
David O'Day said:
Wonder why Doncaster, Wakefield and Corby still have 3 figure per 100k case rates?
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The locals around Corby are suggesting it’s due to a high prevalence of factories and distribution centres in the area.
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 8, 2021
  • #44,659
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
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Lowest death rate in Europe at present.
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Great. Now post a graph of total deaths or deaths per population.

We might be doing well now but that does not excuse the travesty that came before
 

David O'Day

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  • Apr 8, 2021
  • #44,660
Ian1779 said:
The locals around Corby are suggesting it’s due to a high prevalence of factories and distribution centres in the area.
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Maybe but it doesn't seem to be replicated in other areas with similar.

Just think it's interesting to know what maybe causing this as we prepare to start to reduce virus suppression measures.
 
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