Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics)

Brylowes

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Did Chris Witty just say you would have to be completely confident in the safety of the vaccines to consider giving it to children as their chances of ill effects from Covid19 are so low, whereas in adults the chances of getting and suffering with Covid19 are much higher.
Not sure he’s said the right thing there.
 
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Did Chris Witty just say you would have to be completely confident in the safety of the vaccines to consider giving it to children as their chances of ill effects from Covid19 are so low, whereas in adults the chances of getting and suffering with Covid19 are much higher.
Not sure he’s said the right thing there.
If it's so low FFS let us return classrooms to normal
 

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Did Chris Witty just say you would have to be completely confident in the safety of the vaccines to consider giving it to children as their chances of ill effects from Covid19 are so low, whereas in adults the chances of getting and suffering with Covid19 are much higher.
Not sure he’s said the right thing there.
Makes sense
 

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So is he saying that vaccines aren’t completely safe in adults,
I think he’s saying that they’re not approved for children as testing on children wasn’t a priority given that they’re less susceptible to the effects of Covid so at the moment the focus remains on adults being vaccinated.
 

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Just saw this on my timeline. Should be some good data on the impact of opening up in the next few weeks! Are there any studies that have looked at states in the US that have opened everything up with very little in the way of restrictions and how they compare to states that have remained locked down?

 

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Just saw this on my timeline. Should be some good data on the impact of opening up in the next few weeks! Are there any studies that have looked at states in the US that have opened everything up with very little in the way of restrictions and how they compare to states that have remained locked down?

Wow, Texas is in no position to be allowing that.
 

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Bottom of article suggests still on track (to hit original deadlines) and it was one of a couple of scenarios, so finger crossed. Surprised numbers have dropped that low though, I thought AZ were knocking out around 2m per week, plus Pfizer and now Moderna coming on stream. J&J might be around in July as well.
I was also thinking Novavax is already in production and just waiting for final approval. Feels like a kick in the balls seeing headlines like that though.
 

CCFCSteve

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I was also thinking Novavax is already in production and just waiting for final approval. Feels like a kick in the balls seeing headlines like that though.
Yeah, I know what you mean. Hopefully they’re holding off some of the ‘good vaccine news’ until it’s 100% certain.
 

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Just had my first vaccine, didn't even feel it go in but arm is feeling heavy and tender already.
 
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Just to share a frustration really, but last week not long after I got home from work, I received a whatsapp telling me they were giving away the pfizer jab at the local mosque on a 1st come 1st served basis to use up surplus supply......it was until 6pm or when they ran out...whichever came first.

As it was already 6pm by the time I got the message, and I'd just got out of the shower & had yet to eat my tea, I didn't bother based upon the suspicion it would be a wasted journey.......turns out the cut off was about 6.30pm so it probably would have been....

Now, the good selfless me is just pleased that the vaccine was not wasted......However the self-centred me is pissed off that this ad-hoc free-for-all was basically just allowed to leak out via NHS workers private whatsapp groups, which started at 2.00pm when they realised most of the demographic booked in were going to be no-shows.....and resulted in a huge queue of people around the block being disgruntled at being turned away.....

Anyway.....thats my morning moan out of the way.
 

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That's a 6.2m shortfall in doses, 33.5m vs 39.7m

31.4m first doses as of 1st April, 4.96m second doses

Of the 33.5m by the end of July, assuming the 12 week dosage interval, 25.5m people will be due a second dose. That means that there are only 8m left over to deliver as first doses which might just cover the over 40s.

As with everything else in the pandemic, younger people are disproportionately affected. Staff going back to work in pubs and restaurants unvaccinated and entirely unrepresented by political parties,
 
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That's a 6.2m shortfall in doses, 33.5m vs 39.7m

31.4m first doses as of 1st April, 4.96m second doses

Of the 33.5m by the end of July, assuming the 12 week dosage interval, 25.5m people will be due a second dose. That means that there are only 8m left over to deliver as first doses which might just cover the over 40s.

As with everything else in the pandemic, younger people are disproportionately affected. Staff going back to work in pubs and restaurants unvaccinated and entirely unrepresented by political parties,
Well that’s how it works when the party of the over 50s keeps getting in and the party of the under 50s is headed by a wet lettuce. We really need Moderna to arrive on time and for Novavax especially to hurry up and get approval.
 

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That's a 6.2m shortfall in doses, 33.5m vs 39.7m

31.4m first doses as of 1st April, 4.96m second doses

Of the 33.5m by the end of July, assuming the 12 week dosage interval, 25.5m people will be due a second dose. That means that there are only 8m left over to deliver as first doses which might just cover the over 40s.

As with everything else in the pandemic, younger people are disproportionately affected. Staff going back to work in pubs and restaurants unvaccinated and entirely unrepresented by political parties,
I think that’s a slight over exaggeration Fernando. The shortfall is obviously not good news, however, the oldest and higher risk receiving the jab first appears to have been the right option ie protect those most at risk of hospitalisation/death. This already appears to be having a material affect on these most important numbers

The current shortfall is down to unforeseen circumstances and there is still a question mark for many youngsters (understandably) whether they actually want to take the vaccine or not....although I feel they are going to be forced into it ! I’m sure a far higher proportion just want to get back to some kind of normality, vaccine or not, after having their lives disproportionately affected by a virus which appears to have a far lesser impact on the young.

Finally, they are still going to get the vaccine and hopefully pretty quickly once the new vaccines come on stream, so are looking at a possible short delay over the summer months when hopefully transmission rates are low. Fingers crossed anyway
 

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Well that’s how it works when the party of the over 50s keeps getting in and the party of the under 50s is headed by a wet lettuce. We really need Moderna to arrive on time and for Novavax especially to hurry up and get approval.
hopefully the J&J one jab vaccine will be available by mid summer as well
 

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Bit of a difference between recommending another brand for U30s and pulling it all together.
Not really, pulling it so they can look at the side effects is not the same as you seem to be claiming.
 

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Not really, pulling it so they can look at the side effects is not the same as you seem to be claiming.
Look at the slides. It’s only just worth it for U30s in the U.K. because of our low numbers. If we had Europe’s cases it makes no sense at all.

Nothing to do with the EU, but the decisions made to halt usage of AZ on vulnerable populations while cases were still high is bordering on criminal. Nothing MHRA have said today changes that.
 

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Not really, pulling it so they can look at the side effects is not the same as you seem to be claiming.
It seems more a case of the risk from COVID being so low to this age group that a vaccine with x % of side effects isn't worth it. Though being honest by the time we reach 18-29 we'll probably be on to Novavax for them anyway. Let's keep it in perspective, we're talking a few dozen cases out of tens of millions of injections.