Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics)

wingy

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I'm more bothered about the likely impact on possibly vaccinating children TBF.
 

David O'Day

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Interesting piece on the folly of vaccine passports

 

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For anyone interested, a little update, my arm is swollen and has little feeling, feel extremely tired so off for an early night.
 
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There is more risk from the vaccine than Covid in under 30’s
So this is the same Europe which one leader in France said didn’t work and one in Germany said don’t take it if like me you are over 65?

Did they apologise for actual lies?
 
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For anyone interested, a little update, my arm is swollen and has little feeling, feel extremely tired so off for an early night.
My sister and her husband had their first jab a week or so back. He felt fine, she felt like shit for a couple of days. It seems to be a complete lottery who does and who doesn't get a reaction.
 
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I like that they’ve come out and said this it shows logical review of managing risk but it does show other countries were not being irrational to say we don’t know enough yet
 

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My sister and her husband had their first jab a week or so back. He felt fine, she felt like shit for a couple of days. It seems to be a complete lottery who does and who doesn't get a reaction.
I read it was based on how good your immune system is at fighting the virus. The better your immune system the more of a reaction you get from it.*

*could be complete bollocks but not sure if you need that caveat on here to be fair
 
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David O'Day

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I like that they’ve come out and said this it shows logical review of managing risk but it does show other countries were not being irrational to say we don’t know enough yet
Pretty much, some of the clowns on here were saying the whole things was the EU trying to rubbish the AZ vaccine.
 

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I like that they’ve come out and said this it shows logical review of managing risk but it does show other countries were not being irrational to say we don’t know enough yet
The risk is 1 in a million. The Eu response is to try and justify their rather appalling management of the whole programme. Again, did Germany say it was t safe for over 65 and Macron questioning its effectiveness?
 
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I read it was based on how good your immune system is at fighting the virus. The better your immune system the more of a reaction you get from it.*

*could be complete bollocks but not sure if you need that caveat on here to be fair
I know someone who’s had a splenectomy which severely compromises your immune system and they had a right shitty reaction to the jab. Maybe it’s the other way around.
 

skybluetony176

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The risk is 1 in a million. The Eu response is to try and justify their rather appalling management of the whole programme. Again, did Germany say it was t safe for over 65 and Macron questioning its effectiveness?
I know that you don’t like facts to cloud your judgment but here they come. It was 10 countries in the EU who paused the rollout, that’s barely a third of the EU. The EMA which is the regulatory body that controls the regulation of vaccines in the EU only ever advised the continuing use of the vaccine. So given the facts the the “EU response” was actually the opposite of what you’re trying to paint it.
 
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I read it was based on how good your immune system is at fighting the virus. The better your immune system the more of a reaction you get from it.*

*could be complete bollocks but not sure if you need that caveat on here to be fair
It's a bit like the Heaf test you get for the BCG vaccine. The stronger your immune response is the more likely you are to feel something.
 

wingy

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Thought I'd have a read to see how others are doing .




Funny VDL is critical in the article about Russia exporting millions of doses while millions of there own population haven't had a dose, couldn't make it up .
Finally do we think scientifically and objectively it's any good ?
 

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Thought I'd have a read to see how others are doing .




Funny VDL is critical in the article about Russia exporting millions of doses while millions of there own population haven't had a dose, couldn't make it up .
Finally do we think scientifically and objectively it's any good ?
It's a bit unusual in that the second dose is biologically different to the first but the data looks good.
 

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Really? There is potentially more risk from the vaccine than Covid to the u30’s? Is that better? Or there is a risk that potentially? One of them is true
Potentially more risk or more risk? You're moving the goalposts already.

The risk of dying from a vaccine related blood clot is 1 in a million. That is a lower risk than covid.
According to the QCOVID tool, the risk a 30 Yr old with no risk factors dying of covid is 1 in 250k.
 

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Potentially more risk or more risk? You're moving the goalposts already.

The risk of dying from a vaccine related blood clot is 1 in a million. That is a lower risk than covid.
According to the QCOVID tool, the risk a 30 Yr old with no risk factors dying of covid is 1 in 250k.
I'm not sure that's right. 19 have died from 22 million doses but 3 of those have been under 30 and I doubt if 3 million under 30s have been vaccinated. Looking at the 1st slide JVT showed yesterday in under 30s 0.8 per 100,000 could die from the virus but 1.1 per 100,000 could die from the vaccine. This is surely why under 30s are to be offered an alternative vaccine.
 

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I like that they’ve come out and said this it shows logical review of managing risk but it does show other countries were not being irrational to say we don’t know enough yet
I can't agree Pete. Given the numbers of deaths from Covid I think they were displaying a certain amount of irrationality.

Once the other vaccines become as widely used as AZ there may be issues with them but I'd wager the numbers would still be incredibly small.
 

clint van damme

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I'm not sure that's right. 19 have died from 22 million doses but 3 of those have been under 30 and I doubt if 3 million under 30s have been vaccinated. Looking at the 1st slide JVT showed yesterday in under 30s 0.8 per 100,000 could die from the virus but 1.1 per 100,000 could die from the vaccine. This is surely why under 30s are to be offered an alternative vaccine.
But the under 30s given the jab so far would be in the vulnerable category and therefore have a higher mortality rate from covid wouldn't they?