fernandopartridge
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OK, this was a Chinese and you do wonder about how much the blame the Chinese rhetoric sticks.
OK, this was a Chinese and you do wonder about how much the blame the Chinese rhetoric sticks.We had the opposite experience. Went to our local Italian on Thursday. Not usually the busiest of nights, but there wasn't one table free at 6.30pm.
We know the fella that owns our local Indian restaurant, and he's fully booked this weekend.
Admittedly both places have taken some tables away for social distancing reasons, but still, they seem to have reopened ok.
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NahOK, this was a Chinese and you do wonder about how much the blame the Chinese rhetoric sticks.
That is utterly utterly patheticNumber of people tested for coronavirus (England): 30 January to 27 May 2020 - GOV.UK
If anyone is interested in just how many people are actually getting tested per day it's actually quite shocking
Remember saying it was about 50k a day. No mention oh this on the news. The media in this country is patheticWeek 17 : 21/05/20 - 27/05/20 355,167
End of May when they were telling us they were about to be testing 200k people a day they were actually only testing 355k for the whole week
Amazing
Its appalling, no wonder they have stopped saying how many people are tested every day. We were promised 100K people at day tested by the end of April, Week 13 (23 - 29 April) had 179,460 in total, an average of 25,637.Week 17 : 21/05/20 - 27/05/20 355,167
End of May when they were telling us they were about to be testing 200k people a day they were actually only testing 355k for the whole week
Amazing
Week 17 : 21/05/20 - 27/05/20 355,167
End of May when they were telling us they were about to be testing 200k people a day they were actually only testing 355k for the whole week
Amazing
Starmer is given open goal after open goal but is passing it around in the six yard box. You've got to play them at their own game. Use what they said and throw it back at them in the most vulgar way possible imo.They'll get away with it though. They always get away with it. Part of that is a largely compliant media but part is also an opposition that's too scared to put the boot in like it was with the great abstainers of 2015.
Starmer is given open goal after open goal but is passing it around in the six yard box. You've got to play them at their own game. Use what they said and throw it back at them in the most vulgar way possible imo.
Lets hope this doesn't turn out to be a huge mistake as the consequences could be very serious
UK opts out of EU Covid-19 vaccine scheme
It’s OK though as they are ‘electable’ now...They'll get away with it though. They always get away with it. Part of that is a largely compliant media but part is also an opposition that's too scared to put the boot in like it was with the great abstainers of 2015.
Lets hope this doesn't turn out to be a huge mistake as the consequences could be very serious
UK opts out of EU Covid-19 vaccine scheme
It’s OK though as they are ‘electable’ now...
Starmer is showing his legal training. Often doesn't play well in that to do a lot of grandstanding and getting emotive. Of course there's a part of me that want him to really put the boot in on Johnson but it's become which bit do you pick? There's so many things that need to be made the most of PMQ's could last a whole day and you still wouldn't have covered them all.It’s OK though as they are ‘electable’ now...
Starmer is showing his legal training. Often doesn't play well in that to do a lot of grandstanding and getting emotive. Of course there's a part of me that want him to really put the boot in on Johnson but it's become which bit do you pick? There's so many things that need to be made the most of PMQ's could last a whole day and you still wouldn't have covered them all.
Plus Johnson's forte is getting people into emotional exchanges. What he can't handle is calm, rational dissection of his statements and actions. Someone getting worked up he can do his little snide comments and get under someone's skin. When they don't rise to the bait he gets flustered, as we've seen.
Starmer's tactic is more death of a thousand cuts.
Bite the bullet and just merge Labour/Greens/LDs
As much as I think some sort of agreement between them to gain power they can't merge - the differences would tear it apart. Labour already has enough keeping the left and right of their party from self destructing. Add in the more right wing economics of the LD's and the 'woke' social policy of the hardcore left greens and it'll implode.
It's a shame they can't see the benefit of working together and letting some stuff go to ensure they get power like the factions in the Tories do at election time. They don't seem to be able to grasp it's better to have the power to enable 20% of your plans to become reality compared to 0% of your ideal because you don't get elected. You'd never get that much change done is 5 years anyway so focus on the best/most popular bits and concentrate getting them done in office so you get another term then you can go onto the next lot. Far better chance of hitting the bullseye each time by firing one arrow at a time. Try and fore the entire quiver in one go and the only thing you're likely to hit is your own foot.
Between the three of them you've got the basis of a decent pathway
if that's his tactic it's not working.
I keep going back to Jenrick but he should have put the tories under so much pressure to get rid of him they had no choice.
Having just come out of austerity and now with the economy taking another hit due to the pandemic he managed to deprive some of the most needy communities in the country of 40 million in return for a 12 grand donation to the tory party.
Starmer last mentioned it two weeks ago and said we haven't heard the last, well when are we going to hear more. He's let them off the hook big time.
It's still way too early to say it's not working. It does feel a bit to me that those on the left are looking to criticise him at every opportunity. He's had Johnson on the run and floundering more than Corbyn ever did. His approach is more Tory-like but is that a bad thing?
i don't agree with that entirely to be honest.
I've said on here before, (probably in this thread), no way his PMQ performances have been as good as his supporters make out and no way have they been as bad as his detractors on the left would have you believe either in my opinion.
That's a fair comment but I still maintain that Johnson has struggled more with Starmer on the whole than he did with Corbyn. That might have been due to the lack of the backbench rabble, but he definitely hates the calm forensic dissection a lot more than a passioned argument when he can pull all the 'loony leftie' schtick and use the clown persona to make them lose their cool. I honestly think Starmeris slowly getting under his skin as his usual tactics aren't working on him and he's getting more frustrated. 'Slowly, slowly, catchy monkey'.
That's a fair comment but I still maintain that Johnson has struggled more with Starmer on the whole than he did with Corbyn. That might have been due to the lack of the backbench rabble, but he definitely hates the calm forensic dissection a lot more than a passioned argument when he can pull all the 'loony leftie' schtick and use the clown persona to make them lose their cool. I honestly think Starmeris slowly getting under his skin as his usual tactics aren't working on him and he's getting more frustrated. 'Slowly, slowly, catchy monkey'.
Starmer is showing his legal training. Often doesn't play well in that to do a lot of grandstanding and getting emotive. Of course there's a part of me that want him to really put the boot in on Johnson but it's become which bit do you pick? There's so many things that need to be made the most of PMQ's could last a whole day and you still wouldn't have covered them all.
Plus Johnson's forte is getting people into emotional exchanges. What he can't handle is calm, rational dissection of his statements and actions. Someone getting worked up he can do his little snide comments and get under someone's skin. When they don't rise to the bait he gets flustered, as we've seen.
Starmer's tactic is more death of a thousand cuts.
I don’t mind Starmer’s forensic approach to be honest - and I very much like the removal of the baying mob at PMQ’s because both together expose Johnson. Keeping it cool and calm is fine in the right scenarios and context. But what I want to see if Starmer look like he cares about something. As the Labour leader there are some things he should be passionate about, like the things he stood on in the leadership contest.
The NHS just as one example - should be taking the government to town on this. Calling out the hypocrisy of clapping for them every week and them stinging staff with a stealth tax on parking. Listening to Johnson taking about how nurses ‘saved’ his life and them failing to remunerate them adequately or not reinstate bursaries. Corbyn would have taken them to task on this, and public support would be there for it.... it’s so illogical.
For me the forensic approach as it keeps being called isn't fair removed from Corbyn's stance - two sides of the same coin. Look back at when Corbyn was first appointed leader and you'll see articles very similar to those about Starmer now. Praising him for not getting involved in shouting matches at PMQs "week-to-week, these quieter sessions are Jeremy Corbyn’s best approach to tussling with David Cameron".
Of course that doesn't translate to a soundbite for the 6 o'clock news or the next days papers. There's a danger of history repeating itself here. Lots of backslapping from Labour supporters on twitter about Starmer 'winning' PMQs but a failure to cut through to the wider electorate. The polls would certainly suggest that is the case at the moment.
For Labour the concern should be that with the baying masses of the Conservative back benchers absent and a government who are an unmitigated disaster who on a virtually daily basis are experiencing things that would have brought down previous governments, or at least causing serious issues, they are failing to make inroads. Yes it is years from the next election but that shouldn't allow complacency.
I'm hoping that Starmer is storing this up for later as surely an inquiry into this fiasco has to follow
waiting for an inquiry with this government would be a huge mistake.
We're still waiting on the Russia report and the Patel bullying inquiry and it also looks as though he's waiting for one on Jenricks antics. The longer the wait the less potency they'll carry.
And with Starmer dragging his feet on the leaked Labour report he'd be putting himself on thin ice.
And if we don't get one hit them with that.
The Covid crisis is a difficult situation to negotiate. These things need looking into but right now it's too easy to be hit with the retort of "national crisis and you;re trying to political point score". They've already tried it when faced with criticism, saying there should be support during these times.
It does feel like the Tories are using the Trump playbook of throwing so much shit at once you can't focus on one because no sooner than you do they've done something else outrageous and it's "why aren't you mentioning that?"
Like if the kids are simultaneously jumping on the sofa while trying to jab a fork into the plug socket, writin
I think you're massively over estimating the British publics appetite for truth and accountability from their government.
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