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CCFC88

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  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #736
David O'Day said:
No

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Im out
 
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steve cooper

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #737
It's far easier for the FL to get this season to a conclusion, however long it takes, than to void this season and start a new one later in the year. I don't see any logic in voiding a season. They will work out how to manage next season at the appropriate time IMO and conclude this one as per the schedule. Nothing else makes sense.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #738
What about the Championship? Think of the money on the line for the teams being promoted then.

If they start fucking about so far into the season then I can see lots of clubs kicking off. If decisions by the FL and Government end up fucking us over then I hope we take them to the cleaners.
 
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Gibbo

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #739
David O'Day said:
That is just not true, italy couldn't get a handle on where the virus was entering from meaning they couldn't contain the spread. The first confirmed cases were on the same day in the uk and italy.

Also the leaking of the plan to lock down Lombardy was spread it around the country faster than normal.

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The numbers tell a different story, but hey, who needs facts
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESshSpfWAAECPLR?format=png&name=small
 

SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #740
Gibbo said:
The numbers tell a different story, but hey, who needs facts
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Its not rising much in Japan
 

Gibbo

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #741
fernandopartridge said:
5. It hasn't finished, the rate of spread has slowed but after they've taken the sort of measures idiot Johnson would describe as 'draconian'
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If the Premier of China visits Wuhan, you can be pretty sure it's virtually finished. It is declining absolutely in China, not just the rate of spread
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #742
jordan210 said:
I don't see how you could just void the league.

Think of the money, contracts and legal what would happen. Would team have to give back TV and sponsorship money for unplayed games.

Would the FA/EFL refund all its sponsors and TV companies

Players put on automatic 1 year extensions. Players give back bonuses.

Easiest way would be to come up with some sort of decision using data from the last x amount of games and current positions. But like this

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Wow so same chance of Tranmere being relegated as us winning the league
 
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Gibbo

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #743
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Its not rising much in Japan
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As I said in the first post, Japan is a curious outlier, given that they have a very elderly population. But it is academic and clutching at straws - all European countries would to be on an almost identical path. - except the very steep Italian kick off as well
 

SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #744
Gibbo said:
As I said in the first post, Japan is a curious outlier, given that they have a very elderly population. But it is academic and clutching at straws - all European countries would to be on an almost identical path. - except the very steep Italian kick off as well
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This is why im baffled as to why so many people have it in Italy compared to everywhere else in Europe?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #745
SkyBlueDom26 said:
This is why im baffled as to why so many people have it in Italy compared to everywhere else in Europe?
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More people from China?
 

Gibbo

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #746
Nick said:
I'm still going.

To be honest, if they are still going to school and everything there's always a chance they will be exposed to it.

Am I Imagining it or was there a thing back in the day where if somebody had chicken pox then people all took their kids round to get them to catch it early on?
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It is a curiosity of this virus that unlike its predecessors it does not have a U shaped distribution curve that is the norm. In those cases the deaths and disease are at either end of the age spectrum - the young and the old. This virus appears to kill only the elderly. The clue is "underlying medical conditions" if you have diabetes the chance of dying goes from <1% to over 10% (bugger). If you are elderly, you are more likely to have conditions.

Given how this virus spreads, an open air stadium is probably one of the least contagious of public places. I'd keep away from public transport myself
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #747
Gibbo said:
The numbers tell a different story, but hey, who needs facts
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That's an extrapolation which doesn't seem to account for choices made. Please supply the actual data or stop posting of of context graphs.

Who needs facts? You it seems

#bodied

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skybluesam66

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #748
Watching something on tv the other evening, and suggesting Corona virus in itself is not too bad - It is when it reacts with other viruses and bacteria - which is why the elderly tend to be suffering more
Depending on the prevelance of those viruses/bacteria depends both on the severity within an individual, but can also explain why some countries (China/Iran/Italy) are at the moment suffering worse , while others (Japan / Continent of Africa) may not be
I guess it is identifying what is not common in Japan that is within the other nations mentioned
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #749
Gibbo said:
As I said in the first post, Japan is a curious outlier, given that they have a very elderly population. But it is academic and clutching at straws - all European countries would to be on an almost identical path. - except the very steep Italian kick off as well
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I’m hoping the Japan thing is down to a love of video games and kinky porn, in which case I’m bulletproof.
 
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Gibbo

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #750
An extended season is the likely solution. All other options risk legal action. But games would be 2 a week I guess.

The virus seems to to take 8 weeks from kick off to being past its peak (this is why the Govt has delayed taking some actions - it wants to fit the action to time of most risk. It has known all along that a compete prevention was impossible).
 

SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #751
Gibbo said:
An extended season is the likely solution. All other options risk legal action. But games would be 2 a week I guess.

The virus seems to to take 8 weeks from kick off to being past its peak (this is why the Govt has delayed taking some actions - it wants to fit the action to time of most risk. It has known all along that a compete prevention was impossible).
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So after 8 weeks it should decline? Interesting you say that because China now has it under control and is declaring some 'victory'
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #752
Data

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Gibbo

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  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #753
SkyBlueDom26 said:
This is why im baffled as to why so many people have it in Italy compared to everywhere else in Europe?
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Italy too has a very elderly population. It appears that there was incompetence in not spotting it right at the start (I was in northern Italy 22-29 Feb). The Italian outbreak is not focused on the big urban centres, which is counter intuitive, nor is it in France where there is a hotspot just north of Paris
 

SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #754
https://nypost.com/2020/03/10/coronavirus-vaccine-could-be-ready-by-april-chinese-officials-say/
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #755
David O'Day said:
Data
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SkyBlueDom26

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  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #756
 
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tisza

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #757
SkyBlueDom26 said:
This is why im baffled as to why so many people have it in Italy compared to everywhere else in Europe?
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track down Sickboy (unfortunate username in the circumstances) on here he lives there
 
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SkyBlueDom26

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  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #758
tisza said:
track down Sickboy (unfortunate username in the circumstances) on here he lives there
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@Sick Boy ??
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #759
SkyBlueDom26 said:
@Sick Boy ??
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Much higher levels of testing compared to other European countries and higher elderly population. I think in the UK they only test if you have been to a country with high levels of the virus, whereas they have been much more liberal with who and when they test them.
Both Milan and Venice are incredibly popular tourist destinations - they are in Lomardia and Veneto respectively.
It has only been taken seriously by the population since Monday.
 
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SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #760
Sick Boy said:
Much higher levels of testing compared to other European countries and higher elderly population.
Both Milan and Venice are incredibly popular tourist destinations - they are in Lomardia and Veneto respectively.
It has only been taken seriously by the population since Monday.
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can you see the new measures having an effect?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #761
SkyBlueDom26 said:
can you see the new measures having an effect?
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I think it is too early to tell but I think it will help improve the siutation. In Lomardia (where Milan is) even during the lockdown there last weekend a lot of people went skiing in a small area, despite them not being supposed to.
Now I am in a lockdown area you can tell the difference, it is much, much quieter and people are now (finally) actually taking it seriously.
The country has a very high elderly population too.
 
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SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #762
Sick Boy said:
I think it is too early to tell but I think it will help improve the siutation. In Lomardia (where Milan is) even during the lockdown there last weekend a lot of people went skiing in a small area, despite them not being supposed to.
Now I am in a lockdown area you can tell the difference, it is much, much quieter and people are now (finally) actually taking it seriously.
The country has a very high elderly population too.
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Will be interesting to see how the UK looks as we are apparently 2 weeks behind Italy, can't see there being anywhere near as many cases personally
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #763
Germany has a similar number of elderly to Italy yet has a far far lower number of fatalities
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #764
I think the mindset here is very different to the UK, for example, where rules and regulations by the state are seen by many as optional and something to try and getaround, now though it is being taken seriously by most people and businesses.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #765
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Will be interesting to see how the UK looks as we are apparently 2 weeks behind Italy, can't see there being anywhere near as many cases personally
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The testing criteria seems to be very different - there is a chance that there are many who are ill and not been tested.
 

SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #766
Sick Boy said:
The testing criteria seems to be very different - there is a chance that there are many who are ill and not been tested.
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Exactly and this relates to people having it and fully recovering from it almost as if it was a mild cold or mild flu..... mad to think really how many people that will be
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #767
Sick Boy said:
Much higher levels of testing compared to other European countries and higher elderly population. I think in the UK they only test if you have been to a country with high levels of the virus, whereas they have been much more liberal with who and when they test them.
Both Milan and Venice are incredibly popular tourist destinations - they are in Lomardia and Veneto respectively.
It has only been taken seriously by the population since Monday.
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Interesting you say about testing. I’ve had a cough and some shortness of breath since yesterday so did the 111 coronavirus thing and it basically only asks two questions if you’ve got the symptoms: have you been to a hotspot and have you had sustained contact with a confirmed case. You’d imagine if the answer to either was yes I’d already be self isolated. I’d have thought they’d be testing people with symptoms but clearly not.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #768
shmmeee said:
Interesting you say about testing. I’ve had a cough and some shortness of breath since yesterday so did the 111 coronavirus thing and it basically only asks two questions if you’ve got the symptoms: have you been to a hotspot and have you had sustained contact with a confirmed case. You’d imagine if the answer to either was yes I’d already be self isolated. I’d have thought they’d be testing people with symptoms but clearly not.
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Exactly, here they will test you.
The hospital that my girlfriend works in has setup an outside area for people to get tested, it seems if you go to the hospital they will test you.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #769
Sick Boy said:
Exactly, here they will test you.
The hospital that my girlfriend works in has setup an outside area for people to get tested, it seems if you go to the hospital they will test you.
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It’s a bit of a stretch to say they have the best resting in the whole of Europe
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Mar 11, 2020
  • #770
Grendel said:
It’s a bit of a stretch to say they have the best resting in the whole of Europe
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Not sure i have said they have 'the best testing' - which i presume is what you meant.
Will see how it develops in other countries, hopefully there won't be the same issues.
 
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