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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 5, 2021
  • #52,816
fernandopartridge said:
Just a quick poll:

Have you or anybody you know tested positive for COVID after attending a football match this season?

I'm wondering as I've been to 7 games with decent crowds at all. I've yet to hear of anybody I know coming down with covid afterwards.
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No. Heard of a lot after the Euro final but people 2ho watched in pubs rather than being there.
Knew a fair few including a family member ho got it at the Libertines in the old cathedral.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 5, 2021
  • #52,817
fernandopartridge said:
Just a quick poll:

Have you or anybody you know tested positive for COVID after attending a football match this season?

I'm wondering as I've been to 7 games with decent crowds at all. I've yet to hear of anybody I know coming down with covid afterwards.
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no I’ve not been to all home games
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 5, 2021
  • #52,818
Somebody posted on here early on that they thought they may have, twist and shout I think, then had to isolate while he was away in one of the Nordic countries.
 

Skybluefaz

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 5, 2021
  • #52,819
fernandopartridge said:
Just a quick poll:

Have you or anybody you know tested positive for COVID after attending a football match this season?

I'm wondering as I've been to 7 games with decent crowds at all. I've yet to hear of anybody I know coming down with covid afterwards.
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Yes. Know of about 5 that got it from one of their group I think at the Boro home game.
 

LastGarrison

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  • Nov 5, 2021
  • #52,820
Skybluefaz said:
Yes. Know of about 5 that got it from one of their group I think at the Boro home game.
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Guessing it is extremely hard to identify whether they actually caught it at the match or whether they caught it in the car travelling to the game, the pub beforehand etc.
 

Skybluefaz

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 5, 2021
  • #52,821
LastGarrison said:
Guessing it is extremely hard to identify whether they actually caught it at the match or whether they caught it in the car travelling to the game, the pub beforehand etc.
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Correct. Main point is they met up cos of the football then got it.
 
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fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 5, 2021
  • #52,822
LastGarrison said:
Guessing it is extremely hard to identify whether they actually caught it at the match or whether they caught it in the car travelling to the game, the pub beforehand etc.
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Yeah, the question was really about the whole day out. I reckon it more likely you'll catch it in the pub than the ground
 
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Kieranp96

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 5, 2021
  • #52,823
Stats definitely starting to show that the virus is running out if steam
 
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wingy

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  • Nov 5, 2021
  • #52,824

Covid: Pfizer says antiviral pill 89% effective in high-risk cases - BBC News

The company stopped clinical trials early because initial results for the drug were so positive.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 6, 2021
  • #52,825
Kieranp96 said:
Stats definitely starting to show that the virus is running out if steam
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Fucking hell.
How many times…it’s a global pandemic, it’s not isolated to the UK.
 
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Kieranp96

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 6, 2021
  • #52,826
Sick Boy said:
Fucking hell.
How many times…it’s a global pandemic, it’s not isolated to the UK.
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And how does cases in another country affect our hospitals?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 6, 2021
  • #52,827
Kieranp96 said:
And how does cases in another country affect our hospitals?
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Christ.
 
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Kieranp96

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 6, 2021
  • #52,828
Sick Boy said:
Christ.
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If you're talking about mutations im sorry to say but the science has already confirmed the chance of a deadlier mutation is like 99. 999999999% chance of not hsppening.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 6, 2021
  • #52,829
Kieranp96 said:
If you're talking about mutations im sorry to say but the science has already confirmed the chance of a deadlier mutation is like 9.999999999% chance of not hsppening.
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No I’m not talking about mutations.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 6, 2021
  • #52,830
Sick Boy said:
No I’m not talking about mutations.
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You're talking to one
 
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lordy_87

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 6, 2021
  • #52,831
fernandopartridge said:
Just a quick poll:

Have you or anybody you know tested positive for COVID after attending a football match this season?

I'm wondering as I've been to 7 games with decent crowds at all. I've yet to hear of anybody I know coming down with covid afterwards.
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I got tested positive for Covid in the week after the Fulham game and started getting symptoms on the Tuesday. Hard to say whether I got it at the match though as I did visit several other establishments that night.
 

robbiekeane

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 9, 2021
  • #52,832
Does anybody have any covid denier friends or people they know?

I have one friend who is a huge denier and regurgitates theories from an attempt to implement communism globally to biological manipulation. Another person I knew from school just straight up saying it’s a hoax, taking the piss out of people wearing masks etc and making loads of angry videos.

What the fuck is up with these people? Are they just scared of needles?
Genuine question, does anyone have any theories?
 
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Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 9, 2021
  • #52,833
robbiekeane said:
Does anybody have any covid denier friends or people they know?

I have one friend who is a huge denier and regurgitates theories from an attempt to implement communism globally to biological manipulation. Another person I knew from school just straight up saying it’s a hoax, taking the piss out of people wearing masks etc and making loads of angry videos.

What the fuck is up with these people? Are they just scared of needles?
Genuine question, does anyone have any theories?
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Is his name Boris Johnson?
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 9, 2021
  • #52,834
robbiekeane said:
Does anybody have any covid denier friends or people they know?

I have one friend who is a huge denier and regurgitates theories from an attempt to implement communism globally to biological manipulation. Another person I knew from school just straight up saying it’s a hoax, taking the piss out of people wearing masks etc and making loads of angry videos.

What the fuck is up with these people? Are they just scared of needles?
Genuine question, does anyone have any theories?
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Got a couple. One his best mate is a proper conspiracy theorist who spends his time in online game chats with other conspiracy nuts. Thinks the vaccine is a hoax and there’s going to be a race war (?).

Another who think it’s a “plandemic” designed to stop money being spent (?). He’s into every conspiracy from flat Earth to ancient aliens to Rothschilds to 9/11 you name it.

I think some people just like the feeling they’ve got knowledge others haven’t. Usually ones with a chip on their shoulder about not having and education in my experience.
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 9, 2021
  • #52,835
robbiekeane said:
Does anybody have any covid denier friends or people they know?

I have one friend who is a huge denier and regurgitates theories from an attempt to implement communism globally to biological manipulation. Another person I knew from school just straight up saying it’s a hoax, taking the piss out of people wearing masks etc and making loads of angry videos.

What the fuck is up with these people? Are they just scared of needles?
Genuine question, does anyone have any theories?
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Yeah I’ve got one, although I think the friendship is is probably now over. He’s brought into every conspiracy going from the it’s 5G that’s caused it to the vaccine is a tracking system. I’ve spoke about him before on here where he’ll ring me to tell me the latest conspiracy, I’ll dismiss it with some inconvenient facts and he’ll go away and find a new conspiracy theory. The last two was it killed every animal it was tested on, which in actual fact is most likely true. However, being one of those lefty, woke, vegetarian, animal rights types I new the reason why without even looking. The fact is it’s deliberate, they test them to distraction. Some of the procedures on its own would kill them with or without administering the vaccine. I point that out to him and off he trots until he can find something else.
Next thing he comes back with is it contains synthetic acids and they can kill you. Again he’s probably right but again the devil is in the detail. Synthetic acids are in everything from tomato sauce to vinegar to beers and wines. I google it while he’s on the phone and find that out in seconds. It also sounds like it’s no more dangerous or likely to kill you than eating red meat and dairy, both of which he does because vegetarianism is tantamount to communism and he also drinks heavily. That was the last conversation we had.
 
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AOM

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  • Nov 9, 2021
  • #52,836
shmmeee said:
I think some people just like the feeling they’ve got knowledge others haven’t.
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This is what I gathered too.
Think it makes some feel they're part of an exclusive club who's superior and it's everyone else, including the scientists/doctors that actually specialise in the field globally but don't post on YouTube who are wrong.
Usually their social media comments end with

I felt similar when Jamie Allen came good
 
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MusicDating

Euro 2016 Prediction League Champion!!
  • Nov 10, 2021
  • #52,837

Covid-resistant people inspire new vaccine tactic

Some people exposed to coronavirus didn't get ill. Now researchers want to use that in vaccines.
www.bbc.co.uk

'around one-in-10 had signs of being exposed, but never had symptoms, never tested positive and never developed Covid-fighting antibodies in their blood.'

This is one of the things that has bugged me throughout this as as far as I'm aware, none of the modellers accounted for this, they assumed that 100% of the population could catch it.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 10, 2021
  • #52,838
MusicDating said:

Covid-resistant people inspire new vaccine tactic

Some people exposed to coronavirus didn't get ill. Now researchers want to use that in vaccines.
www.bbc.co.uk

'around one-in-10 had signs of being exposed, but never had symptoms, never tested positive and never developed Covid-fighting antibodies in their blood.'

This is one of the things that has bugged me throughout this as as far as I'm aware, none of the modellers accounted for this, they assumed that 100% of the population could catch it.
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I thought some models had assumed that not everybody was susceptible
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 10, 2021
  • #52,839
MusicDating said:

Covid-resistant people inspire new vaccine tactic

Some people exposed to coronavirus didn't get ill. Now researchers want to use that in vaccines.
www.bbc.co.uk

'around one-in-10 had signs of being exposed, but never had symptoms, never tested positive and never developed Covid-fighting antibodies in their blood.'

This is one of the things that has bugged me throughout this as as far as I'm aware, none of the modellers accounted for this, they assumed that 100% of the population could catch it.
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Funny enough on the same subject I saw this


This explains it in a more accessible way

 
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RedSalmon

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 10, 2021
  • #52,840
Regarding conspiracy theorists who I have known over the years, my observation would be that (in general) they tend to be people who feel they have had a rough deal in life, but it's not their fault, it's 'the system" and the people who control it.
They take no responsibility (or very little) for their lived experience.
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 10, 2021
  • #52,841
Sorry, what now?


We’re going to ban over 65’s from public spaces. Really?
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Nov 10, 2021
  • #52,842
RedSalmon said:
Regarding conspiracy theorists who I have known over the years, my observation would be that (in general) they tend to be people who feel they have had a rough deal in life, but it's not their fault, it's 'the system" and the people who control it.
They take no responsibility (or very little) for their lived experience.
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Totally agree with this.

I know one who thinks Covid is a hoax, and Governments across the world are using it to control us and stop us from enjoying our lives. Why they would do that is not clear.

That description of yours fits this person perfectly.
 
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robbiekeane

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  • Nov 11, 2021
  • #52,843
shmmeee said:
think some people just like the feeling they’ve got knowledge others haven’t.
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But it feels like more than that. It feels more passionate than that. Like there is a lot of drive behind their actions and they are so vocal. And consistent. Surely if it was just oneupmanship it’d be short lived?
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 11, 2021
  • #52,844
robbiekeane said:
But it feels like more than that. It feels more passionate than that. Like there is a lot of drive behind their actions and they are so vocal. And consistent. Surely if it was just oneupmanship it’d be short lived?
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Something I’ve heard on more than one occasion from both rabid Brexiters I know and conspiracy nuts has been “you’ve been brainwashed by Uni” and “just because you’ve got a degree doesn’t make you better than me” (which I’ve never claimed and don’t believe).

As others have said it provides a crutch for their own life shortcomings. I’m not doing badly because of my failings but because some shadowy elite is rigging the game against me. That’s powerful as it becomes part of their core identity.

It’s the same as people who have had luck in their life need to passionately believe in free markets and meritocracy, or those that haven’t need to believe in evil capitalism. You’ve got to believe that where you are either is or isn’t because of your innate talent to protect your own ego.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 11, 2021
  • #52,845
Power and control, fear of the unknown. It's harder to let others have control, which is actually what happens when you allow somebody else to inject you with something, trust the people who've come up with it, and the people administering it.

There's more control in not having the vaccine, as that's exclusively your decision. You're then also not granting power over you to somebody else. That ends up articulating itself as a conspiracy.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 11, 2021
  • #52,846
Have a few articles. Here's an opinion piece, which starts overly inflammatory in my view, so doesn't help me accept the rest of it.

Science Denial and COVID Conspiracy Theories—Lessons From Clinical Disease About Possible Neurophysiological Mechanisms

This Viewpoint discusses possible parallels between the distortion in sensory information and faulty monitoring of ideas characteristic of some patients with neurodegenerative diseases (dementia with Lewy bodies and Capgras syndrome, frontotemporal dementia) and the creation and maintenance of...
jamanetwork.com

Here's a couple of more in-depth, not sure if they actually explain, mind you.

SAGE Journals: Your gateway to world-class research journals

Subscription and open access journals from SAGE Publishing, the world's leading independent academic publisher.
journals.sagepub.com

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Patrick-Leman/publication/285852159_A_major_event_has_a_major_cause_Evidence_for_the_role_of_heuristics_in_reasoning_about_conspiracy_theories/links/5de0d2b4a6fdcc2837f3ee98/A-major-event-has-a-major-cause-Evidence-for-the-role-of-heuristics-in-reasoning-about-conspiracy-theories.pdf
 
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fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 11, 2021
  • #52,847
skybluetony176 said:
Sorry, what now?


We’re going to ban over 65’s from public spaces. Really?
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At least we didn't elect that totalitarian socialist eh
 
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fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 11, 2021
  • #52,848
shmmeee said:
Something I’ve heard on more than one occasion from both rabid Brexiters I know and conspiracy nuts has been “you’ve been brainwashed by Uni” and “just because you’ve got a degree doesn’t make you better than me” (which I’ve never claimed and don’t believe).

As others have said it provides a crutch for their own life shortcomings. I’m not doing badly because of my failings but because some shadowy elite is rigging the game against me. That’s powerful as it becomes part of their core identity.

It’s the same as people who have had luck in their life need to passionately believe in free markets and meritocracy, or those that haven’t need to believe in evil capitalism. You’ve got to believe that where you are either is or isn’t because of your innate talent to protect your own ego.
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Isn't disparaging academics one of the key signs of fascism?
 

shmmeee

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  • Nov 11, 2021
  • #52,849
fernandopartridge said:
Isn't disparaging academics one of the key signs of fascism?
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I don’t hold much truck with those “signs of fascism” stuff TBH. I think it confuses fertile ground for fascism with fascism itself. For me the cycle is usually: economic stagnation > working class unhappy > fascists/charlatans offering easy answers
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Nov 11, 2021
  • #52,850
skybluetony176 said:
Sorry, what now?


We’re going to ban over 65’s from public spaces. Really?
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Can tell we're not near an election. Threaten to annoy and alienate their main support group.

But it's the Tories testing the waters as usual. There will be a backlash and they'll say it was never intended to happen.
 
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