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chiefdave

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  • Jun 29, 2021
  • #48,161
Nick said:
They are going to need to change the laws on sick pay then.
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Wouldn't hold your breath. That's been mentioned many times in relation to taking time off for quarantine and nothing has been done.

And then of course you have to asses how many people would take the piss and constantly be saying they were infectious to get a few days off.

It is annoying when people come into the office and happily tell everyone how bad they feel and spread it around. Needs a culture change so that is seen as a bad thing rather than a positive.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 29, 2021
  • #48,162
Nick said:
When it is September / October if they still hammer the tests it's a perfect reason for another lockdown.

If we got tested for a cold / flu then the world would end because of nobody ever leaving the house.
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You know it’s not all or nothing don’t you? We could keep masks and reduce transmission of certain viruses and still open everything else. I think once you feel there is an ulterior motive for the restrictions then it’s so hard to stay on board

Do you feel there’s something other than public health that is leading restrictions?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 29, 2021
  • #48,163
chiefdave said:
Wouldn't hold your breath. That's been mentioned many times in relation to taking time off for quarantine and nothing has been done.

And then of course you have to asses how many people would take the piss and constantly be saying they were infectious to get a few days off.

It is annoying when people come into the office and happily tell everyone how bad they feel and spread it around. Needs a culture change so that is seen as a bad thing rather than a positive.
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In teaching it is more effort to be off than in because of the need to set work for every class, re-teach the stuff that wasn’t done in the cover lesson etc.
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Jun 29, 2021
  • #48,164
CCFCSteve said:
Yeah, still so much to learn. Unfortunately I can’t see herd immunity (total suppression) happening as quickly as I originally thought. Kids not vaccinated (and not sure if young uns should be) and also a mate mentioned something the other day that I’d not even considered, what about all the unregistered/undocumented people, let alone future tourists/work travellers, anti vax etc ?!

That’s also why however much Australia and NZ have been lauded for their approach (justifiably if it all works out as planned), I can’t see them reopening for a while yet*

*an even more transmissible/deadlier strain taking hold over there doesn’t bear thinking about
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Yeah...

Of course at some point we'll end up with the uber transmittable, mild Covid - that's the holy grail!
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Jun 29, 2021
  • #48,165
Why would you do this, btw?!?

Professor Chris Whitty: Video of 'thugs' harassing England's chief medical officer condemned by Boris Johnson

It is the second time this year social media footage has emerged of Professor Whitty being harassed by members of the public.
news.sky.com
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jun 29, 2021
  • #48,166
Sky Blue Pete said:
You know it’s not all or nothing don’t you? We could keep masks and reduce transmission of certain viruses and still open everything else. I think once you feel there is an ulterior motive for the restrictions then it’s so hard to stay on board

Do you feel there’s something other than public health that is leading restrictions?
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There will be restrictions and lockdown when people want them. Numbers can be manipulated however people want them to look.

We have already seen the shit with India was political as well.
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 29, 2021
  • #48,167
Nick said:
There will be restrictions and lockdown when people want them. Numbers can be manipulated however people want them to look.

We have already seen the shit with India was political as well.
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That was to keep things open though not locked down. What is driving the decisions on your opinion?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jun 29, 2021
  • #48,168
Sky Blue Pete said:
That was to keep things open though not locked down. What is driving the decisions on your opinion?
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The fact it is repetitive and goalposts are constantly moved.

Deaths are still low, hospitalisations miles down.

I just can't see an end to it, there will be another strain and more lockdowns. The media will scaremonger 24/7. Rinse and repeat for years.

There is never going to be a point in life now where nobody ever dies of COVID, same with flu.
 
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fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 29, 2021
  • #48,169
Deleted member 5849 said:
Why would you do this, btw?!?

Professor Chris Whitty: Video of 'thugs' harassing England's chief medical officer condemned by Boris Johnson

It is the second time this year social media footage has emerged of Professor Whitty being harassed by members of the public.
news.sky.com
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The government making the scientists front up some of the entirely political decisions has put them in this situation.
 
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SBAndy

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 29, 2021
  • #48,170
Nick said:
The fact it is repetitive and goalposts are constantly moved.

Deaths are still low, hospitalisations miles down.

I just can't see an end to it, there will be another strain and more lockdowns. The media will scaremonger 24/7. Rinse and repeat for years.

There is never going to be a point in life now where nobody ever dies of COVID, same with flu.
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Eh? He’s asking what you think the motivation to keep restrictions is.
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 29, 2021
  • #48,171
Nick said:
The fact it is repetitive and goalposts are constantly moved.

Deaths are still low, hospitalisations miles down.

I just can't see an end to it, there will be another strain and more lockdowns. The media will scaremonger 24/7. Rinse and repeat for years.

There is never going to be a point in life now where nobody ever dies of COVID, same with flu.
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I agree but am interested to know what the motivation is other than public health
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 29, 2021
  • #48,172
Just tried it out myself, Pepsi Max gives a perfect negative lateral flow test
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Jun 29, 2021
  • #48,173
Sky Blue Pete said:
I agree but am interested to know what the motivation is other than public health
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No idea. If it was just public health then the decisions so far have hardly been bang on have they? Was it for public health when the majority of the country was locked down but London wasn't even though it was rife there?

I think the scaremongering from the media doesn't help at all either.
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 29, 2021
  • #48,174
Nick said:
No idea. If it was just public health then the decisions so far have hardly been bang on have they? Was it for public health when the majority of the country was locked down but London wasn't even though it was rife there?

I think the scaremongering from the media doesn't help at all either.
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Each example you’ve referred to makes the point that we should have locked down for public health reasons. So you think something other than public health should determine our policy to dealing with covid. What would you like it to be based on? What do you think the government are basing it on? Public happiness?

I can’t work out what they’re doing I’m just asking as you’ve expressed your disagreement with keeping things locked up or restrictions in place
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jun 29, 2021
  • #48,175
Sky Blue Pete said:
Each example you’ve referred to makes the point that we should have locked down for public health reasons. So you think something other than public health should determine our policy to dealing with covid. What would you like it to be based on? What do you think the government are basing it on? Public happiness?

I can’t work out what they’re doing I’m just asking as you’ve expressed your disagreement with keeping things locked up or restrictions in place
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No, it is showing that not everything done is based on Public Health. London opened up when it was rifer than most of the country so why couldn't other places open up? That was clearly political.

They clearly aren't basing it on statistics now are they?
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 29, 2021
  • #48,176
Nick said:
No, it is showing that not everything done is based on Public Health. London opened up when it was rifer than most of the country so why couldn't other places open up? That was clearly political.

They clearly aren't basing it on statistics now are they?
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Sorry I’m not explaining myself well my friend

I believe the mistakes thus government have made is where they haven’t taken the decision on public health

India travel
Late to lockdown
Opening up too much too early

You seemed to be saying we should open up and there will be consequences but so be it.

Do you agree that public health should be paramount? If not what should be?

For what it’s worth it’s always a balance as far as I am concerned and we always risk public health for progress or as others call it greed so why should Covid be any different

Clean air act
Health and safety at work act 78
Working time regulations from the Eu
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 29, 2021
  • #48,177
Sky Blue Pete said:
Sorry I’m not explaining myself well my friend

I believe the mistakes thus government have made is where they haven’t taken the decision on public health

India travel
Late to lockdown
Opening up too much too early

You seemed to be saying we should open up and there will be consequences but so be it.

Do you agree that public health should be paramount? If not what should be?

For what it’s worth it’s always a balance as far as I am concerned and we always risk public health for progress or as others call it greed so why should Covid be any different

Clean air act
Health and safety at work act 78
Working time regulations from the Eu
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What is still poorly defined is how 'living with Covid' works in practice. We are not long in theory from, according to Javid, irreversibly going back to 'close to normal'. Now while real world data is going better than the modelling predicted I find it hard to believe it will suddenly be no masks, no testing, no anything one day after all of these being common. At the same time fully vaccinating the adult population is I think enough precaution and we will have to accept some deaths despite this
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jun 29, 2021
  • #48,178
20479
23 deaths
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 29, 2021
  • #48,179
Sky Blue Pete said:
20479
23 deaths
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The number of cases is very high - what’s going on there?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 29, 2021
  • #48,180
Sick Boy said:
The number of cases is very high - what’s going on there?
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The deaths are very low. The prediction is 20,000 deaths a year when everyone is fully vaccinated. That’s 60 a day. The high infection rate against low death counts is a good thing
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jun 29, 2021
  • #48,181
Sick Boy said:
The number of cases is very high - what’s going on there?
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It's just delta spreading across the country amongst generally younger people, it looks like vaccines are providing solid protection.
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 29, 2021
  • #48,182
fernandopartridge said:
It's just delta spreading across the country amongst generally younger people, it looks like vaccines are providing solid protection.
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Spot on. Modelling had been horrifically wrong (again) thank god. PHE covid inpatients jumped yesterday, after the weekend, but a small drop back today

Let’s hope thIs data continues
 
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pipkin73

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 29, 2021
  • #48,183
pipkin73 said:
Think this might be a long one.

I've applied for my jab out here but told my registration numbers don't register. but they will call me to sort it out.
All in Spanish so when they called i never had a clue as i speak only a little Spanish (spoke more before i moved here).

Called the British Embassy as they were asking foreign nationals to call if problems getting the jab and as i always used to pay private when ill, they told me to call the surgery i used and they should be able to help.

On the local Canaries paper, they said they realized that lots of people were not registered with an NHS doctor and private instead so go to your private doctors to ask for help.
This was my reply from my doctor's private surgery.

Have you used the app? I showed them i have, their response "well go back to England and get it done there, if not wait until the end of the year once all the Canarians are done and get it done at the Pharmacy, just keep wearing your mask.

At the same time, a neighbor has just gone to her Scandie clinic. (no residencia, just a NIF (NIF basically is just you saying you are here)). Anyway, she got her injection 1 week later.

My old doctors in England have called me up 3 times for my jab.
I've told them via phone and email i live abroad now and to give my jab to someone else (in fact i told them about 16 years ago when i moved out here).

Looks like from the 15th of July we can have UK tourists and believe me we need you all.

So what do i do?
Wait for Gran Canaria to sort itself out vaccine-wise or fly back to the UK.


If i fly back to the UK, i have to quarantine for 10 days on arrival. Get my first jab and then wait for my second before coming back here. I could be gone for approx 8 weeks, likely more.

1 my jabs should go to someone still living in the UK
2 i should get sorted here, not be told "go back to England and get it done there"

So effin confused, want and need all you tourists back here. Tenerife has high levels of Covid Virus and back on level 3, but ALL the other islands are safe.

158 of the 195
new cases are Tenerife.

In Gran Canaria it was 14 days, 39.92 per 100,000 inhabitants, 7 days 18.72 per 100,000 inhabitants. In the south of Gran Canaria where i live (Puerto Rico) we have zero cases and have had zero for about 8 months now. Most of the cases on the island are in Las Palmas
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jun 30, 2021
  • #48,184
I reckon you'll be OK holding out rather than incurring the expense of coming back here.
 

pipkin73

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 30, 2021
  • #48,185
fernandopartridge said:
I reckon you'll be OK holding out rather than incurring the expense of coming back here.
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Hope so mate, just worried that when tourists come back (and i want them back yesterday) i will be open to catching it.
 

pipkin73

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 30, 2021
  • #48,186
fernandopartridge said:
I reckon you'll be OK holding out rather than incurring the expense of coming back here.
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Not really about the expense either. I have very little work (about 82€ per week, once i got back i could have lost that.

Had to go back to England for my Nans funeral (a few years back), i was away for 4 days and left my dog with neighbours who loved her and walked her every day, but even with them, when i left she never ate for those 4 days and just lay by the door waiting for me.

If i was gone for 8 weeks or more sorting out my jab i think she would die
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 30, 2021
  • #48,187
CCFCSteve said:
Spot on. Modelling had been horrifically wrong (again) thank god. PHE covid inpatients jumped yesterday, after the weekend, but a small drop back today

Let’s hope thIs data continues
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How has the modelling been horrifically wrong?
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 30, 2021
  • #48,188
shmmeee said:
How has the modelling been horrifically wrong?
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London imperial models were Warwick’s werent
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 30, 2021
  • #48,189
Sky Blue Pete said:
London imperial models were Warwick’s werent
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Which imperial model? Certainly not their first that was spot on.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 30, 2021
  • #48,190
shmmeee said:
Which imperial model? Certainly not their first that was spot on.
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Neil Ferguson's projections of deaths without any restrictions look pretty good tbh
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 30, 2021
  • #48,191
shmmeee said:
Which imperial model? Certainly not their first that was spot on.
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It was the modelling around this last wave
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jun 30, 2021
  • #48,192
Whitty wants everything to open before winter. Clearly to lock down again fully then.
 
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Skybluefaz

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 30, 2021
  • #48,193
Nick said:
Whitty wants everything to open before winter. Clearly to lock down again fully then.
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Why do you say that?
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jun 30, 2021
  • #48,194
Skybluefaz said:
Why do you say that?
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He's grumpy
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jun 30, 2021
  • #48,195
Sky Blue Pete said:
He's grumpy
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£50 charitable bet that lock downs are introduced again?

I'm just not naive, why is he keen to open everything up ASAP if we are in for a "tough winter" ?
 
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