Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (21 Viewers)

Deleted member 5849 · Jun 28, 2021

CCFCSteve said:
Yeah, I did shake my head when I heard the comment. As I say I hope he’s based it on concrete data !

It's asserting himself in a new post, and before an election. On the plus side, there's three(?) more weeks for more data to become available, to see if that's right or not. BBC say he said they see no reason to go beyond 19th July, which is a subtly different phrasing that still allows an out if needed.

I'd have certainly thought a 'cautiously optimistic' tone would have been more sensible, though, and the irreversible comment is naive at best... although they seem adept at pointing out things are beyond their control whenever they do reverse an irreversible decision!

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Jun 28, 2021

Deleted member 5849 said:
It's asserting himself in a new post, and before an election. On the plus side, there's three(?) more weeks for more data to become available, to see if that's right or not. BBC say he said they see no reason to go beyond 19th July, which is a subtly different phrasing that still allows an out if needed.

I'd have certainly thought a 'cautiously optimistic' tone would have been more sensible, though, and the irreversible comment is naive at best... although they seem adept at pointing out things are beyond their control whenever they do reverse an irreversible decision!

But that's the stupidity of making an 'irreversible' comment. It's never the case, and certainly not in a situation like this, so why even make it other than for a soundbite to get the people that want restrictions lifted regardless (many of whom seem to have the ear of the Tory power base) onside.

CCFCSteve · Jun 28, 2021

Deleted member 5849 said:
It's asserting himself in a new post, and before an election. On the plus side, there's three(?) more weeks for more data to become available, to see if that's right or not. BBC say he said they see no reason to go beyond 19th July, which is a subtly different phrasing that still allows an out if needed.

I'd have certainly thought a 'cautiously optimistic' tone would have been more sensible, though, and the irreversible comment is naive at best... although they seem adept at pointing out things are beyond their control whenever they do reverse an irreversible decision!

Yeah agree, just say what Johnson has been saying ‘looking ok for now’

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
But that's the stupidity of making an 'irreversible' comment. It's never the case, and certainly not in a situation like this, so why even make it other than for a soundbite to get the people that want restrictions lifted regardless (many of whom seem to have the ear of the Tory power base) onside.

Yeah, never really got the irreversible comment but kind of see it the other way. Its given them the ability to say we don’t want to make rash decisions that we then have to go back on, so let’s wait and review the data inbetween stages...well, until Saj came along .

Skybluefaz · Jun 28, 2021

Becoming a farce with the kids school. We've had instructions via emails from the head that kids should be kept off if they are displaying symptoms of any illness. Also all kids who have positive cases in the year and siblings should get pcr tests. Does my daughter continue to go in? Or do we wait for a negative test? Johnson was telling us that schools are safe in January when everything was fucked but now when loads of people are vaccinated things seem to be more stringent. Then you have Saj coming out saying that he's gonna tell Covid to do one and that's that. Proper fucked off with it.

chiefdave · Jun 28, 2021

Skybluefaz said:
Johnson was telling us that schools are safe in January when everything was fucked but now when loads of people are vaccinated things seem to be more stringent.

Did they ever actually admit transmission in schools was a thing after months of denying it?

Sky Blue Pete · Jun 28, 2021

chiefdave said:
Did they ever actually admit transmission in schools was a thing after months of denying it?

Course not teachers fault isn’t it

Skybluefaz · Jun 28, 2021

We've ended up booking both kids in for pcr tests tomorrow. I had a couple of days booked off anyway but now my wife will be out of her school. Amazed a man of the calibre of Gavin Williamson has allowed things to descend into such a farce.

Sky Blue Pete · Jun 28, 2021

Skybluefaz said:
We've ended up booking both kids in for pcr tests tomorrow. I had a couple of days booked off anyway but now my wife will be out of her school. Amazed a man of the calibre of Gavin Williamson has allowed things to descend into such a farce.

Careful captain hindsight

PVA · Jun 28, 2021

Went on a stag do at the weekend and 2 of the group got notifications to self isolate.

Not quite sure how the rest of us haven't got the notification! Fingers crossed it stays that way.

Skybluefaz · Jun 28, 2021

Sky Blue Pete said:
Careful captain hindsight

I know right.

Sky Blue Pete · Jun 28, 2021

Skybluefaz said:
I know right.
Wtf is gavin?

CCFCSteve · Jun 28, 2021

PVA said:
Went on a stag do at the weekend and 2 of the group got notifications to self isolate.

Not quite sure how the rest of us haven't got the notification! Fingers crossed it stays that way.

Depends which strippers were wearing PPE I guess

ps had the same after England Scotland match in Birmingham. Two self isolation notices, four nothing. Two in self isolation tested negative on LFs throughout isolation

baldy · Jun 28, 2021

PVA said:
It's pretty astonishing that someone can come in after over a year out the cabinet, with no involvement in the Covid response, go straight into the job as Health Secretary and make such claims on his first day in the job.

It’s like Andrew Marr yesterday whining about the fact that he’d caught covid even though he’d been double-jabbed &,as the doctor he was interviewing rightly said,that‘s fine…he didn’t die,he didn’t get admitted to hospital - so what if people get it? It proves the vaccines work & we do have to start living with it now for gods sake

fernandopartridge · Jun 29, 2021

baldy said:
It’s like Andrew Marr yesterday whining about the fact that he’d caught covid even though he’d been double-jabbed &,as the doctor he was interviewing rightly said,that‘s fine…he didn’t die,he didn’t get admitted to hospital - so what if people get it? It proves the vaccines work & we do have to start living with it now for gods sake

The issue is that a lot of people are not fully vaccinated or have even been offered one and the vaccination programme is running at a snail's pace now. There are still 24m adults yet to have a second dose, half of whom haven't had the first. That is a lot of susceptible people.

pipkin73 · Jun 29, 2021

Think this might be a long one.

I've applied for my jab out here but told my registration numbers don't register. but they will call me to sort it out.
All in Spanish so when they called i never had a clue as i speak only a little Spanish (spoke more before i moved here).

Called the British Embassy as they were asking foreign nationals to call if problems getting the jab and as i always used to pay private when ill, they told me to call the surgery i used and they should be able to help.

On the local Canaries paper, they said they realized that lots of people were not registered with an NHS doctor and private instead so go to your private doctors to ask for help.
This was my reply from my doctor's private surgery.

Have you used the app? I showed them i have, their response "well go back to England and get it done there, if not wait until the end of the year once all the Canarians are done and get it done at the Pharmacy, just keep wearing your mask.

At the same time, a neighbour has just gone to her Scandie clinic. (no residencia, just a NIF (NIF basically is just you saying you are here)). Anyway, she got her injection 1 week later.

At the same time, my old doctors in England have called me up 3 times now for my jab.
I've told them via phone and email i live abroad now and to give my jab to someone else (infact i told them about 16 years ago when i moved out here).

Looks like from the 15th of July we can have UK tourists and believe me we need you all.

So what do i do?
Wait for Gran Canaria to sort itself out vaccine-wise or fly back to to UK.

If i fly back to the UK, i have to quarantine for 10 days on arrival. Get my first jab and then wait for my second before coming back here. I could be gone for approx 8 weeks, likely more.

1 my jabs should go to someone still living in the UK
2 i should get sorted here, not be told "go back to England and get it done there"

So effin confused, want and need all you toursists back here. Tenerife has high leveks of Covidl Virus and back on level 3, but ALL the other islands are safe.

158 of the 195
new cases are Tenerife.

In fact, in the first Tenerife figure, there was 164,3 cases per 100,000 inhabitants and a the second of 131.1 on the island of Tenerife.

In Gran Canaria it was 14 days, 39.92 per 100,000 inhabitants, In Tenerife it was 7 days ,18.72 per 100,000 inhabitants

Brighton Sky Blue · Jun 29, 2021

At last

Covid: School isolation rules could end in autumn

Parents' frustration is mounting over the disruption to children's education and their own working lives.

www.bbc.co.uk

SBAndy · Jun 29, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue said:
At last

Covid: School isolation rules could end in autumn

Parents' frustration is mounting over the disruption to children's education and their own working lives.

www.bbc.co.uk

But why do they need to do daily tests? By the time September/October rolls around we should have everyone who wants it double-jabbed. Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure it’s nice to have the data but you don’t do tests to see if you have flu, for example. As many of you will be aware, I’m on the more cautious side of things but by that time we really do have to live with it and that’s that (assuming no adverse info/data in the meantime).

Deleted member 5849 · Jun 29, 2021

SBAndy said:
But why do they need to do daily tests? By the time September/October rolls around we should have everyone who wants it double-jabbed. Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure it’s nice to have the data but you don’t do tests to see if you have flu, for example. As many of you will be aware, I’m on the more cautious side of things but by that time we really do have to live with it and that’s that (assuming no adverse info/data in the meantime).

Still need to know various things we don't know yet - what happens when vaccines weaken for example, what happens if other variants come along...

And before I get jumped on by the usuals, that can actually be a positive thing, if the data shows vaccines hold up well over a reasonable period of time, and that variants don't break it. Spread of the virus will also show whenever it's been suppressed to a point where vaccine top-ups aren't necessary, too.

Skybluefaz · Jun 29, 2021

Deleted member 5849 said:
Still need to know various things we don't know yet - what happens when vaccines weaken for example, what happens if other variants come along...

And before I get jumped on by the usuals, that can actually be a positive thing, if the data shows vaccines hold up well over a reasonable period of time, and that variants don't break it. Spread of the virus will also show whenever it's been suppressed to a point where vaccine top-ups aren't necessary, too.

Kids aren't vaccinated though so you won't get that sort of data from them surely?

Brighton Sky Blue · Jun 29, 2021

SBAndy said:
But why do they need to do daily tests? By the time September/October rolls around we should have everyone who wants it double-jabbed. Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure it’s nice to have the data but you don’t do tests to see if you have flu, for example. As many of you will be aware, I’m on the more cautious side of things but by that time we really do have to live with it and that’s that (assuming no adverse info/data in the meantime).

It’s one step closer to them just letting me do my job properly and giving something close to a proper education. Really need to just drop bubbles, drop mandated isolation and allow teachers around the room.

Sky Blue Pete · Jun 29, 2021

Mobile phone ban plan to improve school behaviour

Phone bans and other ways to create "calm classrooms" are considered in a consultation on discipline.

www.bbc.co.uk

Gavin’s priority

Deleted member 5849 · Jun 29, 2021

Skybluefaz said:
Kids aren't vaccinated though so you won't get that sort of data from them surely?

You will, because it'll show prevalence in the community Vs serious illness.

The issue is as much transmission as anything else. If there ends up little to transmit...

Brighton Sky Blue · Jun 29, 2021

Deleted member 5849 said:
You will, because it'll show prevalence in the community Vs serious illness.

The issue is as much transmission as anything else. If there ends up little to transmit...

Flu wants you to hold its beer, it’s been waiting for 18 months

Nick · Jun 29, 2021

SBAndy said:
But why do they need to do daily tests? By the time September/October rolls around we should have everyone who wants it double-jabbed. Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure it’s nice to have the data but you don’t do tests to see if you have flu, for example. As many of you will be aware, I’m on the more cautious side of things but by that time we really do have to live with it and that’s that (assuming no adverse info/data in the meantime).

When it is September / October if they still hammer the tests it's a perfect reason for another lockdown.

If we got tested for a cold / flu then the world would end because of nobody ever leaving the house.

CCFCSteve · Jun 29, 2021

Deleted member 5849 said:
Still need to know various things we don't know yet - what happens when vaccines weaken for example, what happens if other variants come along...

And before I get jumped on by the usuals, that can actually be a positive thing, if the data shows vaccines hold up well over a reasonable period of time, and that variants don't break it. Spread of the virus will also show whenever it's been suppressed to a point where vaccine top-ups aren't necessary, too.

Yeah, still so much to learn. Unfortunately I can’t see herd immunity (total suppression) happening as quickly as I originally thought. Kids not vaccinated (and not sure if young uns should be) and also a mate mentioned something the other day that I’d not even considered, what about all the unregistered/undocumented people, let alone future tourists/work travellers, anti vax etc ?!

That’s also why however much Australia and NZ have been lauded for their approach (justifiably if it all works out as planned), I can’t see them reopening for a while yet*

*an even more transmissible/deadlier strain taking hold over there doesn’t bear thinking about

chiefdave · Jun 29, 2021

SBAndy said:
Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure it’s nice to have the data but you don’t do tests to see if you have flu, for example.

Last summer the government was suggesting that moving forward we could be doing similar tests for flu and those that are sick would be encouraged to stay at home. They spoke about learning lessons from covid and applying it elsewhere. A change from the culture of it being seen as a good thing if you struggle into work sick.

If we're going to live with covid moving forward then its likely testing is here to stay and if we're going to be testing people with symptoms why not also test them for flu and see if we can get numbers, and therefore deaths, for that down as well.

Find it a bit strange that in some countries that experienced bad SARS outbreaks they took the lessons and made minor adjustments to their daily lives to try and prevent similar happening again. We seem to be determined to take no lessons from this in the rush to get back to 'normal'.

chiefdave · Jun 29, 2021

CCFCSteve said:
a mate mentioned something the other day that I’d not even considered, what about all the unregistered/undocumented people,

The good news is that has already been considered and there are 'no questions asked' vaccination clinics for the likes of the homeless and others who may not have documentation.

Suspect the problem is going to be getting the message across and will need the assistance of people in those communities. May also be a fear that the promise of 'no questions asked' may not be kept.

Pharmacists launch service to vaccinate homeless people and undocumented migrants against COVID-19 - The Pharmaceutical Journal (pharmaceutical-journal.com)

Marty · Jun 29, 2021

chiefdave said:
The good news is that has already been considered and there are 'no questions asked' vaccination clinics for the likes of the homeless and others who may not have documentation.

Suspect the problem is going to be getting the message across and will need the assistance of people in those communities. May also be a fear that the promise of 'no questions asked' may not be kept.

Pharmacists launch service to vaccinate homeless people and undocumented migrants against COVID-19 - The Pharmaceutical Journal (pharmaceutical-journal.com)

Does undocumented just mean illegals?

Skybluefaz · Jun 29, 2021

Just been to the moat street testing place. Ten times busier than when I last had to go.

SBAndy · Jun 29, 2021

Deleted member 5849 said:
Still need to know various things we don't know yet - what happens when vaccines weaken for example, what happens if other variants come along...

And before I get jumped on by the usuals, that can actually be a positive thing, if the data shows vaccines hold up well over a reasonable period of time, and that variants don't break it. Spread of the virus will also show whenever it's been suppressed to a point where vaccine top-ups aren't necessary, too.

My counter argument there is where do you draw the line? Do we have kids taking tests every day until the next full outbreak just so we know when the vaccine starts to weaken?

I know I’m talking extremities here, and I suppose given the ability of the virus to be asymptomatic maybe it is a requirement, but I feel like it’s a bit of a peculiar request. Once a week maybe, but every day?

chiefdave said:
Find it a bit strange that in some countries that experienced bad SARS outbreaks they took the lessons and made minor adjustments to their daily lives to try and prevent similar happening again. We seem to be determined to take no lessons from this in the rush to get back to 'normal'.

Fully with you here, I really do think lessons should be learned and I don’t think going exactly back to pre-Covid is sensible. We need to think about what adjustments should be made to ensure we’re a more resilient society in the future, though.

Brighton Sky Blue · Jun 29, 2021

SBAndy said:
My counter argument there is where do you draw the line? Do we have kids taking tests every day until the next full outbreak just so we know when the vaccine starts to weaken?

I know I’m talking extremities here, and I suppose given the ability of the virus to be asymptomatic maybe it is a requirement, but I feel like it’s a bit of a peculiar request. Once a week maybe, but every day?

Fully with you here, I really do think lessons should be learned and I don’t think going exactly back to pre-Covid is sensible. We need to think about what adjustments should be made to ensure we’re a more resilient society in the future, though.

Why do we seem to be suggesting that nobody should get ill again?

Nick · Jun 29, 2021

chiefdave said:
Last summer the government was suggesting that moving forward we could be doing similar tests for flu and those that are sick would be encouraged to stay at home. They spoke about learning lessons from covid and applying it elsewhere. A change from the culture of it being seen as a good thing if you struggle into work sick.

They are going to need to change the laws on sick pay then.

People are always going to go into work sick if staying off means they lose out on money.

Skybluefaz · Jun 29, 2021

Police investigating after Chris Whitty accosted in park - BBC News

Boris Johnson says he is "shocked" by the "despicable harassment" of England's chief medical officer.

www.bbc.com

Fucking idiots.

Skybluefaz · Jun 29, 2021

Do they ever learn?

Sky Blue Pete · Jun 29, 2021

Skybluefaz said:
Do they ever learn?

I don’t disagree we need to start doing more but the mixed messaging with this is not good. Just open up or not

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