The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed .

Sky Blue Pete

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Could apply to a lot of things funnily enough. People love to blame anything - governments, generations, circumstances other than the fact most of the time they just aren’t very good
Yep and I’m not pointing at anyone more than me other than blaming foreigners
 

skybluetony176

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What’s the betting that the back stop makes a return and Boris hails it as a victory against the Ireland protocol and a Brexit victory.
 

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clint van damme

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I appreciate the Guardian is a big cheer leader for the EU but if the quotes in this article from various ex diplomats are true its pretty damning of Johnson and worrying about how we move forward as a country

 

Sky Blue Pete

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I appreciate the Guardian is a big cheer leader for the EU but if the quotes in this article from various ex diplomats are true its pretty damning of Johnson and worrying about how we move forward as a country

Need to hear the Mail and the sun take. Mail will be something pithy like EU threaten progress on world Covid vaccinations
 

skybluetony176

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Didn’t even mention Brexit. This just goes to show that anyone who matters doesn’t care about Brexit past the GFA. We’re on our own to find solutions to a problem of our own making. So much for holding all the cards, the only thing we’re holding is our own dicks.
 
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skybluetony176

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How wars start. Raab and johnson don’t realise they are dealing with dynamite

Says a government representative of a government who’s repeatedly lied to Northern Ireland. As far as I know Macron has never lied to Northern Ireland.
 

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No one more pissed off than David Frost with the deal negotiated by, err, David Frost!
There’s something to be said about the implementation of the NIP though.

The EU conducts 20% of its customs controls in Northern Ireland which is evidently not proportionate. Things like Sainsbury’s own brand goods being checked when there’s no Sainsbury’s in ROI.

The NIP has claimed Arlene Foster’s political career who has been replaced by someone who is a hardliner and this could carry on to claim more political careers and jeopardise the GFA agreement.

For balance, the NIP negotiated by the government was a terrible and always going to caused issues. But, its implementation by the EU has been zealous and is stirring the unionist community. Frankly, it needs to be looked at again and both sides come to some sort of arrangement rather than both trying to score PR wins.
 

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There’s something to be said about the implementation of the NIP though.

The EU conducts 20% of its customs controls in Northern Ireland which is evidently not proportionate. Things like Sainsbury’s own brand goods being checked when there’s no Sainsbury’s in ROI.

The NIP has claimed Arlene Foster’s political career who has been replaced by someone who is a hardliner and this could carry on to claim more political careers and jeopardise the GFA agreement.

For balance, the NIP negotiated by the government was a terrible and always going to caused issues. But, its implementation by the EU has been zealous and is stirring the unionist community. Frankly, it needs to be looked at again and both sides come to some sort of arrangement rather than both trying to score PR wins.
It was just unnecessary
 

skybluetony176

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There’s something to be said about the implementation of the NIP though.

The EU conducts 20% of its customs controls in Northern Ireland which is evidently not proportionate. Things like Sainsbury’s own brand goods being checked when there’s no Sainsbury’s in ROI.

The NIP has claimed Arlene Foster’s political career who has been replaced by someone who is a hardliner and this could carry on to claim more political careers and jeopardise the GFA agreement.

For balance, the NIP negotiated by the government was a terrible and always going to caused issues. But, its implementation by the EU has been zealous and is stirring the unionist community. Frankly, it needs to be looked at again and both sides come to some sort of arrangement rather than both trying to score PR wins.
If you go to a Sainsbury’s or Tesco’s at a border town the car park will be full of cars from the South as a lot of food stuff is cheaper in the North than the South. You can’t have a border on the island of Ireland so the only way to control goods and standards of goods traveling to the south is the NIP. Was never going to be any different without breaking the GFA. Simple as.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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If you go to a Sainsbury’s or Tesco’s at a border town the car park will be full of cars from the South as a lot of food stuff is cheaper in the North than the South. You can’t have a border on the island of Ireland so the only way to control goods and standards of goods traveling to the south is the NIP. Was never going to be any different without breaking the GFA. Simple as.
As was spelt out very clearly by everyone when farage and gove and johnson were saying all would be well

Selfish arrogant wankers
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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It was just unnecessary
Well, not necessarily. It’s a creative solution to avoid a hard customs border in NI.

The EU is prioritising the sanctity of its Single Market above the GFA. The UK Government definitely has a point here and it definitely risks stirring the Unionist community in a similar way a hard border would stir the Nationalist community.

Dynamic alignment is a tool that the Swiss rejected from the EU in recent talks and it’s not something we should entertain either.
 

clint van damme

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If you go to a Sainsbury’s or Tesco’s at a border town the car park will be full of cars from the South as a lot of food stuff is cheaper in the North than the South. You can’t have a border on the island of Ireland so the only way to control goods and standards of goods traveling to the south is the NIP. Was never going to be any different without breaking the GFA. Simple as.
And this has been known for a long time. They're acting like it's a big surprise.
 

clint van damme

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Well, not necessarily. It’s a creative solution to avoid a hard customs border in NI.

The EU is prioritising the sanctity of its Single Market above the GFA. The UK Government definitely has a point here and it definitely risks stirring the Unionist community in a similar way a hard border would stir the Nationalist community.

Dynamic alignment is a tool that the Swiss rejected from the EU in recent talks and it’s not something we should entertain either.
Johnson stood in front of that Unionist community and told them there would be no additional checks, he knew he was lying to them.

All countries/trading blocs etc have red lines, we've known for a long time that sanctity of the single market was one of the EU whether we like it or not.

If the best tactic we've got is to hope they back down.on it then that says an awful lot about the charlatans who are running the country
 

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Says a government representative of a government who’s repeatedly lied to Northern Ireland. As far as I know Macron has never lied to Northern Ireland.
You do realise that Macron has an open agenda around Brexit, I assume?