Match Thread Nottingham Forest vs Coventry City (A) - City Ground - Sat 19th September (5.30pm KO) (33 Viewers)

[Ccfcisparks]

Let me just enlighten you,

For me Gus played decent, he showed heart and determination. First half he was creating chances which dried up second half when he had no movement to create for when Tats and Cherif went off. He also came close to scoring. He won the ball frequently and progessed it well including making a bursting covering run to stop a clear goalscoring chance for Villa.

Gboho carried the ball well and showed quality, in the 1st half at one point he had 4 Villa players around him dribbled his way through and had an effort on goal, he also worked back and supported Mfuni and looked really promising able to mix it up going wide and cutting inside.

Sakamoto worked really hard and supported Lati really well defensively, its hard when you go from having the pace and support of MvE behind you to having a slug like Lati who is clearly a CB and not good enough at RB. It says it all when we became one dimensional when he went off the ball wasnt going to him quick enough and Villa doubled up on him, if MvE was there with the overlapping run they wouldnt be able to.

Cherif looked really lively creating chances for himself, held the ball up well, made some good runs and clearly has good movement, looked quite comfortable on the ball and has a decent burst of pace. He was useful in the linkup often offering and quickly releasing it then moving simple and basic but we looked like we had nothing going forward when he went off.

Torp we all know he should start, I also think having him and Gus with crazy good passing ranges and vision offers something extra.

Yirenkyi looked like a good foil for Torp offering the physicality and work rate, he’s young and naive but the best way to learn is by trying. He has plenty of heart and he will settle down he’s got the pressure of being our record signing.

Thomas and Pinnock easy decision, we need experience there Pinnock has abundance of that, and Thomas has been our best player this season. They need to stick to a partnership and with Amenda out for a while what better than to try now.

Dasilva and MvE back in, Milan has been poor this season but I dont want to see Lati at RB in the Premier league, and Dasilva has been up there with Bobby, his ball retention and ball winning ability is top, and I think Mfuni had a decent game and showed a lot of quality but is young and inexperienced, give him chances off the bench and have him bide his time, I trust Dasilva.

Rushworth back in, easy decision.

There we go Sparky, also I expressed in another thread what I see the issue to be with the system want me to link it in? It backs up what I think here even further, I may well be wrong but its a site for opinions we’ll all have different ones

Edit: with the last bit forgot it was on this thread already 2 posts up!

Gus won the ball frequently

Stats show he made 0 tackles.

 

[David O'Day]

You can’t do the first 2 at the same time, if you press higher and drop the defence back you open the pitch up more meaning teams will find it even easier to play through and glide past. The issue is we are not compact in the right way, often we defend the box with everyone in it and we’re slow to get out.

What needs to happen is we need to show a shape, I think we need a clear back 4 with one of Torp or Grimes sat in front screening, not in it, in front, then have another 4 ahead of it pressing it in the midfield but holding position, let the Striker push their backline back and be an outlet for a quick counter or holdup play.

Our issue is we can’t see a clear shape at times, players go for walk abouts, no there needs to be discipline and there needs to be grit and heart. We need players who want it and players who will fight and we shouldnt be scared to give our best for 60 minutes then make a change rather than conserve and play 90. Its a different game.

Tell them to run their hearts out then reinforce at 60, then again at 75 to sure it up. The issues are obvious to see its structural, we need to find a shape stick to it and find an 11 and stick to it. We need the leaders to step up, Grimes will have a part to play but for me it’ll be similar to Liam Kelly’s role come on to sure it up and calm it down later on and show your quality to retain the ball and relieve pressure

yes you can do the first 2 at the same time lots of team do it

we are not asking the back 4 to standing on the fucking goal line just be a couple of steps back

 

[PUSB-We_are_going_up]

Gus won the ball frequently

Stats show he made 0 tackles.

2 interceptions, 2 recoveries, 4 ground duels won

 

[David O'Day]

2 interceptions, 2 recoveries, 4 ground duels won

Was it Maldini or Baresi that said if you have to tackle you have already failed

 

[PUSB-We_are_going_up]

yes you can do the first 2 at the same time lots of team do it

we are not asking the back 4 to standing on the fucking goal line just be a couple of steps back

Its a lot less effective and opens up a lot of space to play through our already struggling midfield, the midfield engagement needs to be higher thats the issue, and they need to not be in the backline, there needs to be a clear backline and clear midfield but there hasnt been

 

[PUSB-We_are_going_up]

Was it Maldini or Baresi that said if you have to tackle you have already failed

I didnt realise that tackling was the only way you can win the ball as well

 

[SleepyGinger]

If we can some how get a win here it would change the outlook massively.

 

[SleepyGinger]

If MVE is fit I’d go for

Rushworth
MVE Thomas Pinnock JDS
Onyeka Yirenkyi
Tchouna Rudoni EMC
Cherif

 

[Ccfcisparks]

I didnt realise that tackling was the only way you can win the ball as well

He was absolutely pish. You are clutching at straws.

The fact you thought Saka played well says it all

 

[skybluecam]

Rushworth
MVE Thomas Pinnock Mfuni Dasilva
Onyeka Yirenkyi
Tchaouna Simms EMC

Flip a coin between Simms/Cherif. Gboho to come on for decent minutes.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Rushworth
MVE Thomas Pinnock Mfuni Dasilva
Onyeka Yirenkyi
Tchaouna Simms EMC

Flip a coin between Simms/Cherif. Gboho to come on for decent minutes.

You are for sure a troll.

Starting EMC and Simms haha

Didnt want to make it too obvious and start Hamer?

 

[clint van damme]

Rushworth
MVE Thomas Pinnock Mfuni Dasilva
Onyeka Yirenkyi
Tchaouna Simms EMC

Flip a coin between Simms/Cherif. Gboho to come on for decent minutes.

I think we can discuss formations and tactics until we're blue in the face but until the players can give us 90 minutes of effort, bravery and concentration then I dont think any of it matters.

 

[skybluecam]

You are for sure a troll.

Starting EMC and Simms haha

Didnt want to make it too obvious and start Hamer?

Why would EMC not start?

Don’t mind Simms or Cherif, don’t particularly have confidence in either right now.

 

[skybluecam]

I think we can discuss formations and tactics until we're blue in the face but until the players can give us 90 minutes of effort, bravery and concentration then I dont think any of it matters.

I think that’s a lazy criticism, they gave that for 90 mins at Man City.

 

[clint van damme]

I think that’s a lazy criticism, they gave that for 90 mins at Man City.

Its not a lazy criticism, we've played 3 more games than Man City and a lack of all 3 things were evident.
And even against Man City there were lapses of concentration though that's probably more forgivable

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Why would EMC not start?

Don’t mind Simms or Cherif, don’t particularly have confidence in either right now.

Because he doesnt look fit and has been terrible.

 

[HadjiChippo]

Forest, away, coming off of a week long break and us having played midweek, now without Amenda, and apparently MVE too.

When it rains it pours.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Forest, away, coming off of a week long break and us having played midweek, now without Amenda, and apparently MVE too.

When it rains it pours.

Whats up with MVE?

 

[HadjiChippo]

Whats up with MVE?

I thought I read it was rumoured he’s out?

 

[skybluecam]

Because he doesnt look fit and has been terrible.

EMC? He was involved in a lot of the good things we did vs MC and Brighton

 

[Ccfcisparks]

EMC? He was involved in a lot of the good things we did vs MC and Brighton

You are just on the wind up now

 

[Ccfcisparks]

I thought I read it was rumoured he’s out?

Where?

 

[edgy]

Rushworth
MVE Thomas Pinnock Mfuni Dasilva
Onyeka Yirenkyi
Tchaouna Simms EMC

Flip a coin between Simms/Cherif. Gboho to come on for decent minutes.

Didnt really want to see us play 3 CBs again but I think the loss of Amenda and Pinnock's lack of pace will mean we have to. I dont think Lampard will be brave enough to play Thomas and Mfuni as 2 CBs. Although I hope he does.

I'd go:

with MVE available



without MVE:




But we all know that Grimes will start.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Didnt really want to see us play 3 CBs again but I think the loss of Amenda and Pinnock's lack of pace will mean we have to. I dont think Lampard will be brave enough to play Thomas and Mfuni as 2 CBs. Although I hope he does.

I'd go:

with MVE available

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without MVE:

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But we all know that Grimes will start.

That first one is probably the best team we could do

 

[Shannerz]

5-4 win.

We race into a four goal lead after half an hour. They'll get back into it, making it 4-4 early in the second half. We'll then regroup, and score a winner.

Inevitable.

 

[skybluecam]

Didnt really want to see us play 3 CBs again but I think the loss of Amenda and Pinnock's lack of pace will mean we have to. I dont think Lampard will be brave enough to play Thomas and Mfuni as 2 CBs. Although I hope he does.

I'd go:

with MVE available

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without MVE:

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But we all know that Grimes will start.

can't see him starting Mfuni in a two at all, think Gboho will be on the bench as well.

With no Amenda 5atb becomes more likely I think.

Also he wouldn't pick Torp ahead of Grimes. And if he was thinking of dropping Grimes he probably would have played last night. So I expect Grimes to start whatever the formation is tbh