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Ring Of Steel

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,961
duffer said:
Except that other senior virologists in Europe and elsewhere seem to disagree with how that approach is being managed. The UK, or more technically England and Wales is pretty much the only place in Europe that isn’t taking more stringent measures to try to slow the spread.

Even previous government health specialists have come out against the current relaxed approach, what’s your level of expertise to discount all of their theories?

I hope it’s better than your statement that you can’t slow the spread down because that’s patently not supported by the evidence.
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Nobody is slating the credentials of the couple of experts that we seem to be relying 100% on, but a whole lot more equally as well qualified people- across the world as well as in the UK- do not agree with them.

Grendel said:
I assume he is the health "specilaist"
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No, I may be wrong but I am assuming he means this guy Health expert brands UK's coronavirus response 'pathetic'
 
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djr8369

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,962
Grendel said:
The peak is flattened by not taking action - that is the point so through natural infection it manages the capacity unlike in Italy when they rapidly became overloaded
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Sorry, I think you’ve misunderstood the proposed plan. The peak is flattened by taking action they just want to delay action until its most effective so the peak is flattened and we don’t suffer a second peak of a resurgence after counter measures are lifted. They want a proportion to get infect and recover to help with this ~60%. They think the extreme action of China will result in a second peak as people go back to work. No other nation is taking this strategy.


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Jcap

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,963
Sick Boy said:
Absolute uninformed nonsense, the health service here is excellent.
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Fair enough I respect your opinion, I have the opposite opinion though, as do many many members of my family who live there!
 
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djr8369

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,964
Grendel said:
You think we will have a higher death rate than Italy? Wow
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No. Where have I said that?


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Ring Of Steel

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,965
Grendel said:
You think we will have a higher death rate than Italy? Wow
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who says that?
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,966
Do the official stats even mean anything now? Seeing as over 10 thousand people are expected to be infected how is saying say 700 confirmed going to mean anything? Will it show how fast its rising?
 

Mask

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,967
Never thought I'd agree with Neil Lennon but I like the SPL's approach so far!

Celtic: Neil Lennon side should be champions if Premiership doesn't finish
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,968
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Do the official stats even mean anything now? Seeing as over 10 thousand people are expected to be infected how is saying say 700 confirmed going to mean anything? Will it show how fast its rising?
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At this point you could tell me that aliens have landed on Hearsall Common and I wouldn't know what to believe
 
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David O'Day

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,969
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Do the official stats even mean anything now? Seeing as over 10 thousand people are expected to be infected how is saying say 700 confirmed going to mean anything? Will it show how fast its rising?
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Yes. As that is confirmed cases.

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Grendel

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,970
Ring Of Steel said:
Nobody is slating the credentials of the couple of experts that we seem to be relying 100% on, but a whole lot more equally as well qualified people- across the world as well as in the UK- do not agree with them.



No, I may be wrong but I am assuming he means this guy Health expert brands UK's coronavirus response 'pathetic'
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John Ashton? Lol he was sacked years ago and has been a frother ever since - he was the e cig guy wasn't he?
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,971
Grendel said:
The peak is flattened by not taking action - that is the point so through natural infection it manages the capacity unlike in Italy when they rapidly became overloaded
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No it isn't, the peak is flattened by taking action.

You seem to have misunderstood this whole scenario.

How canceled events and self-quarantines save lives, in one chart
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,972
Ring Of Steel said:
Nobody is slating the credentials of the couple of experts that we seem to be relying 100% on, but a whole lot more equally as well qualified people- across the world as well as in the UK- do not agree with them.



No, I may be wrong but I am assuming he means this guy Health expert brands UK's coronavirus response 'pathetic'
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He's the guy who it was pointed out has no access to any of the data yesterday

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David O'Day

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,973
Grendel said:
John Ashton? Lol he was sacked years ago and has been a frother ever since - he was the e cig guy wasn't he?
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Yes he is. He likes to attack his former employers

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Grendel

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,974
PVA said:
No it isn't, the peak is flattened by taking action.

You seem to have misunderstood this whole scenario.

How canceled events and self-quarantines save lives, in one chart
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i havent - the strategy is to manage cases up to the projected forecasted peak and let natural interaction occur
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,975
djr8369 said:
No. Where have I said that?


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So if it wasn't you, who did say it?
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,976
The other point as well is the geological spread of the virus in the uk is fairly isolated and not concentrated which again shows our strategy has to be different to those with a concentration of infections
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,977
David O'Day said:
Yes he is. He likes to attack his former employers

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Didn’t he call a load of public thick cunts on twitter
 
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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,978
Grendel said:
the geological spread of the virus in the uk
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Fucking hell, it's being spread by rocks now?
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,979
Grendel said:
The other point as well is the geological spread of the virus in the uk is fairly isolated and not concentrated which again shows our strategy has to be different to those with a concentration of infections
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I don't think you mean geological, unless worms are now classed as highly vulnerable
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,980
Grendel said:
Didn’t he call a load of public thick cunts on twitter
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Well apparently he's quite the personality based on what I just read, and he was a tutor at my alma mater, which I never realised.
 
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theferret

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,981
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Do the official stats even mean anything now? Seeing as over 10 thousand people are expected to be infected how is saying say 700 confirmed going to mean anything? Will it show how fast its rising?
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Couldn't say, but it does appear that the confirmed cases does not tell the full picture here or anywhere else. Given that many countries have declared that they are not going to test people who get ill and self-isolate back to health, I'm not sure how valuable these figure are. The number of deaths - which will be recorded and pretty accurate in most places, will probably be a better guide of how badly hit a particular country is, but even that will be skewed by local factors and access to treatment etc.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,982
Grendel said:
Didn’t he call a load of public thick cunts on twitter
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Not sure of his exact words but they were rather vulgar.

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djr8369

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,983
Ring Of Steel said:
So if it wasn't you, who did say it?
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Nobody said it he was just trying to distract from my points rather than engage.


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Grendel

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,984
Ring Of Steel said:
I don't think you mean geological, unless worms are now classed as highly vulnerable
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Clearly geographical it’s not concentrated and again this was cited this morning as to why we are nowhere near a peak and containment now will strain services later
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,985
djr8369 said:
Nobody said it he was just trying to distract from my points rather than engage.


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Ah, ok
 

BornSlippySkyBlue

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,986
Grendel said:
I assume he is the health "specilaist"
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Just a c**t I think.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,987
Ring Of Steel said:
I don't think you mean geological, unless worms are now classed as highly vulnerable
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Worms will be fine. We'll be on our knees - they won't. Mainly because they don't have any.
 
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fellatio_Martinez

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,988
djr8369 said:
They think the extreme action of China will result in a second peak as people go back to work. No other nation is taking this strategy.
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Coronavirus:

 
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PVA

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,989
From a few dys ago:

"A leading London doctor today criticised the pace and scale of the UK’s response to coronavirus, saying the Government must “wake up” and heed the advice of frontline staff.

Dr Simon Ashworth, clinical director for critical care at Imperial College Healthcare NHS Trust, said schools and universities should be closed, non-emergency operations cancelled and large public events axed."

But I'm sure Grendel knows better than him.
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,990
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,991
PVA said:
From a few dys ago:

"A leading London doctor today criticised the pace and scale of the UK’s response to coronavirus, saying the Government must “wake up” and heed the advice of frontline staff.

Dr Simon Ashworth, clinical director for critical care at Imperial College Healthcare NHS Trust, said schools and universities should be closed, non-emergency operations cancelled and large public events axed."

But I'm sure Grendel knows better than him.
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He's not an epidemiologist though. It is not his speciality. He would also be singing a different tune when his nurses etc are off looking after there kids

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Grendel

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,992
PVA said:
From a few dys ago:

"A leading London doctor today criticised the pace and scale of the UK’s response to coronavirus, saying the Government must “wake up” and heed the advice of frontline staff.

Dr Simon Ashworth, clinical director for critical care at Imperial College Healthcare NHS Trust, said schools and universities should be closed, non-emergency operations cancelled and large public events axed."

But I'm sure Grendel knows better than him.
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No I think people like Whittey and Smith do as their arguments are plausible - why would you close schools out of interest?
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,993
SkyBlueDom26 said:
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whats that, about 200 today or have I got that wrong
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,994
Ring Of Steel said:
whats that, about 200 today or have I got that wrong
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Yeah man nearly a 200 increase
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 13, 2020
  • #1,995
The geographical (geological) point is correct though. As 80 plus percent of all cases in Italy are in 1 area that is why it has overwhelmed the Italian hospitals.

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