Brighton Sky Blue
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I have to watch my words in these here parts
“Though shit dickhead” will do.
Mmmmm not quite right. People have challenged on both sides of the lockdown argument when people have used false information to back up their prejudice. That’s called debateOn the flip side. members on the thread have shot down any information that doesn't suite them without facts. So isn't being arseholes.
If they are worried fine. Come out and say it. But trying to disprove things or snide remarks would assume they are just pushing there own narrative.
Im just saying. People are going to have different feelings about all this. Everyone needs to understand this and the snide remarks need to stop.
Mental health doesn't just effect people who are scared of covid. So for everyone sake. Maybe if people don't agree they post actually scientific facts. Not opinions. So it's a healthy debate. Not tit for tat.
Don’t know whether I’m captured under this, but I just feel like you’ve read a headline figure and are trying to base everything on that, rather than actually looking deeper into the data. Not being negative for the sake of it, just pointing out that it doesn’t fit your argument. For what it’s worth, I do feel like we’re almost at the point of having absolutely no reason to reopen but given the surge in infection it makes sense to be doubly sure that protection holds up.
The point on mental health is that we’ve heard plenty about the impact on MH of lockdown measures, continued restrictions, etc (see “suicides will peak again” type comments) but very little about those who feel there is still a threat out there. My dad, for example, is asthmatic and took things very seriously when it was mentioned that asthma sufferers were at greater risk. Then there’s no priority on vaccination and he - and I’m sure others - really felt that.
On the flip side. members on the thread have shot down any information that doesn't suite them. So isn't being arseholes.
If they are worried fine. Come out and say it. But trying to disprove things or snide remarks would assume they are just pushing there own narrative.
I don't know if that's aimed at me but pointing out that information is wrong is not shooting it down to suite a narrative, nor does it make me a lockdown lover.
You can't say 'the data shows xyz' when the data actually shows zyx.
That's not being negative, it's just pointing out facts
Don’t know whether I’m captured under this, but I just feel like you’ve read a headline figure and are trying to base everything on that, rather than actually looking deeper into the data. Not being negative for the sake of it, just pointing out that it doesn’t fit your argument. For what it’s worth, I do feel like we’re almost at the point of having absolutely no reason to reopen but given the surge in infection it makes sense to be doubly sure that protection holds up.
The point on mental health is that we’ve heard plenty about the impact on MH of lockdown measures, continued restrictions, etc (see “suicides will peak again” type comments) but very little about those who feel there is still a threat out there. My dad, for example, is asthmatic and took things very seriously when it was mentioned that asthma sufferers were at greater risk. Then there’s no priority on vaccination and he - and I’m sure others - really felt that.
I don't know if that's aimed at me but pointing out that information is wrong is not shooting it down to suite a narrative, nor does it make me a lockdown lover.
You can't say 'the data shows xyz' when the data actually shows zyx.
That's not being negative, it's just pointing out facts
One of the biggest things bugging me with all this - those wanting measures lifted seem to be quite content in calling out people who would rather be cautious, instead of the incompetent government whose actions have led us to this point once again!
But enough of that, eh?
The government are so corrupt it is unbelievable. The whole travel and testing process is testament to that. I agree that they should be held to account.
The concept of mental health is a big one. There are those that would happily go round licking shopping trollies, but there are also many who would prefer to have everybody sheltering because they are too nervous themselves.
Really at this stage, if the vaccine works, that should trump everything else for the most part.
The government are so corrupt it is unbelievable. The whole travel and testing process is testament to that. I agree that they should be held to account.
The concept of mental health is a big one. There are those that would happily go round licking shopping trollies, but there are also many who would prefer to have everybody sheltering because they are too nervous themselves.
Really at this stage, if the vaccine works, that should trump everything else for the most part.
In your view, what would be worse for a) the economy, and b) general mental health?
1. 4 week delay to fully reopening with current level restrictions remaining in place until 19th July.
2. Full reopening taking place on Monday but with the very real risk that within 4 weeks we may have to reverse this.
Could even argue I’ve been optimistic there with the fact that measures could, in theory, be brought back in with the worsening position but I don’t realistically see that happening. Genuine question as well, eager to learn of your thoughts.
In your view, what would be worse for a) the economy, and b) general mental health?
1. 4 week delay to fully reopening with current level restrictions remaining in place until 19th July.
2. Full reopening taking place on Monday but with the very real risk that within 4 weeks we may have to reverse this.
Could even argue I’ve been optimistic there with the fact that measures could, in theory, be brought back in with the worsening position but I don’t realistically see that happening. Genuine question as well, eager to learn of your thoughts.
The vaccine does work. Two weeks after the second dose. Which about 40% of the adult population currently have.
Oh, option 1 without question.
I think the thing is that if it is genuinely a 4 week delay which is like the extra of extra time, I don't think it is a problem. I just think the level of trust in the government is so low at the moment (CON +10 jokes aside) that the belief it will actually be lifted by the 19th is a little bit skeptical.
Hopefully 19th will be the end of it and it's all redundant anyway!
Great. Blowjobs all round then!
There are going to be aren’t there. To be honest, I couldn’t give a fuck of infections go back to the level of the second wave, so long as deaths and hospitalisations stay low. Am I missing something there?Over 11000 infections today
Nope don’t think you areThere are going to be aren’t there. To be honest, I couldn’t give a fuck of infections go back to the level of the second wave, so long as deaths and hospitalisations stay low. Am I missing something there?
The better way aroundDaily Mail reporting a serious review might be on for bringing forward the 19th full unlock by two weeks.
The better way around
Telling people lockdown will extend for 4 weeks and then reviewing the data and reducing it to two, rather than telling everyone months in advance a date that we will all be back to normal.Around what?
Telling people lockdown will extend for 4 weeks and then reviewing the data and reducing it to two, rather than telling everyone months in advance a date that we will all be back to normal.
I assume.
Still annoying though. What if you work in a nightclub and booked a wank in for three weeks time only to find out you will be back in work now instead. Heartbreaking.
I’m sure the Kasbah burger man doesn’t mind keeping those frozen stacks on ice for a bit longer.
Still annoying though. What if you work in a nightclub and booked a wank in for three weeks time only to find out you will be back in work now instead. Heartbreaking.
When asked directly the PM swerved a question that was basically about vaccine passports and negative testing as a means of letting more gatherings take place. I do think the pilots that have been done so far on this have shown that this is how you can allow organised events unrestricted but minimising transmission risk.
It's just a shame that we keep holding 'pilot' events where the mixing allowed seems unlimited, but aren't extending this to fully reopen certain sectors.
These pilots should’ve been going on since mid/late last year across a range of social situations. I’d personally much rather have real life data than relying on broad brush modelling to decide on restrictions and/or release of restrictions
That said, I’m not totally convinced by some of the pilots currently being rolled out either ie got to be negative before going in, some pilots held during low transmission periods...if that’s the case how much spreading can physically happen ?!
The Liverpool raves showed those big events are fine....however they were held when there was hardly any Covid around and negative tests before going in so what does it really show ?! Basically fuck all otherwise the scientists and government would’ve allowed clubs to reopen.
Another issue is the fact the lateral flow
results are currently self submitted. There needs to be a photo option so as well as scanning QR you have pic of negative result. Time consuming to check at events but more reliable ! (and could just spot check)
Why don't they just keep fucking quiet instead of leaking speculation constantlyDaily Mail reporting a serious review might be on for bringing forward the 19th full unlock by two weeks.
Why don't they just keep fucking quiet instead of leaking speculation constantly
Shouldn't you be teaching?I think we all know the answer
Shouldn't you be teaching?
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