Well, your air of superiority is tiresome. You try to belittle anyone who has a different view to your own and yet as your Celtic prediction laughingly showed, you ain't always right.top notch comeback - great stuff
That’s fair, and not something I’d thought about a great deal. Still, I think that plays a much smaller role than the figures you’re using suggest. I had said to CCFCSteve already that inpatients might be a better measure than admissions this time around so I’m in tune with your way of thinking on this. Had my first jab the other day as well, second will be just after August Bank Holiday as it stands.
I'm not taking much comfort from the inpatient numbers to be honest, there's been a 23% rise in 2 weeks.I had said to CCFCSteve already that inpatients might be a better measure than admissions this time around so I’m in tune with your way of thinking on this.
That's a fair point but the problem is there's a desire, and need, to put figures out every day but the more accurate data takes time to collate. For example the headline hospital admissions figures are by date of reporting hence the issues with weekends but any expert will want it by date of admission which is a few days behind. They'll then want info like age, health conditions, vaccination status which all takes time to come through.I think the problem is a lot of the figures do not make sense or tally. Gov will do a big data drop over night with the latest data that tents to be out of date anyway.
Think there's an issue with context here. You hear case numbers, hospital admissions and deaths and no matter how low it goes it still sounds pretty bad as we have nothing to compare it to. How many people know the equivalent figures for other viruses that we live with?It is I think prudent to seriously define ‘we have to live with Covid’ at a practical level
Think there's an issue with context here. You hear case numbers, hospital admissions and deaths and no matter how low it goes it still sounds pretty bad as we have nothing to compare it to. How many people know the equivalent figures for other viruses that we live with?
But before we can think about that we've got to stabilise numbers. We're not at the learn to live with it stage while every statistic used is going up.
My children have been at nursery since last July so I doubt thatJust so everyone is aware. Once we do come out of lockdown. We are likely to see a surge of RSV esp in younger children/babies. Due to not being exposed to everyday viruses.
My children have been at nursery since last July so I doubt that
Think there's an issue with context here. You hear case numbers, hospital admissions and deaths and no matter how low it goes it still sounds pretty bad as we have nothing to compare it to. How many people know the equivalent figures for other viruses that we live with?
But before we can think about that we've got to stabilise numbers. We're not at the learn to live with it stage while every statistic used is going up.
I suppose I mean we need to define what success looks like.
Not if we continue with masks and social distancing
Good to see that they’re considering loosening restrictions for vaccinated people entering the country.
I expect by the end of July the Uk is will on the EU safe list or whatever it’s called.Irony that foreigners will have more freedom of movement that us.
Great news. The vaccine and immune system work
We know they do. That's why everyone's pissed off we aren't unlocking
Some in the thread seam quite happy we are not unlocking.........
Great news. The vaccine and immune system work
Mate you really need to check what you are posting before jumping to conclusions
Further on in that thread it suggests that it's more like 6k, not 53...
Can only go by the confirmed numbers and not speculation.
but even if its 6k out of the 5m that have had the virus that is a very low number.
Would the number not also change quite drastically for the better. As lots of the data would have been collected before vaccine roll out ?
As the sample is 17 moths. week 27 what's June last year.
Only 1226 cases were checked though. So you can't say it's only 53 cases.
That's like polling 100 people and if 50 say they will vote Tory you cant then say 'only 50 people are going to vote Tory at this election'
I agree the numbers are still small but you keep posting things without fully reading the data and jumping to the wrong conclusions
Now passed 80% first jab, keep it going. 58% second
Brilliant news. Update from NHS digital is you can now check if your 2nd jab can be moved without having to cancel it straight away.
Some in the thread seam quite happy we are not unlocking.........
Some won't want to go back to normal until nobody is ill ever anywhere.
Look, I’m desperate to get back to normal and basically have been for months anyway, but some people are genuinely worried. So stop being arseholes about it.
Mental health and all that when it suits.
Just checked mine and there’s no other dates available at Stoneleigh.
On the flip side. members on the thread have shot down any information that doesn't suite them. So isn't being arseholes.
If they are worried fine. Come out and say it. But trying to disprove things or snide remarks would assume they are just pushing there own narrative.
Worth checking now and again. If you feel like a gamble you can cancel it and try and rebook at a different location.
But no your original booking could go in the time.
I risked it and moved forward 4 weeks. But for ages no other appointments other than my original showed.
I'm not taking much comfort from the inpatient numbers to be honest, there's been a 23% rise in 2 weeks.
Desperately hoping that the increased cases and hospitalisations aren't going to lead to increased deaths but all metrics (cases, admissions, inpatients, ventilators) are increasing and we seem to just be hoping those increases stop.
That's a fair point but the problem is there's a desire, and need, to put figures out every day but the more accurate data takes time to collate. For example the headline hospital admissions figures are by date of reporting hence the issues with weekends but any expert will want it by date of admission which is a few days behind. They'll then want info like age, health conditions, vaccination status which all takes time to come through.
Not getting into an argument about it.
Im with Andy on this and have always focussed on PHE inpatient figures, mainly because the justification for restrictions is (was) making sure the NHS doesn’t get overwhelmed and hopefully going forward, can at least operate at near normal levels. Agree with you that even inpatient numbers are going up, which you’d expected during a wave/spike but hopefully they can be contained (and the increase won’t become exponential) with less severe admissions being released far quicker, avoiding the Covid inpatient build up of past waves
Logically, that’s what the vaccines should deliver if effective...and enough people have been jabbed !
If those going through to hospital stays are mostly unvaccinated and in the category of 50+ then deaths will probably increase at least a bit. If they chose not to receive a vaccine I don’t really know what to say
If they chose not to receive a vaccine I don’t really know what to say
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