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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jun 13, 2021
  • #47,251
Nick said:
It's all lining up for autumn again.

Scare mongering. Headlines etc.
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Brave government that says we’ll set 4 parameters and despite not meeting two of them carry on regardless
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jun 13, 2021
  • #47,252
clint van damme said:
Once the vast majority are vacinnated I can't see what else we can do.
I think there have been people in this thread calling for us'to learn to live with it' far too early in the pandemic but I do think we are approaching that point.
Hopefully the scientific community can keep working to improve vacinnes and there's an effective ongoing vacinnation program with a good uptake from the public.
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Yep balanced
 

Evo1883

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  • Jun 13, 2021
  • #47,253
Sky Blue Pete said:
And what?
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Evo1883

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  • Jun 13, 2021
  • #47,254
I agree about the vaccination.

Once we are all done , no more lockdowns we must live with it .

Then we get our boosters and we carry on .

Simple .

Any other route could lead to some extreme anger or backlash.


 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jun 13, 2021
  • #47,255
clint van damme said:
Once the vast majority are vacinnated I can't see what else we can do.
I think there have been people in this thread calling for us'to learn to live with it' far too early in the pandemic but I do think we are approaching that point.
Hopefully the scientific community can keep working to improve vacinnes and there's an effective ongoing vacinnation program with a good uptake from the public.
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Agree with this. Don’t mind waiting two more weeks to get over 50s second doses fully effective and a few more young uns jabbed, and to just finalise assessment of data but surely that should be sufficient (still see guidance like masks etc remaining though)

As I mentioned yesterday I think it should then come down to personal choice and persona responsibility unless numbers are putting a strain on nhs (I know I’m going against professional modellers but I still can’t quite get my head around this (unless we get a vaccine resistant strain) especially the worst case scenarios - I read yesterday that we are currently running 50% lower covid inpatients/hospitalisation than even Sages best case scenario ! - For context this was in an article advocating a short delay, not immediate full reopening on 21 June but goes to show why we can’t just rely solely on long term forecasts when making decisions)

 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jun 13, 2021
  • #47,256
Evo1883 said:
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Seriously what next? On the streets? Big riots
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 13, 2021
  • #47,257
Sky Blue Pete said:
Seriously what next? On the streets? Big riots
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If stricter measures are applied I think businesses should get together and ignore rules - the Lloyd Webber approach
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jun 13, 2021
  • #47,258
Grendel said:
If stricter measures are applied I think businesses should get together and ignore rules - the Lloyd Webber approach
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It's already started. Can't remember who but I read one major company (possibly pub chain) have said here sticking to the 21st June deadline.
Feel sorry for the police if they're then asked to enforce any extension.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 13, 2021
  • #47,259
Sky Blue Pete said:
Seriously what next? On the streets? Big riots
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If they want to reimpose things in September when all adults will be double jabbed and boosters are here for the winter I would fully support civil disobedience and businesses defying the regulations. The state cannot prevent death and as stated many times we tolerate sometimes tens of thousands of flu deaths in a year.
 

jordan210

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  • Jun 13, 2021
  • #47,260
Sky Blue Pete said:
Seriously what next? On the streets? Big riots
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There another march planed for tomorrow. Not that any of the other ones have made the news.

I expect this one will turn nasty. Others have been fairly peaceful.
 

Philosoraptor

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  • Jun 13, 2021
  • #47,261
Brighton Sky Blue said:
If they want to reimpose things in September when all adults will be double jabbed and boosters are here for the winter I would fully support civil disobedience and businesses defying the regulations. The state cannot prevent death and as stated many times we tolerate sometimes tens of thousands of flu deaths in a year.
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The UK covid map does look like we are going in the wrong direction and it is spreading everywhere again. Think it may be wishful thinking for any more restrictions to be reduced at the moment. In some places, if this carries on how it is, there may even be a need for a tightening up of restrictions.

Think it depends on how the NHS can cope with its present number of cases and backlog.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/interactive-map
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 13, 2021
  • #47,262
Philosorapter said:
The UK covid map does look like we are going in the wrong direction and it is spreading everywhere again. Think it may be wishful thinking for any more restrictions to be reduced at the moment. In some places, if this carries on how it is, there may even be a need for a tightening up of restrictions.

Think it depends on how the NHS can cope with its present number of cases and backlog.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/interactive-map
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You tell me why weddings where everyone in attendance is vaccinated should carry on being restricted.
 

Philosoraptor

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  • Jun 13, 2021
  • #47,263
Brighton Sky Blue said:
You tell me why weddings where everyone in attendance is vaccinated should carry on being restricted.
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Vaccination does not necessarily mean you can't be a spreader. Your symptoms are usually a lot milder. I don't know the research on the infection rate from the group of people who are vaccinated compared to other groups.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 13, 2021
  • #47,264
Philosorapter said:
Vaccination does not necessarily mean you can't be a spreader. Your symptoms are usually a lot milder. I don't know the research on the infection rate from the group of people who are vaccinated compared to other groups.
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So you think we should never be able to have a normal wedding then?
 

stupot07

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  • Jun 13, 2021
  • #47,265
Anyone else aware there was one rule for the general public and businesses and a different set of rules for government business?

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Philosoraptor

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  • Jun 13, 2021
  • #47,266
Brighton Sky Blue said:
So you think we should never be able to have a normal wedding then?
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It is a good question. I don't think you can label any event with what's going on at the moment as 'normal'. For me, there would be two options. Sit and wait, and hope things clean up, or have the wedding when there are as few restrictions as possible. Passage of time and all that.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 13, 2021
  • #47,267
stupot07 said:
Anyone else aware there was one rule for the general public and businesses and a different set of rules for government business?

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What a fucking weasel. Still gets the working man I guess
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 13, 2021
  • #47,268
Philosorapter said:
It is a good question. I don't think you can label any event with what's going on at the moment as 'normal'. For me, there would be two options. Sit and wait, and hope things clean up, or have the wedding when there are as few restrictions as possible. Passage of time and all that.
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We have already pushed it back for a year, as have tens of thousands of other couples. Sorry, I don't think you really get it-quite simply, it just isn't fair at this point when vaccination is all anyone can reasonably ask
 

COV

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  • Jun 13, 2021
  • #47,269
Brighton Sky Blue said:
So you think we should never be able to have a normal wedding then?
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not being funny at all here, but you need to get your head around the fact that not everyone is a teacher, and not everyone is getting married- it’s not all about you and your situation.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 13, 2021
  • #47,270
COV said:
not being funny at all here, but you need to get your head around the fact that not everyone is a teacher, and not everyone is getting married- it’s not all about you and your situation.
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You don't see me pissing over other people's legitimate concerns and worries. Sick of being called selfish for daring to express them to be honest
 
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COV

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  • Jun 13, 2021
  • #47,271
Brighton Sky Blue said:
You don't see me pissing over other people's legitimate concerns and worries. Sick of being called selfish for daring to express them to be honest
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errrr you were just calling for civil disobedience
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 13, 2021
  • #47,272
COV said:
not being funny at all here, but you need to get your head around the fact that not everyone is a teacher, and not everyone is getting married- it’s not all about you and your situation.
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The point is though people have bought into the bargain and the governments part is to open up once and for all as over 70 million vaccines have been delivered. We are still doing half a million a day so that’s another 5 million by the date and all people at risk have had the opportunity to be vaccinated
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 13, 2021
  • #47,273
COV said:
errrr you were just calling for civil disobedience
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In a specific situation where in September they want to bring back restrictions despite all adults being fully vaccinated and booster shots ready for the winter months. Mr Lloyd Webber I assume is also selfish for daring to reopen his theatres on the 21st, not everyone works in theatre you know...
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 13, 2021
  • #47,274
COV said:
errrr you were just calling for civil disobedience
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People have delivered their part of the contract so of course if there is a breach people will be angry
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • Jun 13, 2021
  • #47,275
It is a good question that BSB asks. I think after you have offered everyone in the UK a vaccination you can't just simply open up the doors and let the virus grow rampant through the country. People who are vaccinated are also going to be caught in that melee with the NHS at full stretch or much worse.
 
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COV

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  • Jun 13, 2021
  • #47,276
Philosorapter said:
It is a good question that BSB asks. I think after you have offered everyone in the UK a vaccination you can't just simply open up the doors and let the virus grow rampant through the country. People who are vaccinated are also going to be caught in that melee with the NHS at full stretch or much worse.
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yep
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 13, 2021
  • #47,277
Philosorapter said:
It is a good question that BSB asks. I think after you have offered everyone in the UK a vaccination you can't just simply open up the doors and let the virus grow rampant through the country. People who are vaccinated are also going to be caught in that melee with NHS at full stretch or much worse.
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The hospitalisation data is heavily skewed towards the totally unvaccinated, which at this point consists mostly of the under 30s and whose time in hospital is much shorter than for older Covid patients. We tolerate thousands, sometimes tens of thousands of flu deaths each year despite having an established vaccination programme for it each year. Covid we must accept to be the same unless people wish to advocate for permanently shutting off a large chunk of society.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jun 13, 2021
  • #47,278
Philosorapter said:
It is a good question that BSB asks. I think after you have offered everyone in the UK a vaccination you can't just simply open up the doors and let the virus grow rampant through the country. People who are vaccinated are also going to be caught in that melee with the NHS at full stretch or much worse.
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How can it go rampant if most have been vaccinated and what’s the answer then. Live in a bunker for eternity
 
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Deleted member 4439

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  • Jun 13, 2021
  • #47,279
jordan210 said:
There another march planed for tomorrow. Not that any of the other ones have made the news.

I expect this one will turn nasty. Others have been fairly peaceful.
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Stand up for your rights!

 

Philosoraptor

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  • Jun 13, 2021
  • #47,280
Brighton Sky Blue said:
The hospitalisation data is heavily skewed towards the totally unvaccinated, which at this point consists mostly of the under 30s and whose time in hospital is much shorter than for older Covid patients. We tolerate thousands, sometimes tens of thousands of flu deaths each year despite having an established vaccination programme for it each year. Covid we must accept to be the same unless people wish to advocate for permanently shutting off a large chunk of society.
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Grendel said:
How can it go rampant if most have been vaccinated and what’s the answer then. Live in a bunker for eternity
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I think Govt is waiting on the evidence of what happens when more people are vaccinated. There are going to be people in hospitals with covid who are vaccinated or not vaccinated.
 
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  • Jun 13, 2021
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stupot07 said:
Anyone else aware there was one rule for the general public and businesses and a different set of rules for government business?

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https://giphy.com/xT5LMLlXiP01RYaAmc
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 13, 2021
  • #47,282
Philosorapter said:
I think Govt is waiting on the evidence of what happens when more people are vaccinated. There are going to be people in hospitals with covid who are vaccinated or not vaccinated.
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You can look at the data yourself. The much higher % is for those unvaccinated, very very few double jabbed. Without wishing to be called selfish for mentioning my profession, the sector contributing the most to infections at this moment in time is being kept open despite it being very much an indoors setting with many different households mixing.

These people speak for me and I imagine quite a lot of others

'We'll lose thousands if wedding rules don't change' - BBC News
 

clint van damme

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  • Jun 13, 2021
  • #47,283
How often is Johnson going to make big, Bold, over my dead body statements only to renege on them before people wake up to the fact we've got an incompetent bullshitter at the helm?
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • Jun 13, 2021
  • #47,284
Brighton Sky Blue said:
You can look at the data yourself. The much higher % is for those unvaccinated, very very few double jabbed. Without wishing to be called selfish for mentioning my profession, the sector contributing the most to infections at this moment in time is being kept open despite it being very much an indoors setting with many different households mixing.

These people speak for me and I imagine quite a lot of others

'We'll lose thousands if wedding rules don't change' - BBC News
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The Government though still has a duty to put restrictions on Liberty if the health service gets overwhelmed. You can't force people to be vaccinated. You have a duty of care on both groups to provide health services that are not overwhelmed.
 

clint van damme

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  • Jun 13, 2021
  • #47,285
Philosorapter said:
I think Govt is waiting on the evidence of what happens when more people are vaccinated. There are going to be people in hospitals with covid who are vaccinated or not vaccinated.
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The evidence is Johnson is becoming an international pariah and is now having to curry favour with maniacs like Modi to try and drum up trade deals which is ultimately why planes kept landing from India and this variant has started to run riot.
 
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