Yep.
'doing his best' is what you say to a 6 year old child in the egg and spoon race, it's not what you should be saying about the leader of the country during a pandemic.
The handling has been so catastrophic that if this is his best, then he clearly isn't fit to be Prime Minister. If he isn't doing best, then why the fuck not. Either way he has the blood of thousands on his hands through gross incompetence (not that he cares).
Basically nobody knows yet...how much more transmissible the variant is and whether vaccinations will help break the chain of transmission and/or hospitalisations etc
The vaccine rollout has gone well specifically because he’s had barely anything to do with it. No doubt the inquiry next year will be just one line: ‘he did his best, and Corbyn would have been worse’
Hmmmmm, I don’t accept the vaccine roll out has little to do with the government. Nor do most fair minded people in the population.
Funding the development of Oxford vaccine and ensuring it was delivered through AZ at not for profit (not just good for us but rest of the world). Also ensuring contract gave us first access to U.K. ‘manufactured’ vaccines. Also funding supply chain in U.K. and partially in EU
Procurement - the main part (if you don’t have the vaccines you can’t do the roll out). Securing variety of vaccines quickly. Government led when many wanted us to join the EU procurement scheme, refusing to do this was, on reflection, a masterstroke
Decision to follow JVCI/PHE guidance and extend gap between doses - could’ve taken safe option and followed the world. Not only did this ensure more people got partially protected quickly but by all accounts the greater gap has provided better immunity.
Decision to follow JVCI/PHE guidance and stick to older age categories/high risk first (many wanted this changed to younger, healthier front line workers - hard to argue on the face of it but would’ve left higher risk people exposed for longer)
The roll out/delivery has been a combination of NHS/army (logistical planning) and volunteers so agreed limited direct government involvement...however much we all wanted Hancock to be running around administering vaccines !!
There have been plenty of government fuck ups but you’ve got to give credit where it’s due. people trying to down play the involvement and importance of some of the above decisions just weaken the strength of valid arguments elsewhere
My question to all is that if the vaccine roll out had gone poorly, would you be arguing that it’s not the governments fault because they didn’t have anything to do with it ?!
Procurement is where the government involvement stopped. I credit scientists, not politicians, with developing it and putting in the hard work to get it to market. After that point full credit should go to the JCVI and NHS for the strategy going into 2021 and physically implementing all the jabs.
Credit for doing as they were told is laughable
many on here (and elsewhere) raised issues with government following that advice and wanted a different strategy. As I say, if the roll out had fucked up would people be blaming the NHS/JVCI ?! Of course they wouldn’t, and nor should they. The government made the final decisions
You will find we made that choice as infections were spiralling and we were hitting 1,000 plus deaths a day. We had to do it that way to try and get some protection to more people. We would not have done it if Boris had done his job in the first place.
Do we acknowledge Blair or Hancock for the strategy on innoculating the elderly first,think the JCVI were looking at a different strategy up to that point?many on here (and elsewhere) raised issues with government following that advice and wanted a different strategy. As I say, if the roll out had fucked up would people be blaming the NHS/JVCI ?! Of course they wouldn’t, and nor should they. The government made the final decisions
So if scientific advice now is to remain in lockdown untii all adults have 2 jabs youd demand this is what the government should do?
Have they not said just this week that vaccination has already prevented 12000 death's?
Can't help but think step 4 will be delayed I'm afraid .
Hancock doesn't exactly sound upbeat
Fucking tragic
Those sitting comfortably comparing Boris to a mass murderer for letting people go to a restaurant will be delighted
Obviously, fucking blurts
Estimated that 10% of UK restaurants have closed down now, other hospitality will be in a similar state. I cannot believe I am finding myself hoping against hope that Boris Johnson sticks to his guns
I agree mate
The media thrive off negativity
Sophie ridge now talking to Hancock, they are talking numbers like 1200 cases of the Indian variant .
Hancock is saying its more transmissible but the vaccine shows evidence of working effectively against it .
Now putting across spin words like , careful, a race against the strain , hopeful .
It's all very fucking depressing with a touch of logic thrown in
I've had enough of it all now tbh
That would be a real shameSaw earlier that Coombe Abbey was only granted a final loan on the assumption that it would be able to get hotel guests in for late May onwards. We push things back further and it'll go to the wall.
Hoping to get a vaccine message soon .
I wonder if the next lot will be 37 to 37 and a half because as its getting closer to me the age range gets fucking smaller
Hancock said it'll be 35+ from next week. I hope 30+ is not long after
Il drink it I'm that desperate to fucking get it done
Reading the SAGE reports I think the media are overstating what they are suggesting.Can't help but think step 4 will be delayed I'm afraid .
Sorry Steve, but regardless of how nuanced decisions are, we have time and again made decisions too late. India were only 100,000 per day on April 4th, we waiting until the 23rd April days before adding them to the red list. Pakistan and Bangladesh were both added to the red list on the 9th April, both have large populations living in the UK.Sums up O’Brien, he’s a prick....probably mentions brexit somewhere as well ?
There is no doubt if youre being cautious you stop flights from India earlier, I personally would have. However, this is also not binary....we live in country that has a high Indian population. Even now all Heathrow red list hotels are full and they’re moving people to Gatwick hotels. So, basically we would’ve been saying stay in India where everyone’s getting covid and hospitals are overflowing ?
Ps a quote I’ve heard today about a majority of the Bolton hospital Covid inpatients are that they are between 35-65 and ‘have not received a vaccination dose but many are eligible’. WTF are you supposed to do about that ?!
Sorry Steve, but regardless of how nuanced decisions are, we have time and again made decisions too late. India were only 100,000 per day on April 4th, we waiting until the 23rd April days before adding them to the red list. Pakistan and Bangladesh were both added to the red list on the 9th April, both have large populations living in the UK.
At the time India had twice the infection rate of Bangladesh q and nfection rate of Pakistan.
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Surely they can have them in from tomorrow?Saw earlier that Coombe Abbey was only granted a final loan on the assumption that it would be able to get hotel guests in for late May onwards. We push things back further and it'll go to the wall.
Any views on the tens of thousands that have died from the Tories repeatedly making the same mistakes? Or are deaths only important when it’s an opportunity to bash the EU?We also did not participate in the failed EU procurement programme and went alone on tbe 12 week gap which has been a game changer.
Those decisions have put us miles ahead of europe and have saved many many lives have they not? And lets be honest if they had banned india flights earlier but the procurement strategy failed along with the 12 week gap youd be slaughtering them
Hancock said more testing so Pakistan and Bangladesh more dangerous on 9th April. Sounded like absolute bolloxSorry Steve, but regardless of how nuanced decisions are, we have time and again made decisions too late. India were only 100,000 per day on April 4th, we waiting until the 23rd April days before adding them to the red list. Pakistan and Bangladesh were both added to the red list on the 9th April, both have large populations living in the UK.
At the time India had twice the infection rate of Bangladesh q and nfection rate of Pakistan.
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Hancock said more testing so Pakistan and Bangladesh more dangerous on 9th April. Sounded like absolute bollox
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