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clint van damme said:
You can't just pluck trained medical staff out of thin air though.
Even in hospitals they are using non ICU specialist nurses because there aren't enough specialist nurses to go round and they're having to treat 3 patients per nurse when it's usually one on one.

The underfunding chickens are coming home to roost unfortunately.
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This is what happens when you cut nursing bursaries and the things that go with it. People literally CANNOT AFFORD to train to become a nurse.
 
Ian1779 said:
This is what happens when you cut nursing bursaries and the things that go with it. People literally CANNOT AFFORD to train to become a nurse.
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We've been fucking up nursing recruitment for years from what I can tell. Saw something saying that Trusts had to show tight financial control at some point and the easiest way to do that was to just cut the nurse training places and just hire bank staff/immigrants. So the places dried up.

Now of course we've just told all those immigrant nurses to fuck off home.

Nick said:
Let them get it then.

The massive majority of the country is locked down to protect the small minority of people who would be hospitalised by COVID. The strictest lockdown measures should have been on them all along.
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You've been pushing this argument for ages and it's nonsense. We aren't locking down 'to protect the old people' we're locking down to ensure we have a health service at all and to protect the economy (people don't go out when there's a killer virus about lockdown or not - you want people to start spending/working you've got to make them feel safe by reducing the virus). And because if we let the virus run rampant it'll make vaccination and treatment harder.
 
Liquid Gold said:
This is good on our part but we need everyone to vaccinate to open the world back up

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Say what you want about the Tories and Brexit, but generally I've always been proud that British people don't buy into bullshit easily. It's protected us from fascism and now anti-vax nonsense. Makes me proud.
 
shmmeee said:
Say what you want about the Tories and Brexit, but generally I've always been proud that British people don't buy into bullshit easily. It's protected us from fascism and now anti-vax nonsense. Makes me proud.
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Yep, there was an article on BBC earlier about some of the misinformation going around, with a lot being religiously targeted, which might explain some figures outside of the UK too
www.bbc.co.uk

Covid: Fake news 'causing UK South Asians to reject jab'

The NHS fears some communities are being targeted with misinformation, a leading doctor says.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
 
My Covid plan is really simple - stop people from getting coronavirus. If people are already in hospital with it, just make them better again. It's common sense, and I don't understand why the government hasn't done it yet, really getting pissed off with this now.
 
clint van damme said:
You can't just pluck trained medical staff out of thin air though.
Even in hospitals they are using non ICU specialist nurses because there aren't enough specialist nurses to go round and they're having to treat 3 patients per nurse when it's usually one on one.

The underfunding chickens are coming home to roost unfortunately.
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When the Nightingale Hospitals were built all local hospitals were instructed to send a proportion of their staff off to be trained to work in them when they became functional. No one extra was employed to staff them (as far as I am aware) so hospitals lost staff while they went off and got trained, and then had to prepare for the loss of the same staff when they became operational.
The problem is not building new hospitals, or temporary facilities to look after patients, it's staffing them, and that is due to many factors already identified on this thread. One of the biggest problems with regards to recruitment into the NHS is that it is no longer seen as an attractive career option, long hours, authoritarian management, poor pay (relative to the hard work it takes to train), poor work conditions, a blame culture that pervades throughout the NHS to name just a few of the issues.
All too often the people who work in the NHS are exploited by the management of the hospitals, and their selfless nature taken advantage of by way of 'guilt tripping' them into accepting things that they really should not have to.
No wonder the NHS is loosing staff hand over fist.
 
shmmeee said:
Say what you want about the Tories and Brexit, but generally I've always been proud that British people don't buy into bullshit easily. It's protected us from fascism and now anti-vax nonsense. Makes me proud.
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To be fair, vaccine science started in this country, along with Dr Fleming and his penicillin. We've had the longest exposure to seeing the good that they can do and the robustness behind them. France being as low as 39% is horrendous
 
shmmeee said:
We've been fucking up nursing recruitment for years from what I can tell. Saw something saying that Trusts had to show tight financial control at some point and the easiest way to do that was to just cut the nurse training places and just hire bank staff/immigrants. So the places dried up.

Now of course we've just told all those immigrant nurses to fuck off home.



You've been pushing this argument for ages and it's nonsense. We aren't locking down 'to protect the old people' we're locking down to ensure we have a health service at all and to protect the economy (people don't go out when there's a killer virus about lockdown or not - you want people to start spending/working you've got to make them feel safe by reducing the virus). And because if we let the virus run rampant it'll make vaccination and treatment harder.
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Aren't the old people and the people with bad health conditions most likely to have to go into hospital though?
 
Back up to 55761 those pesky members of the public

Over 1000 deaths again

Oh well maybe it’s increasing again.

This is what 80000 people looks like
 

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
The problem is if the hospitals are saturated with patients just for COVID it leaves them unable to manage everyone else.
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Exactly, so if old people and people are likely to be hospitalised by it stay at home, see nobody, lock their doors then they won't get it and won't need to go to hospital....
 
Nick said:
Exactly, so if old people and people are likely to be hospitalised by it stay at home, see nobody, lock their doors then they won't get it and won't need to go to hospital....
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Until when?
 
Nick said:
Aren't the old people and the people with bad health conditions most likely to have to go into hospital though?
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What criteria are you using here as 'bad health conditions'? Are you using those in vaccine priority group 4 which is clinically extremely vulnerable, or group 6 which is at-risk or anyone who would be classed as having a pre-existing condition on the ONS covid death stats?
 
chiefdave said:
What criteria are you using here as 'bad health conditions'? Are you using those in vaccine priority group 4 which is clinically extremely vulnerable, or group 6 which is at-risk or anyone who would be classed as having a pre-existing condition on the ONS covid death stats?
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Anybody who is at high risk of being hospitalised or to die from it and they know they are at risk.
 
Nick said:
As long as it takes, until their vaccine is fully working.

It's all well and good police stopping people going for walks in the woods. They should be stopping people over a certain age that have left the house.
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They released covid patients in to care homes. Don't think they're going to give a fuck about people walking in the woods
 
Nick said:
Exactly, so if old people and people are likely to be hospitalised by it stay at home, see nobody, lock their doors then they won't get it and won't need to go to hospital....
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you mean like we did with care homes first wave? How did that work out?
 
Liquid Gold said:
Would be 2 and a quarter million a week. I'm wondering if for any reason it would go down at the weekend or on Sunday though?
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I don’t know the numbers on those, the folks I know administering it are still doing weekends but might not be the case everywhere.
 
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I don’t know the numbers on those, the folks I know administering it are still doing weekends but might not be the case everywhere.
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They are open weekends

Issue is stock though and can they keep it coming in
 
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