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Ring Of Steel said:
Rees Mogg has to be hidden, I think he'd be lynched if he showed his face after it emerged that his company (15% ownership I think) will make billions off the back of other peoples' suffering.

Patel is a total mystery, she's just disappeared completely and only tweets the odd "stay at home" stuff, which is usually responded to by a torrent of abuse along the lines of "where are you"
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Regarding Rees Mogg again you accuse others of reading the headline which is all you’ve done
 
Ring Of Steel said:
Rees Mogg has to be hidden, I think he'd be lynched if he showed his face after it emerged that his company (15% ownership I think) will make billions off the back of other peoples' suffering.

Patel is a total mystery, she's just disappeared completely and only tweets the odd "stay at home" stuff, which is usually responded to by a torrent of abuse along the lines of "where are you"
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It's not a mystery why Patel has disappeared.

The very people she described as unskilled are now the people we are depending on.

She'd get the mother of all grillings if they put her in front of the cameras.

It's a shame, because I'd love to see her try and defend her prior stance.
 
David O'Day said:
Not really what I've seen.
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Well then we disagree, reports from Italy and Spain 2 or 3 weeks a go we’re painting a very bleak picture
indeed, I’m definitely not picking up the same sombre tone in the reporting of our own battle.
 
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Grendel said:
Regarding Rees Mogg again you accuse others of reading the headline which is all you’ve done
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You can research it if you like, its factual. As for the rest, not sure what your angle is- our reporting is weird and skewed, and people shouldn't have huge knee jerk reactions to one day's data. Different points.
 
PVA said:
It's not a mystery why Patel has disappeared.

The very people she described as unskilled are now the people we are depending on.

She'd get the mother of all grillings if they put her in front of the cameras.

It's a shame, because I'd love to see her try and defend her prior stance.
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But how could she defend it? How could she defend the deportation letters that were going out to people who we are now relying on to save lives? And the hugely embarrassing letters which had to follow extending peoples' right to remain in the country because they're NHS workers?

I obviously don't know if this is the reason she's being kept under wraps, but you're right that if she went up in front of the cameras she would face some very awkward questions for which she wouldn't really have an answer.
 
Ring Of Steel said:
It’s .

Patel is a total mystery, she's just disappeared completely and only tweets the odd "stay at home" stuff, which is usually responded to by a torrent of abuse along the lines of "where are you"
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I assume your attack on Patel is due to the colour of her skin?
 
chiefdave said:
The likes of Patel and Rees-Mogg shouldn't be in prominent positions if every time there's a spotlight on the government, such as now and the election campaign, they have to be hidden away.
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Boris himself was also hidden during the election.
 
Wow. Just WOW.

Looks like the mental health of many on here has deteriorated badly during a soft lockdown.

And things like this thread does harm in the battle against racism. Boris is a twat for listening to advice. Racism against Khan for mentioning he listened to advice. Scottish health adviser a twat for going to her holiday home. Racism against the Asian MP for mentioning he joined about 100 people at a funeral. It gives the racists ammunition. Just treat everyone the same. A little secret some people don't seem to understand. Black or white. Singh or Smith. We are all the same. But idiots infuriate other idiots.

Yes call people out for what they do. But please try and be consistent. It shouldn't be working out if someone is black or white. It shouldn't be working out if someone is Muslim, Christian or even atheist. An idiot is an idiot.

I hold my hands up. I am an idiot. Not posted since last month. Continued to read the diatribe on here though. What a fuckfest. But you learn from watching agendas unfurl. I have renewed respect for certain people on here. But others have confirmed my thoughts of them.

Sorry about a long post. But I am glad I have kept away from this opinionated bullshit.
 
Ring Of Steel said:
But how could she defend it? How could she defend the deportation letters that were going out to people who we are now relying on to save lives? And the hugely embarrassing letters which had to follow extending peoples' right to remain in the country because they're NHS workers?

I obviously don't know if this is the reason she's being kept under wraps, but you're right that if she went up in front of the cameras she would face some very awkward questions for which she wouldn't really have an answer.
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Patel turns down committee appearance four times
 
Grendel said:
As you say there is no procurement EU service, the US purchase is a US order placed some time ago - so it’s ironic James is now taking Mr trumps word as gospel and what’s more likely is he’s cancelling the orders as it seems is happening bwrerrn turkey and Spain - and other than Germany every country is short - regarding scrutiny that’s the job of real journalists at the daily briefings - perhaps he can get in and out forward a question
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He perpetrated some absolute bullshit during the Brexit debate which was a shame because he was spot on with a lot of what he said.
When I tweeted to point a couple of things out I got jumped on by the FBPE mob.

I tried pointing out that I thought Brexit was going to be a shit show so there was no need for bullshit and they were just giving ammo to the project fear argument but I was wasting my time.
 
Otis said:
I wouldn't believe anything 'official' that the Russian government told you.
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I wouldn't believe anything official from anywhere. Maybe Spain has been truthful. But numbers are just that. Numbers.

Some call China out as being untruthful. I agree. But I don't believe the numbers from elsewhere.
 
While the rest of the country has pretty effortlessly switched to working from home it seems MPs need an extra £10K in expenses allowance to do the same. At the same time rules will be relaxed so they don't need to provide any proof of what the money they claim has been spent on. Can't see any chance of that system being abused.

All while criticising footballers for not taking a pay cut.
 
chiefdave said:
While the rest of the country has pretty effortlessly switched to working from home it seems MPs need an extra £10K in expenses allowance to do the same. At the same time rules will be relaxed so they don't need to provide any proof of what the money they claim has been spent on. Can't see any chance of that system being abused.

All while criticising footballers for not taking a pay cut.
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Yeah I saw that but found it hard to believe, is it right? And is that all MPs across parties?

Someone on twitter put up a link to all declared payments received by all MPs in the last year, it was a big old document and it came to £millions, its actually obscene, the question is how come footballers became the target of all the moral objections
 
Grendel said:
Perhaps Zarah Sultana is with her
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Did find it amusing that after all the outrage at Sultana for saying BME backgrounds were disproportionately impacted the BBC has this morning been giving hourly coverage to the same story without any criticism.
 
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Ring Of Steel said:
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You're criticised her. I put up a link to a Mp attending a funeral of 100 people and accused me of having racist undertones in my criticism
 
It pisses me off about the lack of ventilators but that I don't think specifically is a Tory fault, it's a systemic procurement failure. NHS Supply Chains work on pretty much a JIT basis, as brought in by the outgoing Labour government in 2010 when they privatised PASA and awarded a contract to DHL (a logistics company is the obvious choice for a JIT model tbf). It just isn't responsive enough to surges in demand and doesn't have any stockholding either. Completely reliant on the market to deliver quickly which is obviously a problem at the minute: https://wwwmedia.supplychain.nhs.uk/media/Ventilator-central-letter-13-March-2020.pdf
 
chiefdave said:
Did find it amusing that after all the outrage at Sultana for saying BME backgrounds were disproportionately impacted the BBC has this morning been covering hourly coverage to the same story without any criticism.
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I showed tbe same on this thread and was accused of racism

I think her desire to see the Israel PM dead is somewhat more serious however
 
fernandopartridge said:
It pisses me off about the lack of ventilators but that I don't think specifically is a Tory fault, it's a systemic procurement failure. NHS Supply Chains work on pretty much a JIT basis, as brought in by the outgoing Labour government in 2010 when they privatised PASA and awarded a contract to DHL (a logistics company is the obvious choice for a JIT model tbf). It just isn't responsive enough to surges in demand and doesn't have any stockholding either. Completely reliant on the market to deliver quickly which is obviously a problem at the minute: https://wwwmedia.supplychain.nhs.uk/media/Ventilator-central-letter-13-March-2020.pdf
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Excellent and grown up point and a lesson to be learned
 
Grendel said:
Excellent and grown up point and a lesson to be learned
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And to be fair and brutally honest, that model is in line with all conventional practice really. Who buys stuff they don't yet need especially machines with time limited warranties etc.
 
Grendel said:
You're criticised her. I put up a link to a Mp attending a funeral of 100 people and accused me of having racist undertones in my criticism
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Jeez- people need to stop being so butthurt by things people come out with on a football message board, nobody knows whats going on, its a clusterfuck in real life and even more so on here, and if everyone is gonna store up nasty things that people say about them and brood about them then I'll be contacting Rees Mogg's old company myself to get recommended buying tips in the Psychiatry sector- they'll clean up.

So for the record- any insults or taunts by me, hearty apologies. I will buy everyone a beer who I offended once this is over :)

... well apart from The Lurker, who despite having perhaps the best username I have seen, seems to be something of a troubled individual.
 
Ring Of Steel said:
Jeez- people need to stop being so butthurt by things people come out with on a football message board, nobody knows whats going on, its a clusterfuck in real life and even more so on here, and if everyone is gonna store up nasty things that people say about them and brood about them then I'll be contacting Rees Mogg's old company myself to get recommended buying tips in the Psychiatry sector- they'll clean up.

So for the record- any insults or taunts by me, hearty apologies. I will buy everyone a beer who I offended once this is over :)

... well apart from The Lurker, who despite having perhaps the best username I have seen, seems to be something of a troubled individual.
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Im hardly hurt and I think history will tell you I really don’t care what anyone else thinks about me

I do, however, think lazy accusations of racist intent help to fuel racism by causing resentment and justification
 
Grendel said:
Im hardly hurt and I think history will tell you I really don’t care what anyone else thinks about me

I do, however, think lazy accusations of racist intent help to fuel racism by causing resentment and justification
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I'm not really concerned either, which I think can be both a strength and a weakness.
 
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