Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (28 Viewers)

[hill83]

 

[Nick]

Not sure why you're so obsessed with thinking this government wants lockdowns.

They've consistently left the decision until way too late in order to try and keep things open until the situation has got so bad it's unavoidable.

Their donors and mates want things open so they can make more money.

We get you don't like lockdowns. That doesn't make it some massive conspiracy.

Can you point out where I have said conspiracy?

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

I'm sure someone asked before regarding hospital admissions but I can't find it.......how many of the 8k in hospital were actually admitted with covid compared to those that caught it in there or are just asymptomatic but simply tested +ve?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Can you point out where I have said conspiracy?

You practically accused the government of making up the death statistics as an excuse to bring lockdowns back

 

[Nick]

You practically accused the government of making up the death statistics as an excuse to bring lockdowns back

I said numbers could be massaged or spun to push things.

I also said now we have had lockdowns that people are more accepting of them and used to them.

 

[COV]

The plan seems to be to offer them and then annually ruin everything anyway

what does this mean?

 

[COV]

What would the government have to gain by enforcing lockdowns?

Exactly- been reading and you have Earlsdon basically saying that the govt want to deviously force people to accept lockdowns so that they can do it at the drop of a hat at any time.

What would they gain from doing that?

 

[SBT]

I said numbers could be massaged or spun to push things.

So in this case, who are you suggesting would be massaging the numbers, and to what end?

 

[Nick]

So in this case, who are you suggesting would be massaging the numbers, and to what end?

The media certainly spin them to push political agendas.
The govt will also be spinning them / manipulating them to suit. Whether it's delaying figures etc.

Again, why are people spending so much time saying how the government are liars and don't do anything right but then trust that as gospel?

 

[fernandopartridge]

I'm sure someone asked before regarding hospital admissions but I can't find it.......how many of the 8k in hospital were actually admitted with covid compared to those that caught it in there or are just asymptomatic but simply tested +ve?

NHS England publish them; https://www.england.nhs.uk/statisti...09/Primary-Diagnosis-Supplement-20210902.xlsx

These are England figures only

On 31 August of the 6057 people in hospital with a covid diagnosis, 4601 were in there because of covid primarily (75%)

Assuming 75% as a rule of thumb then of the 8k in hospital with a covid diagnosis, 6k are there because of covid primarily.

The numbers with a diagnosis is important as more people in hospital with covid = greater risk of other non covid patients in hospital catching it

 

[fernandopartridge]

The media certainly spin them to push political agendas.
The govt will also be spinning them / manipulating them to suit. Whether it's delaying figures etc.

Again, why are people spending so much time saying how the government are liars and don't do anything right but then trust that as gospel?

The numbers are published by NHS England. The UK has some of the most open data in the world on covid hospital activity

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

The media certainly spin them to push political agendas.
The govt will also be spinning them / manipulating them to suit. Whether it's delaying figures etc.

Again, why are people spending so much time saying how the government are liars and don't do anything right but then trust that as gospel?

So the govt is actively suggesting loads of people are dying on thier watch from Covid that actually aren't to make people stay at home and shut things?

Yep, I can see how that would increase their popularity and make them look good.

 

[COV]

Keep it going, this is about to become the biggest thread overtaking the brexit one

 

[SBT]

The media certainly spin them to push political agendas.
The govt will also be spinning them / manipulating them to suit. Whether it's delaying figures etc.

Again, why are people spending so much time saying how the government are liars and don't do anything right but then trust that as gospel?

The government don't publish the figures but OK

You still haven't said why either the media or the government would want to spin the figures. Do either one of those want another lockdown? Or is there a more simple explanation for the numbers being what they are?

 

[hill83]

The numbers are published by NHS England. The UK has some of the most open data in the world on covid hospital activity

“Yeah but…”

 

[Sky_Blue_Daz]

Test came back as positive

Only test I’ve ever passed first time in my life

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

what does this mean?

Well I assume they plan to force businesses to close again and for schoolchildren to be masked up

 

[COV]

Well I assume they plan to force businesses to close again and for schoolchildren to be masked up

why?

 

[ajsccfc]

Good old Matt, just saying what the silent majority who are unaware you can get a flu jab at a supermarket are thinking

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

why?

When the tide of public opinion turns in that direction

 

[COV]

When the tide of public opinion turns in that direction

do you think it will? I can't see people yearning another lockdown myself

 

[hill83]

few bits I’ve read suggest there is a strong support for lockdown again. Daily mail though so fuck knows

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

do you think it will? I can't see people yearning another lockdown myself

They might as and when deaths start to shoot back up.

 

[hill83]

I’m not having it personally. Jabbed up, didn’t want to as I’m a fanny around needles. Done my bit. I’ll be devastated

 

[clint van damme]

Test came back as positive

Only test I’ve ever passed first time in my life

Hopefully you and your family only get mild symptoms Daz.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

few bits I’ve read suggest there is a strong support for lockdown again. Daily mail though so fuck knows

Daily Mail always needs a pinch of salt, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was true whatsoever.

 

[hill83]

Controversial but if you’ve not had the jab and catch it now you can swivel. Think I’ve said that previously anyway.

I’ve also had a beer today so should probably leave it.

Edit: If you’ve had sufficient opportunity to have it of course

 

[Sky_Blue_Daz]

Wife and me both work for nhs and are double jabbed

Daughter was supposed to have herjab on Friday

Feels like a really heavy cold

 

[chiefdave]

few bits I’ve read suggest there is a strong support for lockdown again. Daily mail though so fuck knows

Would be useful to know what question was asked.

Do you support lockdown if cases, hospitalisations and deaths stay at the level they are now is a very different question to would you support restrictions if cases, hospitalisations and deaths rose rapidly.

 

[Kieranp96]

Pi read somewhere like 3 days ago that the goverment are discussing just stopping testing and going as if it's the flue now lockdown? I might just get my visa here in Hungary and stay with my misses .

 

[hill83]

Would be useful to know what question was asked.

Do you support lockdown if cases, hospitalisations and deaths stay at the level they are now is a very different question to would you support restrictions if cases, hospitalisations and deaths rose rapidly.

Say yes to wanting lockdown and we’ll sink an immigrant boat in the channel and give you 3 scratch cards.

Edit: possibly too far, calling it a day ha ha

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Say yes to wanting lockdown and we’ll sink an immigrant boat in the channel and give you 3 scratch cards.

Edit: possibly too far, calling it a day ha ha

Coventrian will sink them for free

 

[Nick]

Say yes to wanting lockdown and we’ll sink an immigrant boat in the channel and give you 3 scratch cards.

Edit: possibly too far, calling it a day ha ha

Which scratch cards? The £5 ones or £1?

 

[hill83]

Which scratch cards? The £5 ones or £1?

Already said I went too far don’t make it worse

 

[Sky_Blue_Daz]

I’m using my time off by watching all the marvel films in timeline order, full partridge and I’ve even got a bottle of sunny D