Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (28 Viewers)

[Deleted member 5849]

The concern would be we haven't come close to getting the numbers down as low as last summer. The hope would be that the vaccines will mean that isn't as big a problem as last year.

Find the unwillingness to push the button on boosters odd given that we supposedly had them on order months ago so supply isn't an issue and the data from elsewhere shows it brings cases down.

Given we can have terrible weather until the end of April, maybe there is sense in waiting until people are forced indoors, to make sure they last for long enough.

(Or maybe they have the same delivery problems the flu vaccine has!)

 

[wingy]

Wouldn't wish it on anyone. Not even Mowbray haters.

But at least now we won't take life for granted. Although after time you start to forget I guess but I have this thread to remind me lol

You've been through the mixer mate.
Not a pleasant place at all.
I think many prayers were sent on your behalf.
Best of news round here.

 

[BackRoomRummermill]

Wouldn't wish it on anyone. Not even Mowbray haters.

But at least now we won't take life for granted. Although after time you start to forget I guess but I have this thread to remind me lol

so true buddy - every day really is a blessing - is it really worth shouting at some one with road rage - is it worth be horrible to a shop assistant is it worth being petty - no to all -go steady

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

Now that all under 18s and all double jabbed no longer have to isolate.....what's the actual point of mass testing in schools.....other than to induce panic when the case figures inevitably rise?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Now that all under 18s and all double jabbed no longer have to isolate.....what's the actual point of mass testing in schools.....other than to induce panic when the case figures inevitably rise?

Well you say panic... cases rise, hospitalisations don't, would be a very reassuring thing to happen!

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

Well you say panic... cases rise, hospitalisations don't, would be a very reassuring thing to happen!

True.....it just seems a rather pointless & costly excercise to constanlty test to find asymptomatic cases in children who are at no risk from it, and whose siblings, parents, classmates & all their other contacts can crack on regardless anyway......

.....I already know of a few parents who are getting their kids to swerve all testing unless they've actually got symptoms to avoid anymore unecessary disruption to their eductation....

 

[Deleted member 5849]

True.....it just seems a rather pointless & costly excercise to constanlty test to find asymptomatic cases in children who are at no risk from it, and whose siblings, parents, classmates & all their other contacts can crack on regardless anyway......

.....I already know of a few parents who are getting their kids to swerve all testing unless they've actually got symptoms to avoid anymore unecessary disruption to their eductation....

I suppose I see what you're saying, and there's no doubt the government advice is contradictory all-round. I can think of one practical personal reason where it would be handy however, that Mrs Wisdom's mum has taken on child minding duties again, but is clinically extremely vulnerable with a seriously depressed immune system. Some kind of notice so her granddaughter can be withdrawn from her care would be handy...

I suspect however, paying for childminding for such cases would be cheaper than testing everybody! But... the way to know we're on top of this is to show that it can circulate... much as flu.

(Where, incidentally, is the Covid-sip? That's surely the way to total freedom? Got a spot of Covid? Get your antiviral at Boots or through the post!)

 

[Sky_Blue_Daz]

So chances of another lockdown increasing

I’m currently self isolating And working from home as my daughter has tested positive on a lateral flow and took a pcr yesterday and currently waiting on results.

I’m going for a pcr later as I’ve developed a cough tickly throat and a blocked nose

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

So chances of another lockdown increasing

I’m currently self isolating And working from home as my daughter has tested positive on a lateral flow and took a pcr yesterday and currently waiting on results.

I’m going for a pcr later as I’ve developed a cough tickly throat and a blocked nose

Hope it’s nothing daz

 

[Ccfcisparks]

October lockdown, thoughts?

 

[Sky_Blue_Daz]

October lockdown, thoughts?

Personally I think a lockdown between December and January would be better

 

[Nick]

October lockdown, thoughts?

It can fuck off.

If the majority have the jabs or antibodies then why is it needed?

 

[Sky_Blue_Daz]

Hope it’s nothing daz

Cheers mate , not sure if it’s just a cold to be fair, aching muscles and ribs too
Daughters lost her sense of taste and the wife’s lost her sense of humour

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Personally I think a lockdown between December and January would be better

But it'll depend entirely on how things pan out with cases, hospitalisations, deaths...

There might not even be anything, or that might be one from November until March- it's currently not possible to say.

What's best, surely, is to hold tight and watch what happens, for better or worse.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

But it'll depend entirely on how things pan out with cases, hospitalisations, deaths...

There might not even be anything, or that might be one from November until March- it's currently not possible to say.

What's best, surely, is to hold tight and watch what happens, for better or worse.

And to plan

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

Surely its time to be hitting the most elderly & vulnerable with a 3rd jab? My wifes grandmas in her 90s and had her 2nd vaccine way back in the day, when vaccines were still shiny, new & coveted things.....

...seems a bit mental to now plough headlong into winter with the 20 somethings brimming full of fresh strong newly injected antibodies while all the most vulnerable have waning protection.....

Common sense would be to give them all a booster alongside the flu jab.....assuming the flu jab arrives that is...

 

[SBT]

It can fuck off.

If the majority have the jabs or antibodies then why is it needed?

If hospitals get overwhelmed regardless because too many people won’t get vaccinated then I can see the case for it - obviously wouldn’t be happy about it.

Given that most of us have done our part in getting the vaccine, then it’s going to start a pretty serious debate about whether we should all have our freedoms curtailed for the sake of other people’s freedom not to get jabbed.

 

[chiefdave]

Common sense would be to give them all a booster alongside the flu jab.....assuming the flu jab arrives that is...

That was the original plan. I made my parents flu jab appointments as soon as they were accepting bookings for that reason. Now it seems they won't be doing the 'one in each arm' which, assuming eventually they will say boosters are needed, just seems to be creating more work as people will need two appointments, one for flu, one for covid.

Given we can view data from other countries, for both waning protection and the impact of boosters, I don't understand the delay. Are we going to wait until cases & hospitalisations start going up rapidly and then be in a rush to get the boosters to those who need them?

Of course this all relies on the supply chain working which seems to be a bit of an issue at the moment.

 

[chiefdave]

If hospitals get overwhelmed regardless because too many people won’t get vaccinated then I can see the case for it - obviously wouldn’t be happy about it.

The problem is we're starting from a point where the NHS was already underfunded and having a crisis every winter. When was there last a winter without reports of hospitals turning patients away because they were full and ambulances queuing outside A&E? That gives you very little room to work with. A slight uptick in covid hospitalisations could create a major issue.

That's before you even consider the backlog. I finally had tests last week that have been postponed multiple times in the last 18 months. Next week, fingers crossed, I get to see the consultant and hopefully find out what treatment I need. Last thing I need now is to find out what I need and then the NHS be overwhelmed and not be able to access the required services.

Is there an element here of you can't have it all ways? People don't want to wear masks, they don't want social distancing, they don't want access to hospitality & events restricted, they don't want lockdowns. You can't just standby and watch as the NHS gets overwhelmed.

In any case assume this is all precautionary and hopefully won't be needed. Better to have a plan in place then wait until we're at crisis point and start discussing what to do.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Better to have a plan in place then wait until we're at crisis point and start discussing what to do.

Indeed.

What government could do first if they're worried, is introduce their vaccine passports post-haste, and mandate mask wearing on trains and in supermarkets again, along with some kind of guidance about how office working for the sake of office working is all a bit pointless.

That would be a small step to head off a nuclear option, if they thought that was a real possibility...

 

[hill83]

I’m fully expecting another lockdown so going to the pub as often as I can now.

 

[Nick]

As I said months ago, now people are used to lockdowns they will be much quicker to bring them in.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

As I said months ago, now people are used to lockdowns they will be much quicker to bring them in.

Well that's just absurd bollocks. They'll bring them in if medical advice recommends it, and government filters said advice as in their interest, and also the national interest.

 

[Nick]

Well that's just absurd bollocks. They'll bring them in if medical advice recommends it, and government filters said advice as in their interest, and also the national interest.

It's not absurd, now people are used to them and things are more in place to bring them in they will be less hesitant to do it.

The medical advice recommends getting double jabbed, what's the point if we end up back at square one in lockdown anyway?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

And to plan

When is a plan not a plan? Covid: No plans for October lockdown, says government

 

[Deleted member 7943]

October lockdown, thoughts?

2 weeks isn't it? Don't mind that

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

As I said months ago, now people are used to lockdowns they will be much quicker to bring them in.

Why do you think it came out now? It softens people up, even if the government quickly reacted and tried to rubbish it. Someone leaked it, and I'm pretty sure it will happen.

It's never going to end. The vaccine war is the latest thing to use as a stick to divide people with. Looking at Israel, it's quite interesting to see how that is unfolding. Double jabbed people are not really considered fully vaccinated anymore.

 

[TomRad85]

October lockdown, thoughts?

Its a no from me

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[COV]

Why do you think it came out now? It softens people up, even if the government quickly reacted and tried to rubbish it. Someone leaked it, and I'm pretty sure it will happen.

It's never going to end. The vaccine war is the latest thing to use as a stick to divide people with. Looking at Israel, it's quite interesting to see how that is unfolding. Double jabbed people are not really considered fully vaccinated anymore.

What is the "vaccine war?"

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

What is the "vaccine war?"

Blaming the virus on people that have not have the jab, or those that have only had one jab, soon to be those that have only had two jabs.

If you cannot see that this is never going to end on its current path, then I'm afraid I can't help you.

 

[COV]

Blaming the virus on people that have not have the jab, or those that have only had one jab, soon to be those that have only had two jabs.

If you cannot see that this is never going to end on its current path, then I'm afraid I can't help you.

Just to be clear, if ever I did need help, you would be the last person I would be approaching for it.

No time for the mass conspiracy theory bullshit.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

What is the "vaccine war?"

There was a purported one with the EU over vaccine supply.

Also an ongoing one over several years (MMR was the main 'battleground'), where public health officials have to battle with dangerous disinformation about vaccines, to show that they are indeed worthwhile, while nutters release information to the contrary under the auspices of a research akin to a David Icke style.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Just to be clear, if ever I did need help, you would be the last person I would be approaching for it.

No time for the mass conspiracy theory bullshit.

That post is just empty nonsense really.

Again, calling something a conspiracy theory because you can't argue against it coherently is just nonsense.

Why could we be facing another lockdown? I guess you will just accept it lying down anyway. The vaccine needs boosters, as we are seeing in Israel. The most advanced country on the rollout so far. That is fact, and we should use developments in other nations ahead of us and learn from it.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

There was a purported one with the EU over vaccine supply.

Also an ongoing one over several years (MMR was the main 'battleground'), where public health officials have to battle with dangerous disinformation about vaccines, to show that they are indeed worthwhile, while nutters release information to the contrary under the auspices of a research akin to a David Icke style.

It's difficult to put MMR in with Covid really. Apples and oranges in a way. One has been around for a while, the other is being used to plug a gap with a relatively unknown virus.

 

[COV]

That post is just empty nonsense really.

Again, calling something a conspiracy theory because you can't argue against it coherently is just nonsense.

Why could we be facing another lockdown? I guess you will just accept it lying down anyway. The vaccine needs boosters, as we are seeing in Israel. The most advanced country on the rollout so far. That is fact, and we should use developments in other nations ahead of us and learn from it.

Its curious how the conspiracy theorists claim to be 'free thinkers', but then parrot any old nonsense they see on their twitter feeds as gospel- because it feeds into the "they're trying to control us" narrative they're so desperate to believe, usually to plug some kind of gap in their own lives.