Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (27 Viewers)

[wingy]

Your child won’t get ill with COVID in all probability. They will almost certainly get the flu or a cold which will take them off school, no flu jab for them though

They shouldn't die or have a serious outcome but my 12yr old grandson is getting all the symptoms, out of breath just from kicking the football for a few minutes, an extremely fit sporty lad.

 

[Deleted member 7943]

Your child won’t get ill with COVID in all probability. They will almost certainly get the flu or a cold which will take them off school, no flu jab for them though

We've all got colds ATM, we obviously all thought we had covid lol , 4 tests each over several days , yea ...standard cold

 

[wingy]

We've all got colds ATM, we obviously all thought we had covid lol , 4 tests each over several days , yea ...standard cold

I'm not trying to be alarmist but have said a few times across this thread without knowing what the experts know but do wonder about the blindspot of it mutating to be lethal to children.
I wonder what we would do then and I don't just mean vaccination.
I mean the whole gamut.

 

[Deleted member 7943]

I'm not trying to be alarmist but have said a few times across this thread without knowing what the experts know but do wonder about the blindspot of it mutating to be lethal to children.
I wonder what we would do then and I don't just mean vaccination.
I mean the whole gamut.

I mean yes , if this was a development I the future then I think that's a different matter entirely

 

[wingy]

This really is amazing.

It certainly asks to the power these organisations have over Govts along with tech giants etc.
He was kind of damned for the outlay they had to make and win the contest.
He should have cancelled as his people wished.

 

[wingy]

We've all got colds ATM, we obviously all thought we had covid lol , 4 tests each over several days , yea ...standard cold

Now is it an old wives tale that if you have a cold it's not possible to pick up the virus.
Lots of colds and tonsillitis around.

 

[shmmeee]

That would be around 4 times more than regular occurance from normal infection

Not sure multipliers are helpful with figures this small TBF

 

[shmmeee]

From full fact 397 kids between 12-17 developed myocarditis .. from 8.9 million jabs .

That's 1 in 22,418

the problem with the data is it includes 16 and 17 year olds

I think with children it should be age specific .

Separated every year to see the potential risk from 12 -15 .

Just looked this up and this is me publicly debating with myself as much as anything not arguing with you, but 14 deaths from 9 million vaccines. Which is around 0.00015%

Of course myocarditis isn’t nothing but then I’d guess you have to compared to long COVID and ICU stays etc from COVID.

Finding child mortality data from Delta hard to find though so not sure what I’m comparing that with. Seen 0.3% reported but not clear if that’s mortality or ICU or of total deaths. Would like to see better data.

 

[wingy]

Just looked this up and this is me publicly debating with myself as much as anything not arguing with you, but 14 deaths from 9 million vaccines. Which is around 0.00015%

Of course myocarditis isn’t nothing but then I’d guess you have to compared to long COVID and ICU stays etc from COVID.

Finding child mortality data from Delta hard to find though so not sure what I’m comparing that with. Seen 0.3% reported but not clear if that’s mortality or ICU or of total deaths. Would like to see better data.

For reference do we know the current percentage mortality overall for the vaccinated population?

Just wondering if it may be comparible with that.

 

[shmmeee]

For reference do we know the current percentage mortality overall for the vaccinated population?

Just wondering if it may be comparible with that.

I don’t. I’ve seen lots of info graphics and comparisons with unvaccinated but not sure where easy to read straight numbers are. I get it’s not straightforward to calculate but still feels like the data needed to make informed decisions isn’t abundant.

 

[fernandopartridge]

The JCVI aren't making decisions on a public health basis. Their remit is looking at the benefits for an individual against the risks. The numbers they published gave a reasonable explanation.

As a wider point, not many people will have heard of the JCVI prior to the pandemic. Generally, the CMO was unknown. It's a disgrace how the mendacious scumbags in the cabinet make it appear that these independent advisors make the decisions.

 

[Sick Boy]

Looks like they’re going to be making vaccines compulsory for NHS staff.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Looks like they’re going to be making vaccines compulsory for NHS staff.

Like hepatitis

 

[Sick Boy]

Like hepatitis

Yeah, never heard of outrage and protests about that.

 

[chiefdave]

From full fact 397 kids between 12-17 developed myocarditis .. from 8.9 million jabs .

That's 1 in 22,418

This caught my eye so had a look at the report on full fact. For any parents out there that may have this decision to make probably worth highlighting some other parts of the piece.

A video on Facebook with thousands of views makes a number of claims about children and the Covid-19 Pfizer vaccine.

A voice in the video says: “In children between the age of 12 to 17 year old that took the Pfizer vaccine, we have 9,246 adverse reactions to the Pfizer vaccine…863 of those were serious events and we had 14 deaths with 397 reports of myocarditis.”

Based on these figures, the voice says: “I think you’ll agree that the Pfizer vaccine, for children, is an absolute disaster.”

This is misleading because it lacks context. The figures are from a study by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) about reported reactions after the Pfizer vaccine, but not necessarily to the Pfizer vaccine.

The figures have been extrapolated from self reported conditions on VAERS, the US equivalent of our yellow card system. This means none of the reports have been verified by a medical professional. If you believe the data reported on our yellow card system getting the vaccination has caused several women to become pregnant so its probably wise to view that data with caution.

we don’t know that VAERS reported symptoms were caused by the vaccine. The CDC concluded that the causes of death didn’t suggest they were due to the vaccinations, but that the exact causes of deaths for some of those who died is pending extra information.

It’s true that myocarditis does seem to be a “rare serious adverse event associated with receipt of mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccines” but it has not led to any confirmed deaths in children. Because these serious reports were so rare, the CDC still recommends that children aged 12 and over in the USA should get the vaccine to help protect against Covid-19.

 

[Deleted member 7943]

This caught my eye so had a look at the report on full fact. For any parents out there that may have this decision to make probably worth highlighting some other parts of the piece.

The figures have been extrapolated from self reported conditions on VAERS, the US equivalent of our yellow card system. This means none of the reports have been verified by a medical professional. If you believe the data reported on our yellow card system getting the vaccination has caused several women to become pregnant so its probably wise to view that data with caution.

Il probably just delay my daughter having it , and keep an eye out for the data over here when they start doing it and make a decision then

Il feel more confident that way

 

[chiefdave]

Il probably just delay my daughter having it , and keep an eye out for the data over here when they start doing it and make a decision then

Il feel more confident that way

Must be hard making decisions like this for your kids. None of us are experts and personally I have little confidence that the government are always acting in our best interests.

 

[stay_up_skyblues]

My Ex missus (daughter’s mum) and wife (son’s mum) have took what is a pretty tricky decision out of my hands… just hope it doesn’t mean cancelling the already postponed three times trip to Disney in April. I expect I will be told to go forth and bollocks regarding a refund if it’s purely the fact the kids aren’t jabbed that means we can’t go. Fingers crossed it still just needs negative tests all round.

 

[wingy]

So the passports idea rears it's head again.

Wouldn't have been simpler to introduce at the outset rather than now, under the pretext that it's related to seasonal factors?

 

[Sick Boy]

So the passports idea rears it's head again.

Wouldn't have been simpler to introduce at the outset rather than now, under the pretext that it's related to seasonal factors?

Yeah it doesn’t really make any sense whatsoever.

 

[CCFCSteve]

So the passports idea rears it's head again.

Wouldn't have been simpler to introduce at the outset rather than now, under the pretext that it's related to seasonal factors?

I think the timing was also due to wanting to give over 18s every chance of getting double jabbed before passports were implemented.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I think the timing was also due to wanting to give over 18s every chance of getting double jabbed before passports were implemented.

Yeah it's been warned for a fair while, almost like it was saying you can either do it yourself, or we'll... 'incentivise' you to do it.

 

[shmmeee]

Interesting take on the French vaccine passport scheme. Seems to have done the trick for a traditionally vaccine skeptic nation.

Macron gambled on coronavirus immunity passport — and won

The French president stuck his neck out, banking that the public would support his plan. And so far, it’s been a success.

www.politico.eu

 

[fernandopartridge]

Interesting take on the French vaccine passport scheme. Seems to have done the trick for a traditionally vaccine skeptic nation.

Macron gambled on coronavirus immunity passport — and won

The French president stuck his neck out, banking that the public would support his plan. And so far, it’s been a success.

www.politico.eu

Has France got a media as dysfunctional as the UK...

Here, it really is time the government went proactive and explicit in publicising the benefits of vaccination with reference to current hospitalisations and deaths. Eg (made up) "we've got X patients hospitalised in their 30s and they are 95% unvaccinated"
All the debate about 12-15 year olds seems to assume that the rest of the population is vaccinated when it isn't the case.

 

[CCFCSteve]

Has France got a media as dysfunctional as the UK...

Here, it really is time the government went proactive and explicit in publicising the benefits of vaccination with reference to current hospitalisations and deaths. Eg (made up) "we've got X patients hospitalised in their 30s and they are 95% unvaccinated"
All the debate about 12-15 year olds seems to assume that the rest of the population is vaccinated when it isn't the case.

Agreed Fernando, I said recently I don’t understand why some of the vaccination data isn’t pushed a lot harder. Let’s be honest most of the media won’t bother, especially when they can talk about rising cases and deaths but the government should be proactively getting this info out there.

 

[covcity4life]

Hey all

After the hardest 3 weeks of my life I am pleased to post that my wife is now HOME!

At one point 2 weeks ago they told she needed a c section and ventilator. They were not optimistic about her surviving really. Csnt explain to youb
that feeling When nurse tells you that they won't lie and your wife is critically ill

But God bless the NHS they saved her life by God's grace

Get jabbed people. But.more importantly don't take anyone for granted

Thank you all for your well wishes on this thread or chasing up on me in DM. I really appreicate it

Mrs covcity4life is back!

 

[Nick]

Hey all

After the hardest 3 weeks of my life I am pleased to post that my wife is now HOME!

At one point 2 weeks ago they told she needed a c section and ventilator. They were not optimistic about her surviving really. Csnt explain to youb
that feeling When nurse tells you that they won't lie and your wife is critically ill

But God bless the NHS they saved her life by God's grace

Get jabbed people. But.more importantly don't take anyone for granted

Thank you all for your well wishes on this thread or chasing up on me in DM. I really appreicate it

Mrs covicity4life is back!

 

[chiefdave]

Hey all

After the hardest 3 weeks of my life I am pleased to post that my wife is now HOME!

At one point 2 weeks ago they told she needed a c section and ventilator. They were not optimistic about her surviving really. Csnt explain to youb
that feeling When nurse tells you that they won't lie and your wife is critically ill

But God bless the NHS they saved her life by God's grace

Get jabbed people. But.more importantly don't take anyone for granted

Thank you all for your well wishes on this thread or chasing up on me in DM. I really appreicate it

Mrs covcity4life is back!

Brilliant news mate, can't imagine what its been like going through that.

 

[Nick]

Brilliant news mate, can't imagine what its been like going through that.

Bet he's had loads of peace and quiet to be fair.

Best delete the browser history now....

 

[covcity4life]

Brilliant news mate, can't imagine what its been like going through that.

Wouldn't wish it on anyone. Not even Mowbray haters.

But at least now we won't take life for granted. Although after time you start to forget I guess but I have this thread to remind me lol

 

[AOM]

Hey all

After the hardest 3 weeks of my life I am pleased to post that my wife is now HOME!

At one point 2 weeks ago they told she needed a c section and ventilator. They were not optimistic about her surviving really. Csnt explain to youb
that feeling When nurse tells you that they won't lie and your wife is critically ill

But God bless the NHS they saved her life by God's grace

Get jabbed people. But.more importantly don't take anyone for granted

Thank you all for your well wishes on this thread or chasing up on me in DM. I really appreicate it

Mrs covcity4life is back!

That's great news!
Thanks for keeping us all updated too

 

[Sick Boy]

Hey all

After the hardest 3 weeks of my life I am pleased to post that my wife is now HOME!

At one point 2 weeks ago they told she needed a c section and ventilator. They were not optimistic about her surviving really. Csnt explain to youb
that feeling When nurse tells you that they won't lie and your wife is critically ill

But God bless the NHS they saved her life by God's grace

Get jabbed people. But.more importantly don't take anyone for granted

Thank you all for your well wishes on this thread or chasing up on me in DM. I really appreicate it

Mrs covcity4life is back!

Delighted for you all mate!!!

 

[Flying Fokker]

I hear Chinese whispers that govt. is preparing for lockdowns over the coming Winter. Summer was about Herd immunity and current virus strain (S). Winter will be about new strains, influenza, poor initial vaccination efficacy, and a mad dash to close services down again.

The good thing is that Social Care provision for elderly is being reviewed. The bad thing is that there will be fewer older people to care for. Problem solved? (Top paragraph is about govt. departments currently drawing up plans for lockdowns-) My take on this is that any organization has to plan for all eventualities so it is worst-case scenario.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

My take on this is that any organization has to plan for all eventualities so it is worst-case scenario.

Yeah, you'd be crazy not to really (in that sense, I'm surprised this government is ).

October will probably be key, I guess...

 

[chiefdave]

The concern would be we haven't come close to getting the numbers down as low as last summer. The hope would be that the vaccines will mean that isn't as big a problem as last year.

Find the unwillingness to push the button on boosters odd given that we supposedly had them on order months ago so supply isn't an issue and the data from elsewhere shows it brings cases down.