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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 16, 2021
  • #49,351
Who came up with ‘Freedom Day’?
It’s another crass Americanism.
 
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Tommo1993

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 16, 2021
  • #49,352
Sick Boy said:
Who came up with ‘Freedom Day’?
It’s another crass Americanism.
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Ugh, don’t. I wince every time I hear it.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 16, 2021
  • #49,353
Sick Boy said:
Who came up with ‘Freedom Day’?
It’s another crass Americanism.
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The media I think, cunts
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 16, 2021
  • #49,354
Nick said:
Shall we stay locked down until they have got rid of it?

Maybe we can recognise the additional risks if people are obese?
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No and we have to yes
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 16, 2021
  • #49,355
Sky Blue Pete said:
No and we have to yes
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So again this should be about awareness too from the top.

It's all well and good saying close the country down or lock yourself away to stop COVID.

People should be made aware that if possible (note the if possible) then they should look to alter diet, exercise etc. (Again, people need exercise for mental health as well as losing weight, the whole first lockdown when people were being stopped for walks in the country was pathetic).
 
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Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 16, 2021
  • #49,356
Nick said:
So again this should be about awareness too from the top.

It's all well and good saying close the country down or lock yourself away to stop COVID.

People should be made aware that if possible (note the if possible) then they should look to alter diet, exercise etc. (Again, people need exercise for mental health as well as losing weight, the whole first lockdown when people were being stopped for walks in the country was pathetic).
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Yep and no one (notice the word no one) is saying close the country down and lock yourself away to stop Covid. We can’t stop it we need to live with it.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 16, 2021
  • #49,357
Sky Blue Pete said:
Yep and no one (notice the word no one) is saying close the country down and lock yourself away to stop Covid. We can’t stop it we need to live with it.
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There seems to me to be suddenly no faith in vaccination as sufficient protection. If it isn’t then we may as well permanently close every indoor business
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 16, 2021
  • #49,358
Brighton Sky Blue said:
There seems to me to be suddenly no faith in vaccination as sufficient protection. If it isn’t then we may as well permanently close every indoor business
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I do feel it could actually be better.
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 16, 2021
  • #49,359
Nick said:
So again this should be about awareness too from the top.

It's all well and good saying close the country down or lock yourself away to stop COVID.

People should be made aware that if possible (note the if possible) then they should look to alter diet, exercise etc. (Again, people need exercise for mental health as well as losing weight, the whole first lockdown when people were being stopped for walks in the country was pathetic).
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Easy in hindsight mate, they were flying blind.
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 16, 2021
  • #49,360
Brighton Sky Blue said:
There seems to me to be suddenly no faith in vaccination as sufficient protection. If it isn’t then we may as well permanently close every indoor business
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It works brilliantly just not 100%
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 16, 2021
  • #49,361
Sky Blue Pete said:
It works brilliantly just not 100%
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I agree but brilliantly should be enough
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 16, 2021
  • #49,362
Went to buy some shoes, had to put on disposable socks to try them on. Then went to buy a shirt and was told it’s not possible to try them on so you have to pay then and bring it back if it doesn’t fit.

Surface transmission is not a thing FFS
 
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LastGarrison

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 16, 2021
  • #49,363
The last few pages have been pretty timely for me.

Missus (double vaccinated) started getting a bit of a cough Tuesday so did a lateral flow test Wednesday and was negative, cough still there so did a lateral flow Thursday morning still negative.

Then got messages off her mates later that morning that 4/7 mates she was out with Sunday have tested positive with PCR tests (one works in a school, another a prison) so both me and her went for a PCR test yesterday.

Got our results this morning and she is positive and I am negative!!! I’m also double jabbed, have no symptoms but have got to stay in for a full 10 days? Why can’t I just got for another PCR test on say Monday if I have no more symptoms?

We were meant to be at her Goddaughters wedding tomorrow as well which obviously we now can’t go to. Which is a bonus!
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 16, 2021
  • #49,364
LastGarrison said:
The last few pages have been pretty timely for me.

Missus (double vaccinated) started getting a bit of a cough Tuesday so did a lateral flow test Wednesday and was negative, cough still there so did a lateral flow Thursday morning still negative.

Then got messages off her mates later that morning that 4/7 mates she was out with Sunday have tested positive with PCR tests (one works in a school, another a prison) so both me and her went for a PCR test yesterday.

Got our results this morning and she is positive and I am negative!!! I’m also double jabbed, have no symptoms but have got to stay in for a full 10 days? Why can’t I just got for another PCR test on say Monday if I have no more symptoms?

We were meant to be at her Goddaughters wedding tomorrow as well which obviously we now can’t go to. Which is a bonus!
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Did she have any other symptoms LG? At least the vaccine blocked infection in your case
 

COV

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 16, 2021
  • #49,365
72 hours later and still feel like crap… thankful it’s not the virus obviously but these side effects are a massive pain in the backside
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 16, 2021
  • #49,366
COV said:
72 hours later and still feel like crap… thankful it’s not the virus obviously but these side effects are a massive pain in the backside
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Is it stopping your working on as an accountant for a construction company in Ireland or are you back in Hinckley now?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 16, 2021
  • #49,367
Grendel said:
Is it stopping your working on as an accountant for a construction company in Ireland or are you back in Hinckley now?
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Shouldn't it say 'Party Pooper' on BoJo's shirt?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 16, 2021
  • #49,368
wingy said:
I do feel it could actually be better.
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I don't think you can get much better than 90% plus reduction on hospitalisation rates
 

robbiekeane

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 16, 2021
  • #49,369
 
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COV

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 16, 2021
  • #49,370
Herd immunity in progress

Seems reasonable enough, it’ll work this time, can’t see any more lockdowns coming
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 16, 2021
  • #49,371
LastGarrison said:
The last few pages have been pretty timely for me.

Missus (double vaccinated) started getting a bit of a cough Tuesday so did a lateral flow test Wednesday and was negative, cough still there so did a lateral flow Thursday morning still negative.

Then got messages off her mates later that morning that 4/7 mates she was out with Sunday have tested positive with PCR tests (one works in a school, another a prison) so both me and her went for a PCR test yesterday.

Got our results this morning and she is positive and I am negative!!! I’m also double jabbed, have no symptoms but have got to stay in for a full 10 days? Why can’t I just got for another PCR test on say Monday if I have no more symptoms?

We were meant to be at her Goddaughters wedding tomorrow as well which obviously we now can’t go to. Which is a bonus!
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Something will change about self isolation before august 19 it’s got to
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 16, 2021
  • #49,372
We will never get to full vaccination anyway as there are alot who simply won't have the jabs ..so we have to leap into the unknown at some point no matter what.

Be in now or In 3 months that time will come and the same anxieties people have will be present .

And whenever we do it infections and hospitalisations will inevitably rise .
 
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Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 16, 2021
  • #49,373
robbiekeane said:
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The graph in July is a little worse
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 16, 2021
  • #49,374
Sky Blue Pete said:
The graph in July is a little worse
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Wasn't the month after the first one the same?
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 16, 2021
  • #49,375
Nick said:
Wasn't the month after the first one the same?
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Not sure what you mean these were the two I’ve seen. Vaccination has made everything possible but not without serious illness and death and risk. But we all agree on that

https://ichef-bbci-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/ii/AW/s/ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/cpsprodpb/36E6/production/_119445041_hospitalisation15jul21-nc.png
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 16, 2021
  • #49,376
This is shaping up to be another fine mess from Lardy.

NHS summer crisis: Major hospital cancels all planned operations today and tomorrow

Cancer operations among those cancelled at the Queen Elizabeth Hospital in Birmingham
www.independent.co.uk
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 16, 2021
  • #49,377
skybluetony176 said:
This is shaping up to be another fine mess from Lardy.

NHS summer crisis: Major hospital cancels all planned operations today and tomorrow

Cancer operations among those cancelled at the Queen Elizabeth Hospital in Birmingham
www.independent.co.uk
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As Whitty indicated the alternative is to push this wave into autumn/winter where there is even less available beds. Or stay in lockdown for the next year ? They reckon due to last years lockdown and limited flu spread there could be 60k deaths

Just googled and found this...

Act now or NHS could be overwhelmed this winter, report warns

Report commissioned by chief scientific adviser says Covid, flu and RSV could push health service to breaking point
www.google.co.uk
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This is obviously not just Johnson’s calls. There’s no easy way out of this mess. The current spread and hospitalisations have been accentuated by poor/slow take up of vaccine in certain ages and regions...maybe this is where people should be focussing more of their frustrations !

Edit - mentioned before, with hindsight I wouldn’t be surprised if they wish they’d allowed a greater gradual spread amongst certain age groups last summer, even without the vaccine
 

COV

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 16, 2021
  • #49,378
CCFCSteve said:
As Whitty indicated the alternative is to push this wave into autumn/winter where there is even less available beds. Or stay in lockdown for the next year ? They reckon due to last years lockdown and limited flu spread there could be 60k deaths

Just googled and found this...

Act now or NHS could be overwhelmed this winter, report warns

Report commissioned by chief scientific adviser says Covid, flu and RSV could push health service to breaking point
www.google.co.uk
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This is obviously not just Johnson’s calls. There’s no easy way out of this mess. The current spread and hospitalisations have been accentuated by poor/slow take up of vaccine in certain ages and regions...maybe this is where people should be focussing more of their frustrations !

Edit - mentioned before, with hindsight I wouldn’t be surprised if they wish they’d allowed a greater gradual spread amongst certain age groups last summer, even without the vaccine
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Not disagreeing at all but why is it all or nothing, why can’t we have no lockdown plus some available beds too- why is it 100% one or the other, have we learned nothing in the last 18 months
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 16, 2021
  • #49,379
CCFCSteve said:
As Whitty indicated the alternative is to push this wave into autumn/winter where there is even less available beds. Or stay in lockdown for the next year ? They reckon due to last years lockdown and limited flu spread there could be 60k deaths

Just googled and found this...

Act now or NHS could be overwhelmed this winter, report warns

Report commissioned by chief scientific adviser says Covid, flu and RSV could push health service to breaking point
www.google.co.uk
I
This is obviously not just Johnson’s calls. There’s no easy way out of this mess. The current spread and hospitalisations have been accentuated by poor/slow take up of vaccine in certain ages and regions...maybe this is where people should be focussing more of their frustrations !

Edit - mentioned before, with hindsight I wouldn’t be surprised if they wish they’d allowed a greater gradual spread amongst certain age groups last summer, even without the vaccine
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We’re in this mess right now for one reason only. Boris failed to put India on the red list soon enough. We could have been 4 weeks further into the vaccine program so he’s missed 2 opportunities to slow the spread of the delta variant. How many more people can be double dosed in 4 weeks?
 
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chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 16, 2021
  • #49,380
Brighton Sky Blue said:
There seems to me to be suddenly no faith in vaccination as sufficient protection. If it isn’t then we may as well permanently close every indoor business
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The vaccine is brilliant but no vaccine is every going to be 100% and we're now seeing fully vaccinated people in hospital and dying. Shouldn't it be a case of having the vaccine alongside at least minimal attempts to reduce transmission?

If the vaccines cut risk of hospitalisation by 90% that's still a 1 in 10 chance of being hospitalised if you get it and when there's nothing being done to prevent spread and Javid predicting over 100K cases a day I don't think its unreasonable for people to have concerns. We seem to have come full circle back to the 'its only the elderly and people with pre-existing conditions' like they are expendable.

Again the messaging is all over the place and trying to find reliable information is hard. You've got people saying if you're fully vaccinated you can get back to normal life and not worry but then you've got the likes of Professor Sir David Spiegelhalter saying, “I’m 67, vaxxed to the eyeballs but actually an-unvaxxed 30 year old still has lower risk of dying from COVID than I have.”
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 16, 2021
  • #49,381
COV said:
Herd immunity in progress
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How will herd immunity work in practice? I understand the concept but doesn't it rely on those with the vaccine not getting covid and therefore not spreading it? How do you achieve herd immunity if everyone vaccinated can still get it and pass it on to others?
 

COV

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 16, 2021
  • #49,382
chiefdave said:
How will herd immunity work in practice? I understand the concept but doesn't it rely on those with the vaccine not getting covid and therefore not spreading it? How do you achieve herd immunity if everyone vaccinated can still get it and pass it on to others?
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I thought it meant that you can still get it, but the immunity meant that you might not even realise it/ only get mild symptoms?
 

hill83

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 16, 2021
  • #49,383
chiefdave said:
If the vaccines cut risk of hospitalisation by 90% that's still a 1 in 10 chance of being hospitalised if you get it
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Jul 16, 2021
  • #49,384
hill83 said:
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It isn't right. It'll reduce the probability of hospitalisation by 90%, from whatever percentage it was in the first place.

Of course, the multiplier is spread x probability of hospitalisation as to how much of an overall risk it is. We're increasing the former while reducing the latter.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jul 16, 2021
  • #49,385
hill83 said:
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It isn't right

Your personal risk of hospitalisation is cut by 90%, not that 1 in 10 are at reduced risk.

So, that's why you see old people still being admitted, cos their chances of hospitalisation were already so much higher. The vaccine might bring their chances down by 90% but it still means they could be more likely to be hospitalised than say a 15 year old without a vaccine.
 
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