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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Jul 13, 2021
  • #49,036
Sky Blue Pete said:
Agreed. You didn’t offend me I’m happy we should express ourselves genuinely and open ourselves up to other opinions even when we disagree with them. Cheers mister
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In fairness, I think we are both pretty polar when it comes to covid, but I have always found you respectful and open minded to listen to other people's opinions.

Considering the amount of scraps that thrive on these threads, that is a commendable asset!
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 13, 2021
  • #49,037
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
In fairness, I think we are both pretty polar when it comes to covid, but I have always found you respectful and open minded to listen to other people's opinions.

Considering the amount of scraps that thrive on these threads, that is a commendable asset!
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I find it hard to argue with others deeply held legitimate opinions across many different topics. I get annoyed with people that wind others up for a laugh or plays devils advocate to get a rise. But anyone who says they want things back to normal now has a point right!!!

I also think we argue in the margins often. We mostly agree that we fucked up locking down too late opening up too early and locking down too late. Most agree Indian flights were a bad idea
Most agree Boris and others had a difficult job and what a responsibility

I think most agree if you look on pages 1-30 odd on here that we’ve all got an opini but it needs to be informed to be accepted

The current debate for me is levelling with us. Not being gungho and accepting as a guvebrment you won’t be liked all the time.

within that lots of opinions are valid and should be put into the open to avoid us going mad

Also I’m so aware that when you have friends die or are made really poorly you see things differently and if you haven’t you see things differently
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jul 13, 2021
  • #49,038
Saddlebrains said:
Expressing concerns is fine. But i cant remember one time on this thread hes met anything with positivity.
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It's a thread about a global pandemic. If it ends tomorrow there will still be tens of thousands of people who've lost their lives. Not really a lot to be positive about.

I've never heard of post viral whatever in my 50 odd years on this planet but I know two people with long covid both of whom have had more time of work in the last 10 months than in the previous 30 years combined.

Now maybe it helps you to cope by pretending this isn't a unique situation with consequences beyond anything we've experienced in our life times and that's fine but that's not the reality.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 13, 2021
  • #49,039
wingy said:
Then what, achieve herd immunity,it plateaus out?
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It is currently spreading through very low risk groups. As the double jabbed majority are much less likely to get infected or spread it will hit a wall. What makes sense definitely is for this to happen now rather than later and achieve mass immunity by the back door
 
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COV

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  • Jul 13, 2021
  • #49,040
clint van damme said:
It's a thread about a global pandemic. If it ends tomorrow there will still be tens of thousands of people who've lost their lives. Not really a lot to be positive about.

I've never heard of post viral whatever in my 50 odd years on this planet but I know two people with long covid both of whom have had more time of work in the last 10 months than in the previous 30 years combined.

Now maybe it helps you to cope by pretending this isn't a unique situation with consequences beyond anything we've experienced in our life times and that's fine but that's not the reality.
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I know one with long covid, she's a nurse & she is still wiped out, but she seemed cheerful enough, very stoic. Then her hair started falling out in big chunks. Didn't even know that happened with COVID but apparently its very common in people that get the virus to lose their hair. Losing her hair got to her mentally more than the actual virus, nobody really knows if its the virus itself or the added stress
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 13, 2021
  • #49,041
Anyway, Wales and Scotland keeping masks.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 13, 2021
  • #49,042
Sky Blue Pete said:
Me too but risky when they are talking about 2.5m infections a month. That’s a lot of long Covid. Allegedly 1m sufferers already
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Then we need the support in place for when or if that should happen.
 
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COV

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  • Jul 13, 2021
  • #49,043
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Then we need the support in place for when or if that should happen.
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Get Saddlebrains on the NHS helpline to help get the skivers back to work
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 13, 2021
  • #49,044
COV said:
Get Saddlebrains on the NHS helpline to help get the skivers back to work
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Dude's got asthma would be surprised if he wasn't concerned about illness himself
 
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SBT

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  • Jul 13, 2021
  • #49,045
Tommo1993 said:
Morale totally destroyed!…by poo poo!
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Like when I camped next to the portaloos at Glastonbury
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jul 13, 2021
  • #49,046
SBT said:
Like when I camped next to the portaloos at Glastonbury
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Or my mate who got hit on the back of the head by a flying bag of crap at monsters of rock just as Metallica were about to start playing.
 

Saddlebrains

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  • Jul 14, 2021
  • #49,047
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Dude's got asthma would be surprised if he wasn't concerned about illness himself
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I am. Very. And everyone else is of course.

But i also try and balance that risk with wanting people to get their lives back. Families and friends back together forever is all i want
 
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chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 14, 2021
  • #49,048
Had my Mum on the phone this morning not happy that the updated advise from the government to vulnerable people for 'freedom' day is to lock themselves in the house.

Assumed she had got the wrong end of the stick so checked on the government website and that is actually what they are recommending. Its basically a really long winded way to tell people to go back to shielding.

In many cases these are people that have only stopped shielding in the last few weeks so have essentially spent 18 months unable to leave the house. Officially shielding stopped April 1st but the data shows people were pretty cautious and a decent percentage remained shielding for longer.

Basically says if getting covid could cause you an issue its down to the individual to decide what to do but they recommend avoiding anywhere that unvaccinated people might be present. How the hell are you supposed to know who is and isn't unvaccinated? The reason they give for this is increasing levels of covid in the community. So again the question is why not be more cautious? As has been said time and time again you can have 'freedom' day while retaining things like masks in public places, testing to get into events etc that would mean that everyone could enjoy the benefits.

And if you think leaving it to peoples judgement is going to work just stick Waterstones into a twitter search and look at the responses to their tweet asking that people be considerate and wear masks if they are going into a store.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 14, 2021
  • #49,049
Isn't it common sense though with some of it?

Ie if you could potentially be at risk you use common sense about what you do and where you go?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 14, 2021
  • #49,050
chiefdave said:
Had my Mum on the phone this morning not happy that the updated advise from the government to vulnerable people for 'freedom' day is to lock themselves in the house.

Assumed she had got the wrong end of the stick so checked on the government website and that is actually what they are recommending. Its basically a really long winded way to tell people to go back to shielding.

In many cases these are people that have only stopped shielding in the last few weeks so have essentially spent 18 months unable to leave the house. Officially shielding stopped April 1st but the data shows people were pretty cautious and a decent percentage remained shielding for longer.

Basically says if getting covid could cause you an issue its down to the individual to decide what to do but they recommend avoiding anywhere that unvaccinated people might be present. How the hell are you supposed to know who is and isn't unvaccinated? The reason they give for this is increasing levels of covid in the community. So again the question is why not be more cautious? As has been said time and time again you can have 'freedom' day while retaining things like masks in public places, testing to get into events etc that would mean that everyone could enjoy the benefits.

And if you think leaving it to peoples judgement is going to work just stick Waterstones into a twitter search and look at the responses to their tweet asking that people be considerate and wear masks if they are going into a store.
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Has she been fully vaccinated?
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 14, 2021
  • #49,051
chiefdave said:
Had my Mum on the phone this morning not happy that the updated advise from the government to vulnerable people for 'freedom' day is to lock themselves in the house.

Assumed she had got the wrong end of the stick so checked on the government website and that is actually what they are recommending. Its basically a really long winded way to tell people to go back to shielding.

In many cases these are people that have only stopped shielding in the last few weeks so have essentially spent 18 months unable to leave the house. Officially shielding stopped April 1st but the data shows people were pretty cautious and a decent percentage remained shielding for longer.

Basically says if getting covid could cause you an issue its down to the individual to decide what to do but they recommend avoiding anywhere that unvaccinated people might be present. How the hell are you supposed to know who is and isn't unvaccinated? The reason they give for this is increasing levels of covid in the community. So again the question is why not be more cautious? As has been said time and time again you can have 'freedom' day while retaining things like masks in public places, testing to get into events etc that would mean that everyone could enjoy the benefits.

And if you think leaving it to peoples judgement is going to work just stick Waterstones into a twitter search and look at the responses to their tweet asking that people be considerate and wear masks if they are going into a store.
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My mum just won’t and has probably already thrown the letter away
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 14, 2021
  • #49,052
chiefdave said:
Had my Mum on the phone this morning not happy that the updated advise from the government to vulnerable people for 'freedom' day is to lock themselves in the house.

Assumed she had got the wrong end of the stick so checked on the government website and that is actually what they are recommending. Its basically a really long winded way to tell people to go back to shielding.

In many cases these are people that have only stopped shielding in the last few weeks so have essentially spent 18 months unable to leave the house. Officially shielding stopped April 1st but the data shows people were pretty cautious and a decent percentage remained shielding for longer.

Basically says if getting covid could cause you an issue its down to the individual to decide what to do but they recommend avoiding anywhere that unvaccinated people might be present. How the hell are you supposed to know who is and isn't unvaccinated? The reason they give for this is increasing levels of covid in the community. So again the question is why not be more cautious? As has been said time and time again you can have 'freedom' day while retaining things like masks in public places, testing to get into events etc that would mean that everyone could enjoy the benefits.

And if you think leaving it to peoples judgement is going to work just stick Waterstones into a twitter search and look at the responses to their tweet asking that people be considerate and wear masks if they are going into a store.
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Basically a way of absolving themselves of blame and responsibility but not doing something unpopular.

"If people go out and get ill it's their fault for doing so. We advised them not to"
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 14, 2021
  • #49,053
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Basically a way of absolving themselves of blame and responsibility but not doing something unpopular.

"If people go out and get ill it's their fault for doing so. We advised them not to"
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It would also be true though that they’d given adults the information to make an informed decision.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Jul 14, 2021
  • #49,054
Nick said:
Isn't it common sense though with some of it?

Ie if you could potentially be at risk you use common sense about what you do and where you go?
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Well that was the thinking before it became a complete free for all. It was only 15 weeks ago that for the first time people in their situation were told they could even consider leaving their homes safely. Understandably some have been nervous about doing so having spent over a year being told that leaving the house could kill them.

The problem is the general consensus among experts seemed to be that opening up with minor things in place to minimise risk would mean that by applying a bit of common sense they could continue to get back out and about in relative safety. But following the announcement there would be absolutely nothing done to prevent spread of the virus its now a different proposition.

The government advise talks about increased risk due to high community transmission, that's because they've abandoned any attempt at controlling transmission. When you read the advise its laughable, avoid people who aren't vaccinated, avoid areas where there might be people who are infected, go to shops when nobody else is in them, ask people to take a test before they come into contact with you. Its not in anyway practical and just passes the buck so if and when people start dying they can absolve themselves of blame.
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Has she been fully vaccinated?
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They both have put my Dad is CEV and getting covid post-vaccine could be very serious and likely fatal. What am I supposed to do, just tell them to stop worrying and crack on and just hope for the best?

Just had a quick google and it looks like there's 3.8 million people in a similar position,

'We've been thrown to the wolves,' say extremely clinically vulnerable after new Covid guidance

Vulnerable people told i the Government has thrown them 'under a bus' and their 'world will shrink' as all other social distancing measures in England are due to be lifted from 19 July
inews.co.uk
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 14, 2021
  • #49,055
chiefdave said:
Well that was the thinking before it became a complete free for all. It was only 15 weeks ago that for the first time people in their situation were told they could even consider leaving their homes safely. Understandably some have been nervous about doing so having spent over a year being told that leaving the house could kill them.

The problem is the general consensus among experts seemed to be that opening up with minor things in place to minimise risk would mean that by applying a bit of common sense they could continue to get back out and about in relative safety. But following the announcement there would be absolutely nothing done to prevent spread of the virus its now a different proposition.

The government advise talks about increased risk due to high community transmission, that's because they've abandoned any attempt at controlling transmission. When you read the advise its laughable, avoid people who aren't vaccinated, avoid areas where there might be people who are infected, go to shops when nobody else is in them, ask people to take a test before they come into contact with you. Its not in anyway practical and just passes the buck so if and when people start dying they can absolve themselves of blame.

They both have put my Dad is CEV and getting covid post-vaccine could be very serious and likely fatal. What am I supposed to do, just tell them to stop worrying and crack on and just hope for the best?

Just had a quick google and it looks like there's 3.8 million people in a similar position,

'We've been thrown to the wolves,' say extremely clinically vulnerable after new Covid guidance

Vulnerable people told i the Government has thrown them 'under a bus' and their 'world will shrink' as all other social distancing measures in England are due to be lifted from 19 July
inews.co.uk
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I think exactly that chief. But rather than hope for the best just be cautious. If they live local and you don’t I’m happy to pick stuff up for them and drop it round
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 14, 2021
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chiefdave said:
And if you think leaving it to peoples judgement is going to work just stick Waterstones into a twitter search and look at the responses to their tweet asking that people be considerate and wear masks if they are going into a store.
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tbf, there are also a fair few pointing out the happy bonus if they lose Julia Hartley-Brewer as a customer!
 

chiefdave

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  • Jul 14, 2021
  • #49,057
Sky Blue Pete said:
I think exactly that chief. But rather than hope for the best just be cautious. If they live local and you don’t I’m happy to pick stuff up for them and drop it round
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Thanks mate. Luckily I moved back to the city a while back, in part to not be three hours away whenever they needed something, only 5 minutes away now.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 14, 2021
  • #49,058
chiefdave said:
They both have put my Dad is CEV and getting covid post-vaccine could be very serious and likely fatal. What am I supposed to do, just tell them to stop worrying and crack on and just hope for the best?

Just had a quick google and it looks like there's 3.8 million people in a similar position,

'We've been thrown to the wolves,' say extremely clinically vulnerable after new Covid guidance

Vulnerable people told i the Government has thrown them 'under a bus' and their 'world will shrink' as all other social distancing measures in England are due to be lifted from 19 July
inews.co.uk
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Sorry if you felt it was a leading question, I was just aware that hundreds of thousands fitting in that category haven't had a jab for medical reasons so wasn't sure if that applied. In terms of your parents I would emphasise:

Outdoor activities remain a very low risk and especially so in summer when there's more sunlight to destroy suspended viral particles.

Surface transmission has been debunked for a long time now with only a single digit number of cases being definitively traced back to this method. Therefore, if they are anywhere that isn't sanitising surfaces, this should not be of concern.

Being fully vaccinated substantially reduces the risk of infection and to even greater extents (above 90%) for serious illness.

A close friend of mine is also CEV and takes basically an 'outdoor only' approach to what he does if it's mixing with others. If meeting indoors we agree to test beforehand and with us all being vaccinated that's fine for him but appreciate everyone is different.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 14, 2021
  • #49,059
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Sorry if you felt it was a leading question, I was just aware that hundreds of thousands fitting in that category haven't had a jab for medical reasons so wasn't sure if that applied. In terms of your parents I would emphasise:

Outdoor activities remain a very low risk and especially so in summer when there's more sunlight to destroy suspended viral particles.

Surface transmission has been debunked for a long time now with only a single digit number of cases being definitively traced back to this method. Therefore, if they are anywhere that isn't sanitising surfaces, this should not be of concern.

Being fully vaccinated substantially reduces the risk of infection and to even greater extents (above 90%) for serious illness.

A close friend of mine is also CEV and takes basically an 'outdoor only' approach to what he does if it's mixing with others. If meeting indoors we agree to test beforehand and with us all being vaccinated that's fine for him but appreciate everyone is different.
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Great advice
 

chiefdave

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  • Jul 14, 2021
  • #49,060
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Sorry if you felt it was a leading question, I was just aware that hundreds of thousands fitting in that category haven't had a jab for medical reasons so wasn't sure if that applied. In terms of your parents I would emphasise:

Outdoor activities remain a very low risk and especially so in summer when there's more sunlight to destroy suspended viral particles.

Surface transmission has been debunked for a long time now with only a single digit number of cases being definitively traced back to this method. Therefore, if they are anywhere that isn't sanitising surfaces, this should not be of concern.

Being fully vaccinated substantially reduces the risk of infection and to even greater extents (above 90%) for serious illness.

A close friend of mine is also CEV and takes basically an 'outdoor only' approach to what he does if it's mixing with others. If meeting indoors we agree to test beforehand and with us all being vaccinated that's fine for him but appreciate everyone is different.
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That's very useful thanks. I've been trying to tell my Mum the surface transmission thing for months, was a struggle to stop them popping to M&S when they were supposed to be shielding as 'the type of people who go to M&S won't have covid' but still insists on quarantining the post for 3 days

The government messaging has been pretty appealing through this whole thing but the new advise for CEV is so vague as to be useless. I suspect that's intentional so there's no blame on the government further down the line.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 14, 2021
  • #49,061
chiefdave said:
That's very useful thanks. I've been trying to tell my Mum the surface transmission thing for months, was a struggle to stop them popping to M&S when they were supposed to be shielding as 'the type of people who go to M&S won't have covid' but still insists on quarantining the post for 3 days

The government messaging has been pretty appealing through this whole thing but the new advise for CEV is so vague as to be useless. I suspect that's intentional so there's no blame on the government further down the line.
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If it helps the surface transmission studies failed to grow viral cultures even when exposing the surface to 100+ times more virus than an infected person would release in a realistic scenario. Even under perfect lab conditions they couldn't grow virus this way. To catch it you would basically need to be infected to the brim, sneeze and cough all over the item and then immediately rub it in someone else's face. Granted if they live in Cov you can't entirely rule this out!

The advice is terribly communicated but your folks can and should enjoy all the outdoor options available to them without fear of infection. And if anyone wants to visit them indoors they can always ask the visitor does an LFT beforehand.
 
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  • Jul 14, 2021
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chiefdave said:
but still insists on quarantining the post for 3 days
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I do that, mainly because it's a habit I can't break out of now! (OCD tendancies anyway, have to check I've shut the door umpteen times on leaving the house, so wasn't a great thing to be suggested tbh)

Doesn't help that in the industry I work in, there were studies done early that showed stacked items actually kept the virus for longer, so I then spent ages making sure things weren't stacked...
 

Skybluefaz

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  • Jul 14, 2021
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Skybluefaz

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  • Jul 14, 2021
  • #49,064

Book, change, or cancel a COVID-19 vaccination appointment online

Book, change or cancel a COVID-19 vaccination appointment online.
www.nhs.uk
I've been able to bring my second appointment forward by over a week to this Sunday at Stoneleigh. Seems to be more availability about for people who may be in a similar position.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Jul 14, 2021
  • #49,065
Just had my second jab ..feels good man
 
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Skybluefaz

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  • Jul 14, 2021
  • #49,066
Evo1883 said:
Just had my second jab ..feels good man
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You sure it was vaccine?
 
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David O'Day

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  • Jul 14, 2021
  • #49,067
Skybluefaz said:

Book, change, or cancel a COVID-19 vaccination appointment online

Book, change or cancel a COVID-19 vaccination appointment online.
www.nhs.uk
I've been able to bring my second appointment forward by over a week to this Sunday at Stoneleigh. Seems to be more availability about for people who may be in a similar position.
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Annoying the seem to only have AZ and my first shot was Pfizer.

Does anyone know much about the boots vaccination centre in town? Is it just inside the store?
 

Skybluefaz

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  • Jul 14, 2021
  • #49,068
David O'Day said:
Annoying the seem to only have AZ and my first shot was Pfizer.

Does anyone know much about the boots vaccination centre in town? Is it just inside the store?
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I had Pfizer and was able to book Sunday.
 

We'll_live_and_die

Super Moderator
  • Jul 14, 2021
  • #49,069
Bedworth Civic Hall is doing walk-ins for first or second jabs over 8 weeks tonight. 4-7pm.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 14, 2021
  • #49,070
Skybluefaz said:
I had Pfizer and was able to book Sunday.
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Interesting let me look
 
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