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Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,861
It's a good point about the outlooks of people who have carried on working and their views and people who haven't.

It's like different worlds with some things.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,862
Nick said:
It's a good point about the outlooks of people who have carried on working and their views and people who haven't.

It's like different worlds with some things.
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Yeah I agree. And if you’ve not been out you’ll see hidden dangers everywhere

When I was trying to get my mum to be more careful as she’s clinically extremely vulnerable my sister was saying don’t be anxious or worried. And I was like I’m not I’m concerned for mum.

You make a really good point though as does Grendel in terms of work.
 

COV

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,863
The final tomorrow will have some impact, they’re on about thousands at Wembley without tickets on the streets.

I don’t actually mind tbh but it’s going to cause mayhem in terms of infections
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,864
Sky Blue Pete said:
Yeah I agree. And if you’ve not been out you’ll see hidden dangers everywhere

When I was trying to get my mum to be more careful as she’s clinically extremely vulnerable my sister was saying don’t be anxious or worried. And I was like I’m not I’m concerned for mum.

You make a really good point though as does Grendel in terms of work.
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I still think the media are to blame in part too. If you're sat at home hearing scary stuff and numbers all day every day.

That prick Dr Hillary making out everybody is going to die every day.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,865
Holland reintroducing some restrictions after lifting lockdown and cases doubling in two weeks.
Hasn't had an impacton hospitalisations but they reckon if its going they'll start seeing the impact next week. Fingers crossed there is no impact
 

COV

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,866
clint van damme said:
Holland reintroducing some restrictions after lifting lockdown and cases doubling in two weeks.
Hasn't had an impacton hospitalisations but they reckon if its going they'll start seeing the impact next week. Fingers crossed there is no impact
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I don’t think we will, it’s herd immunity without saying it. That will work, but it is going to cost lives. Not for me to say whether it’s right or wrong but that’s how it will pan out- I think it would take a horrendous spike now for there to be more restrictions to come back in, can’t see it.
 

Philosoraptor

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,867
Death Chart Guy has been watching the footy.

 
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robbiekeane

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,868
Sky Blue Pete said:
So it really is a free for all then as everyone will use the worst case scenario to justify their selfish behaviour towards others. Lots of people get pissed up and act like pricks doesn’t mean the rest of us should. At least Boris was honest. Freedom day will be

100000 infections a day
100 deaths
1000 hospitalisations
1250 long Covid cases

And that’s ok even though by keeping social distancing and masks we could reduce some of this we should just say fuck it what’s the point

Japan cancelling spectators at olympics
Israel making masks compulsory indoors

We are the only country with exponentially increasing infection rates with a highly transmissible variant saying no more, do what you think is best all will be ok

Wow
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deaths have hardly increased. The vaccines have broken the link between cases and deaths. It’s time to get on with life.
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,869
robbiekeane said:
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deaths have hardly increased. The vaccines have broken the link between cases and deaths. It’s time to get on with life.
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Ok
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,870
Grendel said:
One of my relatives died of COVID at a relatively young age so again you make sweeping assumptions about me.
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Sorry to hear that.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,871
Sick Boy said:
Sorry to hear that.
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I didn’t know him that well - but occasionally kept in touch - went in the first wave.

The vaccine has the effect at least I think of keeping the virus at bay as a fatal illness for most.

So now although some get the virus it may be unpleasant but not life threatening
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,872
The thing is, how many people are obsessing over how many people have died from other things every day? If it's COVID it's rammed in your face every day.
 

hill83

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,873
Nick said:
The thing is, how many people are obsessing over how many people have died from other things every day? If it's COVID it's rammed in your face every day.
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Can’t think why. Anyone got any ideas?

It’ll die off from the news eventually anyway. It was about deaths, now it’s about cases as the link looks broken. Then we can get back to articles about tits.
 
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robbiekeane

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,874
Sky Blue Pete said:
Ok
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Has it not?
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,875
Fuck it , we've booked for Cyprus next July, here's hoping
 
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Saddlebrains

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,876
All this 'Long Covid'

It existed before. Its called Post Viral Fatigue syndrome. Its been recognised for decades.

Put the word covid in it though and thats different isnt it
 

COV

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,877
Saddlebrains said:
All this 'Long Covid'

It existed before. Its called Post Viral Fatigue syndrome. Its been recognised for decades.

Put the word covid in it though and thats different isnt it
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the whole thing is a hoax m8
 
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Saddlebrains

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,878
COV said:
the whole thing is a hoax m8
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I wouldn't got that far fucking hell
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,879
robbiekeane said:
Has it not?
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Not completely no and risking it with 2.8m cases a month seems a bizarre choice
 

TomRad85

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,880
Evo1883 said:
Fuck it , we've booked for Cyprus next July, here's hoping
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Visiting the old barracks hey mate?

Sent from my SM-G973F using Tapatalk
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,881
hill83 said:
Can’t think why. Anyone got any ideas?

It’ll die off from the news eventually anyway. It was about deaths, now it’s about cases as the link looks broken. Then we can get back to articles about tits.
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Because it's in the media and rammed down people's throats.

People refreshing to get the latest numbers and charts and stuff. It's no good for people.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,882
In news that will surprise nobody it seems 'freedom day' is quickly turning into a shambles.

The Times are reporting that the vaccine / negative test passports that have proven effective at test events will be dropped as planned on July 19th but then reintroduced 6 - 10 weeks later. Can someone explain to me why we've tested a system, shown it works and now plan to drop it only to bring it back again in a few weeks?

Meanwhile The Guardian reports Whitehall sources saying "that ministers had been spooked by internal polling" with one poll showing only 10% of the public support the removal of all restrictions and a second poll showing people believed the government was moving too quickly.

Problem now is that Johnson won't backtrack, not because he's 'following the science' or because of polling but because it “would be political suicide”.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,883
chiefdave said:
In news that will surprise nobody it seems 'freedom day' is quickly turning into a shambles.

The Times are reporting that the vaccine / negative test passports that have proven effective at test events will be dropped as planned on July 19th but then reintroduced 6 - 10 weeks later. Can someone explain to me why we've tested a system, shown it works and now plan to drop it only to bring it back again in a few weeks?

Meanwhile The Guardian reports Whitehall sources saying "that ministers had been spooked by internal polling" with one poll showing only 10% of the public support the removal of all restrictions and a second poll showing people believed the government was moving too quickly.

Problem now is that Johnson won't backtrack, not because he's 'following the science' or because of polling but because it “would be political suicide”.
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Not sure why it would be political suicide if their polling says only 10% of public support it. Usually you can see him doing stuff that is popular. Of course he'd piss off the nutjobs in and around the party and there's clearly a few around the place after his job (and with Cummings out for revenge a potential goldmine of info to tap into).

I reckon he's waiting for the football to slip it in (no, not like that...actually on second thoughts he probably is) and 'bury bad news'. People might be annoyed but he'd hope the euphoria if we won would allow him to get away with it. He seems to have that gift of luck.

As for dropping the passports to bring them in again later, fuck knows what the thinking is and it makes no sense. Then you remember it's this government and you realise of course that's exactly the kind of thing they'd do.
 

robbiekeane

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,884
chiefdave said:
Meanwhile The Guardian reports Whitehall sources saying "that ministers had been spooked by internal polling" with one poll showing only 10% of the public support the removal of all restrictions and a second poll showing people believed the government was moving too quickly.
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Where do these polls even come from. I don’t think I’ve ever participated in a poll in my life apart from SBT
 

robbiekeane

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,885
Sky Blue Pete said:
Not completely no and risking it with 2.8m cases a month seems a bizarre choice
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But we’re always going to have high cases at some point? There’s no avoiding it, we just need to stop the hospitals being overwhelmed and people from dying. That seems to be the case now

It’s a contagious virus and we have people mixing with each other. There’s no getting away from it is there, unless we have constant lockdowns forever? The vulnerable have been vaccinated and the deaths are now much much much lower than they were at other times when the cases were at this level.

Time to get on with life now isn’t it and learn to live with it
 
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COV

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  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,886
robbiekeane said:
Where do these polls even come from. I don’t think I’ve ever participated in a poll in my life apart from SBT
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I have wondered that too. Everyone fears the mysterious polls.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 11, 2021
  • #48,887
robbiekeane said:
Where do these polls even come from. I don’t think I’ve ever participated in a poll in my life apart from SBT
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One poll said a large percentage wanted a 10 pm curfew even after Covid no longer was a threat
 

COV

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 11, 2021
  • #48,888
Grendel said:
One poll said a large percentage wanted a 10 pm curfew even after Covid no longer was a threat
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If you’re referring to that Economist poll then it was 18% that wanted a permanent 10pm curfew. More than you’d expect but certainly not “large”.

Sample size was 1,025 which is about 0.00002% of the population.

So basically your comment backs up why you can’t really use these polls to draw any serious conclusions.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 11, 2021
  • #48,889
Grendel said:
One poll said a large percentage wanted a 10 pm curfew even after Covid no longer was a threat
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There are a lot of people who'd like that kind of thing regardless of Covid - keep the youth under control and all that.

Covid isn't necessarily the motivating cause, more what to hang a hat on in that instance.

(And 20% wasn't significant numbers for certain arguments...)
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 11, 2021
  • #48,890
robbiekeane said:
But we’re always going to have high cases at some point? There’s no avoiding it, we just need to stop the hospitals being overwhelmed and people from dying. That seems to be the case now

It’s a contagious virus and we have people mixing with each other. There’s no getting away from it is there, unless we have constant lockdowns forever? The vulnerable have been vaccinated and the deaths are now much much much lower than they were at other times when the cases were at this level.

Time to get on with life now isn’t it and learn to live with it
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As ever on here however, it's being painted as black and white (not from you tbf). Now, the Chief Medical Officer days most restrictions should end... so I'll go with that. He also gave a very precise explanation over where he'd wear a mask, and none of that was overly radical, but we're not mandating that.

Now, none of what he said ref: masks stops people getting on with life really. I don't see why there would be any push back on that as it's not a huge imposition, and not a massive chore either. Now, in an ideal world you wouldn't have to mandate for common courtesy but... this is not an ideal world.

So, isn't it possible to heed the Chief Medical Officer in all respects and still be able to get on with life, without cherry picking, as government seem to have done?

(I really don't fancy getting on with life on packed commuter trains anyway, Covid or no, so don't quite get the desire for those elements anyway!)
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 11, 2021
  • #48,891
Don't get trains then????

You don't have to cram into places.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 11, 2021
  • #48,892
COV said:
If you’re referring to that Economist poll then it was 18% that wanted a permanent 10pm curfew. More than you’d expect but certainly not “large”.

Sample size was 1,025 which is about 0.00002% of the population.

So basically your comment backs up why you can’t really use these polls to draw any serious conclusions.
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that’s one in 5 and I poll of 1,000 is enough to have some reflection on a result
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 11, 2021
  • #48,893
It seems there is now a push to vaccinate second doses for over 40’s much quicker - within 4 weeks of dose 1

I suspect we are reaching the limit of those who are prepared to have a first dose so that seems sensible
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 11, 2021
  • #48,894
Grendel said:
It seems there is now a push to vaccinate second doses for over 40’s much quicker - within 4 weeks of dose 1

I suspect we are reaching the limit of those who are prepared to have a first dose so that seems sensible
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There’s something similar here with over 40s having priority over under 39s. They can get appointments within days rather than a couple of weeks and 2nd doses within 4 vs 5 weeks.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 11, 2021
  • #48,895
How a mature democracy deals with this issue

Australia: New South Wales confirms first Covid-related death in 10 months

A woman in her 90s died in Sydney, as state officials warn of a surge in new infections.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
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