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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,826
chiefdave said:
How is it paranoia when the doctor has spent 18 months telling him its not safe to leave the house? He, like many other who are CEV, have been told that even post vaccination the impact of getting covid could be very serious and potentially fatal.
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That's absolutely heartbreaking. I'm so sorry to hear that. Right or wrong, if a doctor says that of course it is going to be on your mind.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,827
Sky Blue Pete said:
So not following the law??? Don’t understand
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Er yes if they are socially distanced and not together for more then 15 minutes. Factories don’t close when someone is positive
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,828
chiefdave said:
How is it paranoia when the doctor has spent 18 months telling him its not safe to leave the house? He, like many other who are CEV, have been told that even post vaccination the impact of getting covid could be very serious and potentially fatal.
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But in that situation how can it ever be avoided by any government action as the risk is always now going to exist
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,829
Grendel said:
But in that situation how can it ever be avoided by any government action as the risk is always now going to exist
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Why do you think we’re the first country to lift restrictions when cases are rising at this rate?
 
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Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,830
Grendel said:
Er yes if they are socially distanced and not together for more then 15 minutes. Factories don’t close when someone is positive
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Ah ok slightly different to you saying what you did. Any close contacts would need to self isolate with a positive test.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,831
shmmeee said:
Why do you think we’re the first country to lift restrictions when cases are rising at this rate?
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Are we?

I read something that said French nightclubs open today. We were about 10 weeks ahead of them on the vaccine rollout.
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,832
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Are we?

I read something that said French nightclubs open today. We were about 10 weeks ahead of them on the vaccine rollout.
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No other country gone for a open everything and remove all restrictions
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,833
Sky Blue Pete said:
Ah ok slightly different to you saying what you did. Any close contacts would need to self isolate with a positive test.
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Only if the app says so
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,834
Sky Blue Pete said:
No other country gone for a open everything and remove all restrictions
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They haven’t got 90% of adults either a vaccine
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,835
Grendel said:
But in that situation how can it ever be avoided by any government action as the risk is always now going to exist
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From what I've seen a lot of CV and CEV people, including myself and my family, were relatively confident with a move back to normality with some precautions still in place and an attempt from the government to minimise the spread of the virus. I'm not talking about anything that would require businesses to remain closed but things like masks on public transport & crowded areas, testing & vaccine passports for access to events, that kind of thing.

This is in line with what experts were saying and what is recommended in the most recently released SAGE minutes. It was obviously the plan at one point as test events have operated that way and the NHS have a vaccine passport app.

The recent announcement has removed that confidence. Even if it is not the intention the impression given by the government is 'let it rip' and doing absolutely nothing to prevent cases surging. Not helped when Johnson is asked what the modelling shows the impact of this will be on hospitalisations and deaths and can't answer.

Pretty sure its not just my family going through this.

Creator of Oxford vaccine Sarah Gilbert warns vulnerable will have to shield as cases rise

The Government has not yet issued updated advice to those who are classed as clinically extremely vulnerable
inews.co.uk

Covid-19: 'For us it's not freedom day, is it?'

Their medical conditions mean they are considered vulnerable to Covid. How are they feeling now?
www.bbc.co.uk

MPs deluged with emails from worried constituents ahead of 19 July reopening

No advice yet published for how clinically vulnerable should take extra precautions
www.theguardian.com

Millions of vulnerable people left 'in limbo' over Covid shielding advice for 19

Health minister Lord Bethell admits the Government will be 'walking into the unknown' when restrictions are lifted
inews.co.uk

Freedom day could come at a high price for the clinically vulnerable

As Boris Johnson was declaring Freedom Day yesterday, I was flying back to London from a weekend in the Highlands.Just like the prime minister I had asked mysel
www.thetimes.co.uk

No ‘freedom day’ for vulnerable without masks, warn health charities

Immunocompromised people will be put at risk without continued safety measures, campaigners warn
www.independent.co.uk
 
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Skybluefaz

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,836
Grendel said:
A lot of the country - those in manufacturing- have worked through the whole pandemic

surely we are all in it together - or are supermarket workers, pubs, track workers collateral damage in the white collar worker eyes?

soon you’ll be whining at having to lay higher taxation - oh hold on you already have
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Didn't the Jag furlough loads on the track? Thought you worked there? Or is that not manufacturing?
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,837
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Are we?

I read something that said French nightclubs open today. We were about 10 weeks ahead of them on the vaccine rollout.
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Spain opened up in May when cases were low. Its led to a surge in cases. The decision to open up was described as “premature and dangerous” by the former director of Health in Crisis Situations for WHO, "first release of the state of emergency, then the end of curfews, then the opening of nightlife, then the end of obligatory mask wearing, led to a false sense of security and social interaction that is not protected”.

Israel opened up and saw cases surge once the delta variant got in. That led to the reintroduction of mask wearing and there's now talk of other restrictions coming back in. They're ahead of us in terms of percentage vaccinated.

Can't find any other country that has relaxed restrictions while cases, hospitalisations and deaths are all increasing.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,838
Grendel said:
Only if the app says so
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Test trace and isolate they ask the person who there close contacts are and contact them. The app is used too
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,839
Grendel said:
They haven’t got 90% of adults either a vaccine
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Israel
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,840
Skybluefaz said:
Didn't the Jag furlough loads on the track? Thought you worked there? Or is that not manufacturing?
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They’ve been back since last august and I don’t work there
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,841
Grendel said:
Only if the app says so
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Easy solution to that. When cases are rising and its pinging too often just turn down the sensitivity

NHS Covid app to be made less sensitive after 60% rise in ‘pings’

The sensitivity of the NHS Covid-19 tracing app is to be reduced after the number of people “pinged” rose more than 60 per cent in a week. Ministers fear that
www.thetimes.co.uk
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,842
Sky Blue Pete said:
Test trace and isolate they ask the person who there close contacts are and contact them. The app is used too
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I’ve said under HR rules they aren’t close contacts
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,843
chiefdave said:
Easy solution to that. When cases are rising and its pinging too often just turn down the sensitivity

NHS Covid app to be made less sensitive after 60% rise in ‘pings’

The sensitivity of the NHS Covid-19 tracing app is to be reduced after the number of people “pinged” rose more than 60 per cent in a week. Ministers fear that
www.thetimes.co.uk
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I’ve deleted it
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,844
Grendel said:
I’ve said under HR rules they aren’t close contacts
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Yep you did. Sounds like workplace have taken precautions to avoid issues. Once social distancing is removed likely increase in positive tests
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,845
Grendel said:
I’ve deleted it
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So you’re deciding not to protect others then
 
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  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,846
Well this is good to know...

'Not appropriate': Experts debunk link between Nuremberg Code and COVID-19

In this week's CoronaCheck, we dismiss suggestions that 2021 will see a round of pandemic-related trials for "crimes against humanity" and we look into claims about the magnetic qualities of microchips in vaccines.
www.abc.net.au

Who even comes up with the lunacy in the first place?!?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,847
Sky Blue Pete said:
Yep you did. Sounds like workplace have taken precautions to avoid issues. Once social distancing is removed likely increase in positive tests
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Nope as they will still be within the rules close contact of less than 15 minutes is permitted as per the you gov advice
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,848
Sky Blue Pete said:
So you’re deciding not to protect others then
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It doesn’t protect others and many on here refused to have it anyway!
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,849
Grendel said:
It doesn’t protect others and many on here refused to have it anyway!
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Pick and choosing which rules to follow then shaming others. Sounds familiar!
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,850
Grendel said:
You are literally proving my point about paranoia - I have no idea how old your parents are but I know workers of 70 who have worked through and show none of those fears at all
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You do realise that people are individuals and so will react differently regardless of how similar they may seem to be.

Also if someone who has had someone they know suffer badly or die from Covid is going to be more wary than someone who hasn't. Same as someone who has a history of cancer etc in their family is going to be more fearful of it than someone who doesn't. Had a boss who wasn't afraid of doing stuff and was a bit dismissive of those who were more introverted until he had a stroke in his early fifties and although he luckily didn't have any major issues afterwards in terms of movement/speech etc he became far more careful.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,851
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
You do realise that people are individuals and so will react differently regardless of how similar they may seem to be.

Also if someone who has had someone they know suffer badly or die from Covid is going to be more wary than someone who hasn't. Same as someone who has a history of cancer etc in their family is going to be more fearful of it than someone who doesn't. Had a boss who wasn't afraid of doing stuff and was a bit dismissive of those who were more introverted until he had a stroke in his early fifties and although he luckily didn't have any major issues afterwards in terms of movement/speech etc he became far more careful.
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One of my relatives died of COVID at a relatively young age so again you make sweeping assumptions about me.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,852
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Pick and choosing which rules to follow then shaming others. Sounds familiar!
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Not really. It was set up before the vaccine roll out. I’m prepared to every day do lateral flow tests but a generic lockdown for 10 days if you’ve been in a pub near someone who tested positive when you’ve had both jabs is an entirely different scenario
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,853
Sky Blue Pete said:
So you’re deciding not to protect others then
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There will be lots of pubs packed tomorrow and many will have people breaking rules. Should police do raids and arrest them?
 

Skybluefaz

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,854
Grendel said:
Not really. It was set up before the vaccine roll out. I’m prepared to every day do lateral flow tests but a generic lockdown for 10 days if you’ve been in a pub near someone who tested positive when you’ve had both jabs is an entirely different scenario
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It's not really fit for purpose any more.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,855
Grendel said:
One of my relatives died of COVID at a relatively young age so again you make sweeping assumptions about me.
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Sorry to hear that but I wasn't saying it about you specifically. It was a general statement than on the whole is true. There are some individuals who will of course be different. Take Boris - he nearly died and still doesn't take the situation that seriously.
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,856
Grendel said:
Not really. It was set up before the vaccine roll out. I’m prepared to every day do lateral flow tests but a generic lockdown for 10 days if you’ve been in a pub near someone who tested positive when you’ve had both jabs is an entirely different scenario
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Yeah, the government need to change the rules before 19 July. Said the other day people will just delete the app if you don’t need it to get into places which is not what anyone wants as it’s useful to know if you’re at greater risk of catching it (just move to testing if you’ve been pinged from 19 July)
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,857
Grendel said:
Nope as they will still be within the rules close contact of less than 15 minutes is permitted as per the you gov advice
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Oh I don’t mean rules I mean if social distancing is scrapped there’ll be many more positive cases
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,858
Grendel said:
It doesn’t protect others and many on here refused to have it anyway!
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Isolating doesn’t protect others!!!!!! Course it does as you and I might be transmitting the virus without symptoms or before symptoms. It’s not rocket science my friend.
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,859
Grendel said:
Not really. It was set up before the vaccine roll out. I’m prepared to every day do lateral flow tests but a generic lockdown for 10 days if you’ve been in a pub near someone who tested positive when you’ve had both jabs is an entirely different scenario
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You wouldn’t be pinged then. It’s 15 minutes close contact.
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 10, 2021
  • #48,860
Grendel said:
There will be lots of pubs packed tomorrow and many will have people breaking rules. Should police do raids and arrest them?
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So it really is a free for all then as everyone will use the worst case scenario to justify their selfish behaviour towards others. Lots of people get pissed up and act like pricks doesn’t mean the rest of us should. At least Boris was honest. Freedom day will be

100000 infections a day
100 deaths
1000 hospitalisations
1250 long Covid cases

And that’s ok even though by keeping social distancing and masks we could reduce some of this we should just say fuck it what’s the point

Japan cancelling spectators at olympics
Israel making masks compulsory indoors

We are the only country with exponentially increasing infection rates with a highly transmissible variant saying no more, do what you think is best all will be ok

Wow
 
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