Indeed. An obvious consequence of changing some state, is the risk of changing the state in some other way. The aim is for it to be low risk, after all.If you read side effects on a leaflet of any prescription drug you’d take nothing
Agreed. I saw this a few hours after getting the Pfizer and admit that it made me feel worried. It’s good to be aware but it’s hardly going to encourage those who are hesitant.Can't help but think you can get too much information sometimes.
Heart inflammation link to Pfizer and Moderna jabs
But European regulators say the benefits of Covid vaccines continue to far outweigh the risks.www.bbc.co.uk
In the good old days of no transparency, you wouldn't know this, or the AZ side effects. Probably best not to know them when the risk is small, too!
The plan in September is to give all over 50’s a booster jab it seems and then a flu jab at the same time
Interestingly I know a few people who have been jabbed twice and have had Covid after jab 2. The odd thing is they have had the second jabs fairly recently but over the 3 week period
Me too. It is pretty weird.
I've barely known anyone to have had it over 15 months but 3 that have caught it after having had the second vaccination.
It’s not weird. Most people have had a jab and cases are high.
Of course it is weird.
World wide pandemic and I barely know anyone that has had it. Then within the last 6 weeks I know 3 people that have gone down with it and they've all been double vaccinated.
Surely a vaccine is giving you bits of covid?
Surely that explains why people are testing positive after having their second?One uses deactivated virus, the RNA ones don’t, they’re the new one that just teaches your body what to make without the virus (had this explained by my missus when I wasn’t paying full attention so stand to be corrected)
Surely that explains why people are testing positive after having their second?
Surely that explains why people are testing positive after having their second?
Yeah because we’ve been locked down and had a variant that wasn’t as transmissible. It’s not weird. Honestly. It’s basic stats.
Vaccination prevents serious illness not infection in most cases and there are more cases and people moving around more. CCFC have COVID now after a season without for the same reasons.
That’s what happens when you lift lockdown while a more virulent strain is about
The people I’m referring to have had the full blown virus - one was in bed for a week
I don’t suppose a new easier transmitted strain could have anything to do with it?Of course it is weird.
World wide pandemic and I barely know anyone that has had it. Then within the last 6 weeks I know 3 people that have gone down with it and they've all been double vaccinated.
Yes, that is also the point I am making. None of them simply tested positive or couldn't taste their breakfast. They were really sick.
I'm also not sure about how the body reacts to a vaccination if it already has antibodies.
Yes, that is also the point I am making. None of them simply tested positive or couldn't taste their breakfast. They were really sick.
I'm also not sure about how the body reacts to a vaccination if it already has antibodies.
Evidence was the immune response is better after one shot if you had antibodies already. Don’t think the second shot made any difference.
Maybe your mates would’ve been in ICU had they not been vaccinated?
Surely the vaccine stops you dying or ending up on a ventilator as opposed to stopping you actually getting it at all
You see, this is the bit I don't really follow. They are all under 40 and pretty healthy.
I don't buy the argument that they would have been in hospital or dead.
You see, this is the bit I don't really follow. They are all under 40 and pretty healthy.
I don't buy the argument that they would have been in hospital or dead.
Yeah, it's the difference between Grendel's acquaintance being laid up in bed for a week, and potentially being laid up in a churchyard for eternity.The whole vaccine bit is purely lack of serious illness and preventing death though isn’t it?
And tbf to the government (words not uttered easily!) even this bunch wouldn't be unlocking if the mortality rate was the same as pre-vaccine, with these case numbers!The vaccine is clearly working as the disconnect between cases and deaths has shown.
What does that *actually* mean?!?For fucks sake.
Missus got a message from her mate this morning to say that her first vaccine was from one of the non-approved batches
You see, this is the bit I don't really follow. They are all under 40 and pretty healthy.
I don't buy the argument that they would have been in hospital or dead.
Indeed!Still I’d much rather be vaccinated and get it than not vaccinated and get it.
What does that *actually* mean?!?
Basically, from what I have read, these batches were produced in India and not the EU/UK so do not have the relevant approval from the EMA.What does that *actually* mean?!?
Its not a surprise that there's people on here who know people now getting covid is it? We've been opening things up which has led to a rise in cases among groups that are mixing. Just look at the numbers from educational settings.
Obviously there's a need to open things up but its concerning the way the numbers are all going the wrong way and our response seems to be to just make it a free for all, struggling to get my head round it. You can open things up but still keep some basic precautions in place. That's what the experts have been saying for months would be needed in order to live with it and we seem to have suddenly changed our plans and headed off in a direction no other country is going in. Israel are ahead of us with vaccinations but once the Delta variant took hold they had to reintroduce masks and now there is talk of bring back further restrictions.
Experts have consistently said test, trace and isolate is key to opening up and we seem to be winding that down rather than ensure it is working smoothly. We did numerous test events showing that large crowds of people with negative tests are relatively safe and we're completely ignoring that moving forward.Government set to impose fresh restrictions as COVID cases rise
Ministers to reportedly mull caps on gatherings, reintroducing 'Green Pass' in limited format, requiring parents of infected kids to enter quarantinewww.timesofisrael.com
Meanwhile an ever increasing band of experts are saying we're taking the wrong course, The Academy of Medical Royal Colleges added to the list today.
Its not a surprise that there's people on here who know people now getting covid is it? We've been opening things up which has led to a rise in cases among groups that are mixing. Just look at the numbers from educational settings.
Obviously there's a need to open things up but its concerning the way the numbers are all going the wrong way and our response seems to be to just make it a free for all, struggling to get my head round it. You can open things up but still keep some basic precautions in place. That's what the experts have been saying for months would be needed in order to live with it and we seem to have suddenly changed our plans and headed off in a direction no other country is going in. Israel are ahead of us with vaccinations but once the Delta variant took hold they had to reintroduce masks and now there is talk of bring back further restrictions.
Experts have consistently said test, trace and isolate is key to opening up and we seem to be winding that down rather than ensure it is working smoothly. We did numerous test events showing that large crowds of people with negative tests are relatively safe and we're completely ignoring that moving forward.Government set to impose fresh restrictions as COVID cases rise
Ministers to reportedly mull caps on gatherings, reintroducing 'Green Pass' in limited format, requiring parents of infected kids to enter quarantinewww.timesofisrael.com
Meanwhile an ever increasing band of experts are saying we're taking the wrong course, The Academy of Medical Royal Colleges added to the list today.
Would seem to me that with uncertainty everywhere, but a general consensus that the shit is about to royally hit the fan, you’d want to be a bit careful and take precautions, not throw caution to the wind.
Lots won’t and you know thatIndividuals can take precautions?
Individuals can take precautions?
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