Sky Blue Pete
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Yeah but scrapping social distancing and masks and expecting 3m infections from July through September is maybe a bit of a risk
Yeah but scrapping social distancing and masks and expecting 3m infections from July through September is maybe a bit of a riskFirst time I've looked in for a while. Some of you are so obsessed with bringing the government into every little detail and petty point scoring off each other on this thread. It's been a far from perfect response and some mistakes made, but all unintentional to an unprecedented pandemic and I'm sure that's true of almost every country around the world, acting the way it was thought best at the time, acting on the data available.
Can't we just accept and appreciate the massive effort the whole country has made and in particular the NHS and volunteers in the incredible vaccination programme we have mobilised by people from all areas and a cross spectrum of society? Amazing at such speed to be where we are that we can now lift many of these restrictions from a standing start around 6 months back.
Absolutely not. Two completely separate things. The NHS have been magnificent. In unrelated news I believe the Govt have acted on the data available and not always been perfect, but with the best of intentions and certainly since the second lockdown having learnt on mistakes from the first have done as well if not better than counterparts worldwide.So what you’re saying is we should celebrate the achievements of the NHS that have been in spite of the government incompetence.
Absolutely not. Two completely separate things. The NHS have been magnificent. In unrelated news I believe the Govt have acted on the data available and not always been perfect, but with the best of intentions and certainly since the second lockdown having learnt on mistakes from the first have done as well if not better than counterparts worldwide.
Just one example, but why despite the data being available did they not move India to the redlist sooner?Absolutely not. Two completely separate things. The NHS have been magnificent. In unrelated news I believe the Govt have acted on the data available and not always been perfect, but with the best of intentions and certainly since the second lockdown having learnt on mistakes from the first have done as well if not better than counterparts worldwide.
Presumably to allow our own Indian population the opportunity to return rather than be stranded. No different really to allowing people returning from hols in Portugal this time or other countries after wave 1, where they announced restrictions coming into force after a specific date rather than immediately. It was far from ideal, but there would be just as many dissenting voices if people couldn't get home safely. Damned if you, damned if you don't I believe in that instance.Just one example, but why despite the data being available did they not move India to the redlist sooner?
If that's the case why was the same opportunity not offered to Pakistan?Presumably to allow our own Indian population the opportunity to return rather than be stranded. No different really to allowing people returning from hols in Portugal this time or other countries after wave 1, where they announced restrictions coming into force after a specific date rather than immediately. It was far from ideal, but there would be just as many dissenting voices if people couldn't get home safely. Damned if you, damned if you don't I believe in that instance.
Presumably to allow our own Indian population the opportunity to return rather than be stranded. No different really to allowing people returning from hols in Portugal this time or other countries after wave 1, where they announced restrictions coming into force after a specific date rather than immediately. It was far from ideal, but there would be just as many dissenting voices if people couldn't get home safely. Damned if you, damned if you don't I believe in that instance.
Plus they would never have been stranded, they would have had to quarintine but would have been allowed in the country.Presumably to allow our own Indian population the opportunity to return rather than be stranded. No different really to allowing people returning from hols in Portugal this time or other countries after wave 1, where they announced restrictions coming into force after a specific date rather than immediately. It was far from ideal, but there would be just as many dissenting voices if people couldn't get home safely. Damned if you, damned if you don't I believe in that instance.
Certainly wasn't my intention until my post was quoted back to me questioning specifics about the governments stance. The difference still being of course that I haven't used it to petty point score the alternative view or criticise their position. If I'm honest I think I'd be praising whoever was in power from whichever side, believing, perhaps naively, in ti,mes of trouble we all rally together and do waht we think is best for the country. It may not be perfect, we may not agree, but I'd support the action for the greater good, however it seems whatever the subject, many can't see past the cross they post on their ballot paper.What better way to start off a political debate than to take a political position and complain about the alternative political view...
First time I've looked in for a while. Some of you are so obsessed with bringing the government into every little detail and petty point scoring off each other on this thread. It's been a far from perfect response and some mistakes made, but all unintentional to an unprecedented pandemic and I'm sure that's true of almost every country around the world, acting the way it was thought best at the time, acting on the data available.
Can't we just accept and appreciate the massive effort the whole country has made and in particular the NHS and volunteers in the incredible vaccination programme we have mobilised by people from all areas and a cross spectrum of society? Amazing at such speed to be where we are that we can now lift many of these restrictions from a standing start around 6 months back.
Presumably to allow our own Indian population the opportunity to return rather than be stranded. No different really to allowing people returning from hols in Portugal this time or other countries after wave 1, where they announced restrictions coming into force after a specific date rather than immediately. It was far from ideal, but there would be just as many dissenting voices if people couldn't get home safely. Damned if you, damned if you don't I believe in that instance.
Especially as any negative test result from country of origin has to be in English, French or Spanish.I agree mate that sounds ridiculous. Unfortunately it's as unlogical as most things this Government has done during the pandemic.
I think scrapping social distancing and masks is just unnecessary
Doesn’t work if just those people that are anxious do it. Recent study shows 1 in 80 have long term effects. That’s about 37500 of the 3m likely infections over the summer and what about clinically and clinically extremely vulnerable who maybe can’t have the vaccine. Are they all just expendable. That’s fine if that’s the caseAt this stage I think if people are still nervous then they can follow those precautions voluntarily.
Doesn’t work if just those people that are anxious do it. Recent study shows 1 in 80 have long term effects. That’s about 37500 of the 3m likely infections over the summer and what about clinically and clinically extremely vulnerable who maybe can’t have the vaccine. Are they all just expendable. That’s fine if that’s the case
You've jumped from me suggesting people voluntarily wear a mask if they want to suggesting that others are then expendable. This is a major problem.
People have different opinions.
Whilst you cannot deem it acceptable for people going round licking shopping trolleys, people also cannot shelter just for those on the other side of the spectrum.
True. SorryYou've jumped from me suggesting people voluntarily wear a mask if they want to suggesting that others are then expendable. This is a major problem.
People have different opinions.
Whilst you cannot deem it acceptable for people going round licking shopping trolleys, people also cannot shelter just for those on the other side of the spectrum.
Why good grief? I’d say that’s reflective of my groups of work and church colleagues and friends other than on hereSurvey from the economist. Good grief.
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You have friends who want restrictions forever???Why good grief? I’d say that’s reflective of my groups of work and church colleagues and friends other than on here
You have friends who want restrictions forever???
Masks yep I think I think they’re not a bad ideaYou have friends who want restrictions forever???
That’s not a high percentage and no no one I know wants thatA permanent 10 pm curfew?
That’s not a high percentage and no no one I know wants that
What about all the other points?Masks yep I think I think they’re not a bad idea
Survey from the economist. Good grief.
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The question on the ipsos mori site is more like 'To what extent would you support or oppose each of the following rules being in place?' So is 19% equal to 1 in 5 people supporting a curfew regardless or is it very little support overall for that action? I'm confused.Some of the stuff in there is fucking mind bending. Sample size of 1,025 adults and 26% of them want nightclubs and casinos permanently closed? Mandatory quarantine after holidays? 10pm curfews forever?
Who have they asked?!
Contact tracing app sounds sensible too in various places but the others nah not without a more dangerous variant for meWhat about all the other points?
Some of the stuff in there is fucking mind bending. Sample size of 1,025 adults and 26% of them want nightclubs and casinos permanently closed? Mandatory quarantine after holidays? 10pm curfews forever?
Who have they asked?!
So if there was a variant you would lockdown forever?Contact tracing app sounds sensible too in various places but the others nah not without a more dangerous variant for me
Course not we’d deal with as we have before. If there’s good reason for public health purposes then yes. What’s the alternative? Brazil?So if there was a variant you would lockdown forever?
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