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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jul 5, 2021
  • #48,546
CCFCSteve said:
Makes sense on tubes certainly
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According to what I've heard about the air quality and toxins on there it'd be best to do so for your own health regardless
 
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SBT

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  • Jul 5, 2021
  • #48,547
shmmeee said:
https://aip.scitation.org/doi/pdf/10.1063/5.0016018

https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/10.1377/hlthaff.2020.00818

Association of country-wide coronavirus mortality with demographics, testing, lockdowns, and public wearing of masks (Update June 15, 2020)

Background Wide variation between countries has been noted in per-capita mortality from the disease (COVID-19) caused by the SARS-CoV-2 virus. Determinants of this variation are not fully understood. Methods Potential predictors of per-capita coronavirus-related mortality in 198 countries were...
www.medrxiv.org

Identifying airborne transmission as the dominant route for the spread of COVID-19

We have elucidated the transmission pathways of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) by analyzing the trend and mitigation measures in the three epicenters. Our results show that the airborne transmission route is highly virulent and dominant for the spread of COVID-19. The mitigation measures...
www.pnas.org

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspa.2020.0376

Physical distancing, face masks, and eye protection to prevent person-to-person transmission of SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19: a systematic review and meta-analysis

The findings of this systematic review and meta-analysis support physical distancing of 1 m or more and provide quantitative estimates for models and contact tracing to inform policy. Optimum use of face masks, respirators, and eye protection in public and health-care settings should be informed...
www.thelancet.com

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/jep.13415

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2005.12446.pdf

Cloth Masks May Prevent Transmission of COVID-19: An Evidence-Based, Risk-Based Approach | Annals of Internal Medicine

www.acpjournals.org

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.17.20069567v4.full.pdf

https://gh.bmj.com/content/bmjgh/5/5/e002794.full.pdf

https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/476E32549012B3620D2452F30F2567F1/S0022112020003304a.pdf/flow_physics_of_covid19.pdf

https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsnano.0c03252

Epidemiological characteristics of COVID-19 in medical staff members of neurosurgery departments in Hubei province: A multicentre descriptive study

Background The novel coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) has infected a large number of healthcare workers in Hubei province, China. In addition to infectious and respiratory disease physicians, many doctors in other medical fields have been infected. Methods We prospectively collected epidemiological...
www.medrxiv.org

A rapid systematic review of the efficacy of face masks and respirators against coronaviruses and other respiratory transmissible viruses for the community, healthcare workers and sick patients

The pandemic of COVID-19 is growing, and a shortage of masks and respirators has been reported globally. Policies of health organizations for healthca…
www.sciencedirect.com

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2004.13553.pdf

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.17.20069567v2.full.pdf

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2007800

Transmission of COVID-19 to Health Care Personnel During Exposures ..

Unprotected, prolonged patient contact, as well as certain exposures, including some aerosol-generating procedures, were associated with SARS-CoV-2 infection among health care personnel.
www.cdc.gov

Face Masks Against COVID-19: An Evidence Review - [v2]

Face masks for the public during the covid-19 crisis

Trisha Greenhalgh and colleagues argue that it is time to apply the precautionary principle The precautionary principle is, according to Wikipedia, “a strategy for approaching issues of potential harm when extensive scientific knowledge on the matter is lacking.” The evidence base on the...
www.bmj.com

The Case for Universal Cloth Mask Adoption and Policies to Increase Supply of Medical Masks for Health Workers

We recommend the immediate universal adoption of cloth facemasks, including homemade, and accompanying policies to increase the supply of medical masks for heal
papers.ssrn.com

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.01.20049528v1.full.pdf

Got about another 50 if you want, got bored of copying.
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Gotta hear both sides
 

chiefdave

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  • Jul 5, 2021
  • #48,548
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 5, 2021
  • #48,549
Deleted member 9744 said:
Why?
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I’m no expert at all but virus’ are like any life form they like to continue to exist so it serves no useful purpose to kill it’s host

So I’m hoping.

My personal opinion is that we will be locked down again as hospitals are overwhelmed, probably some time between October and February
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 5, 2021
  • #48,550
David O'Day said:
It's impossible to tell though
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Yep agreed
 

David O'Day

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  • Jul 5, 2021
  • #48,551
Sky Blue Pete said:
I’m no expert at all but virus’ are like any life form they like to continue to exist so it serves no useful purpose to kill it’s host

So I’m hoping.

My personal opinion is that we will be locked down again as hospitals are overwhelmed, probably some time between October and February
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The don't really control the mutations though
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 5, 2021
  • #48,552
David O'Day said:
The don't really control the mutations though
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Nope I agree and one way of not giving a toss is allowing 50000 daily infections
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 6, 2021
  • #48,553
This is an interesting article, from both the perspective of the headline, and other content within.

Chris Whitty: keeping Covid restrictions will only delay wave

England’s chief medical officer says hospitalisations will not be reduced by keeping rules this summer
www.theguardian.com
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 6, 2021
  • #48,554
Yep interesting stuff
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jul 6, 2021
  • #48,555
Deleted member 5849 said:
This is an interesting article, from both the perspective of the headline, and other content within.

Chris Whitty: keeping Covid restrictions will only delay wave

England’s chief medical officer says hospitalisations will not be reduced by keeping rules this summer
www.theguardian.com
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Accurate article and what I heard to be honest, many others in media etc looking for someone to blame will hear and see what they want to. By all accounts Whitty was supportive of the end of restrictions whatever people might have seen last night.

These aren’t black and white decisions, there is nuance, risks, pros and cons to every one of them. I’d imagine with hindsight they may even wish the virus has spread more widely, gradually last summer but again that’s easy to say now.

This paragraph hits the nail on the head for me. Let’s not make excuses for people that ‘don’t understand’ or are struggling with ‘mixed messages’ etc. The advice is clear, the only difference is that rather than certain things being illegal there is a higher degree of personal responsibility

“If we’ve come through 18 months of Covid and people are still not persuaded to change their behaviour, they are probably a group that are in denial for their own reasons and it may be very hard to modify their behaviour. It’ll be for the silent and sensible majority to take the lead,” he said.

I would personally have kept face coverings on the tube as mandatory but If the mask wearing is still at 70% like that polls posted suggest, then I doubt the additional 30% (many of whom might take regular tests, some of which wouldn’t wear masks at all or properly, many might be exempt or double jabbed and likely to reduce transmission etc) would make a huge difference anyway

I’ll continue to wear mine in crowded places, more for others than for myself, but if I saw someone not wearing one, that’s their call. I can either leave them to it or move away.

ps I wouldn't be surprised if face coverings become mandatory again in certain social settings during late autumn/winter months.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jul 6, 2021
  • #48,556
I see we like Imperials modelling when it says things we agree with
 
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SBT

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  • Jul 6, 2021
  • #48,557
Javid says we’re looking at 100,000 cases per day this summer. If you’re under the age of 40, it appears there’s a good chance you’ll be getting immunity from COVID itself rather than the vaccine.
 

David O'Day

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  • Jul 6, 2021
  • #48,558
SBT said:
Javid says we’re looking at 100,000 cases per day this summer. If you’re under the age of 40, it appears there’s a good chance you’ll be getting immunity from COVID itself rather than the vaccine.
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i know vaccines work at the moment but that is madness
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 6, 2021
  • #48,559
SBT said:
Javid says we’re looking at 100,000 cases per day this summer. If you’re under the age of 40, it appears there’s a good chance you’ll be getting immunity from COVID itself rather than the vaccine.
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And possibly long Covid symptoms which wouldn’t be great
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jul 6, 2021
  • #48,560
shmmeee said:
I see we like Imperials modelling when it says things we agree with
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That did make me smile to be fair. I’ve said before hospitalisations have been amended down once, possibly twice recently, which is good. I accept models are always based on imperfect data but ultimately saying they were wrong due to incorrect assumptions isn’t too bad is it ?!

I could also flip it the other way with everyone saying we should follow the scientific advice and when the government do, people still complain.

So much of this is calculated guesswork as there’s so many variables (not least guessing people’s behaviours !), hence the range of models
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 6, 2021
  • #48,561
CCFCSteve said:
That did make me smile to be fair. I’ve said before hospitalisations have been amended down once, possibly twice recently, which is good. I accept models are always based on imperfect data but ultimately saying they were wrong due to incorrect assumptions isn’t too bad is it ?!

I could also flip it the other way with everyone saying we should follow the scientific advice and when the government do, people still complain.

So much of this is calculated guesswork as there’s so many variables (not least guessing people’s behaviours !), hence the range of models
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Im just playing.

I get the distinct impression we don’t really know, but weirdly have become a lot more relaxed since having my second dose.

Also have a horrible feeling that it’ll be vaccine hesitancy that’s the issue now and like fuck and I sitting around waiting for Darren and Karen to log off Facebook long enough to get a clue.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 6, 2021
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shmmeee said:
but weirdly have become a lot more relaxed since having my second dose.
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Funny, that!

Ultimately, I'm prepared to go with the Chief Medical Officer's view, as he knows more than I do, and has more access to information than I do. If he decides opening up now is the right thing to do then... it's the right thing to do. Time will tell if he's right or not.

I do find the mask fudging bonkers however, but I'll end up a stuck record if I don't shut up now, so I will Anyway, let's see what weak willed policy my workplace implements (and more to the point, Mrs Wisdom's!). Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised...
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jul 6, 2021
  • #48,563
Deleted member 5849 said:
Funny, that!

Ultimately, I'm prepared to go with the Chief Medical Officer's view, as he knows more than I do, and has more access to information than I do. If he decides opening up now is the right thing to do then... it's the right thing to do. Time will tell if he's right or not.

I do find the mask fudging bonkers however, but I'll end up a stuck record if I don't shut up now, so I will Anyway, let's see what weak willed policy my workplace implements (and more to the point, Mrs Wisdom's!). Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised...
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The public health messaging has been an absolute clusterfuck. But I’ve said before Johnson is a shit supply teacher who just wants to be liked so was never going to manage it.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Jul 6, 2021
  • #48,564
SBT said:
Javid says we’re looking at 100,000 cases per day this summer. If you’re under the age of 40, it appears there’s a good chance you’ll be getting immunity from COVID itself rather than the vaccine.
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Beginning to wonder if Javid has been appointed in an attempt to make Hancock seem competent. There was also this, "Health Secretary Sajid Javid says it will be up to shops and transport operators to have their own policy on masks.", who is he expecting to enforce that? If Tesco say masks only and people don't comply I highly doubt the police are going to assist.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jul 6, 2021
  • #48,565
I see delta is starting to spread in France now. France doesn't have the vaccine coverage that we do, (31.4% fully vax vs 50.4% here).
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jul 6, 2021
  • #48,566
fernandopartridge said:
I see delta is starting to spread in France now. France doesn't have the vaccine coverage that we do, (31.4% fully vax vs 50.4% here).
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Yeah, it’s even worse in Portugal. Its a race between the variant and vaccine programmes around the world. The Delta variant was always going to become the most prominent strain (until the next more transmissible one !), red list or no red list for India
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 6, 2021
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CCFCSteve said:
(until the next more transmissible one !
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Let's hope that one's a nice weak and feeble one!
 
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Grendel

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  • Jul 6, 2021
  • #48,568
fernandopartridge said:
I see delta is starting to spread in France now. France doesn't have the vaccine coverage that we do, (31.4% fully vax vs 50.4% here).
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Alarming

https://www.washingtonpost.com/gdpr-consent/?next_url=https%3a%2f%2fwww.washingtonpost.com%2fworld%2f2021%2f07%2f01%2fcoronavirus-latest-updates%2f
 

COV

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  • Jul 6, 2021
  • #48,569
Don't know if I'm the first to mention this so apologies if this is old news

Our new variant... the 'Lamda' from Peru, aka C.37- this one is resistant to vaccines apparently

Death rate from this one twice as high as any other variant


Fears arise that lambda COVID-19 variant from Peru may be resistant to vaccines

The Lambda mutation, or C.37, appears to have emerged in Peru last August — and is now being blamed for the country having the highest pandemic death rate in the world.
nypost.com
 
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COV said:
Don't know if I'm the first to mention this so apologies if this is old news

Our new variant... the 'Lamda' from Peru, aka C.37- this one is resistant to vaccines apparently

Death rate from this one twice as high as any other variant


Fears arise that lambda COVID-19 variant from Peru may be resistant to vaccines

The Lambda mutation, or C.37, appears to have emerged in Peru last August — and is now being blamed for the country having the highest pandemic death rate in the world.
nypost.com
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'May' be. 'Possible'.
 

COV

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  • Jul 6, 2021
  • #48,571
Deleted member 5849 said:
'May' be. 'Possible'.
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Isn't that how it starts? Think back to last March. Nobody really sure, rumour & counter rumour, some people denying it, some people warning of the dangers, some people appealing for calm as nothing is certain yet. Then...
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 6, 2021
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COV said:
Isn't that how it starts? Think back to last March. Nobody really sure, rumour & counter rumour, some people denying it, some people warning of the dangers, people appealing for calm as nothing is certain. Then...
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There have been other ones they've investigated, and found have been OK (well... as OK as it gets!). Best to be aware, but let them do their studying. We can panic if the answer is bad!
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 6, 2021
  • #48,573
Grendel said:
Alarming

https://www.washingtonpost.com/gdpr-consent/?next_url=https%3a%2f%2fwww.washingtonpost.com%2fworld%2f2021%2f07%2f01%2fcoronavirus-latest-updates%2f
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Yep especially without having the vaccinations cover we have
 

COV

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  • Jul 6, 2021
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Deleted member 5849 said:
There have been other ones they've investigated, and found have been OK (well... as OK as it gets!). Best to be aware, but let them do their studying. We can panic if the answer is bad!
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The suspicious side of me wonders why we see comparatively little coverage of this variant domestically (I don't think anyway), whereas elsewhere its everywhere.

Perhaps not the type of thing certain people think should be discussed with the backdrop of restrictions being dropped?

In the same way as while the restrictions being dropped was being lauded/ slated, the right to peaceful protest was quietly being removed via the Policing Bill.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jul 6, 2021
  • #48,575
COV said:
Don't know if I'm the first to mention this so apologies if this is old news

Our new variant... the 'Lamda' from Peru, aka C.37- this one is resistant to vaccines apparently

Death rate from this one twice as high as any other variant


Fears arise that lambda COVID-19 variant from Peru may be resistant to vaccines

The Lambda mutation, or C.37, appears to have emerged in Peru last August — and is now being blamed for the country having the highest pandemic death rate in the world.
nypost.com
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Think it was evading the already less effective Cinovac (the Chinese vaccine), no evidence that it can evade the Pfizer, Moderna or AZ ones afaia
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jul 6, 2021
  • #48,576
I was going to say aren’t South American countries all using the dodgy Chinese vaccine?
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jul 6, 2021
  • #48,577
Grendel said:
Alarming

https://www.washingtonpost.com/gdpr-consent/?next_url=https%3a%2f%2fwww.washingtonpost.com%2fworld%2f2021%2f07%2f01%2fcoronavirus-latest-updates%2f
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Tbf the UK represents half of the growth
 
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Deleted member 5849

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COV said:
The suspicious side of me wonders why we see comparatively little coverage of this variant domestically (I don't think anyway), whereas elsewhere its everywhere.

Perhaps not the type of thing certain people think should be discussed with the backdrop of restrictions being dropped?

In the same way as while the restrictions being dropped was being lauded/ slated, the right to peaceful protest was quietly being removed via the Policing Bill.
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It isn't a conspiracy anymore than variants popping up to give an excuse to lock us down is. It won't be the only variant along until this ends - hopefully the weak and pitiful one rocks up before the evil uber-killer one!
 

COV

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  • Jul 6, 2021
  • #48,579
Deleted member 5849 said:
It isn't a conspiracy anymore than variants popping up to give an excuse to lock us down is. It won't be the only variant along until this ends - hopefully the weak and pitiful one rocks up before the evil uber-killer one!
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If we were suddenly confronted with the "Satan variant" directly imported from hell with a 90% death rate, there would still be people calling for an end to all restrictions.

I saw that Richard Ashcroft has now joined Ian Brown and Right Said Fred (!) in the denier camp
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 6, 2021
  • #48,580
COV said:
If we were suddenly confronted with the "Satan variant" directly imported from hell with a 90% death rate, there would still be people calling for an end to all restrictions.

I saw that Richard Ashcroft has now joined Ian Brown and Right Said Fred (!) in the denier camp
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If there is a 90% death rate I don't think wearing a crumpled face mask in Tesco will save you
 
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