Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (5 Viewers)

[robbiekeane]

If people gave a shit about educational damage they'd let me teach outside of a fucking box and let me do practical work with them.

Its hardly that they don’t “give a shit about educational damage” is it. It’s obviously an attempt to reduce risk.

 

[chiefdave]

Shocking news, another for the 'nobody could have predicted this' pile

Coronavirus: Revealed - the impact Eat Out to Help Out had on infection rates

Research suggests that between 8% and 17% of newly detected infection clusters can be linked to the scheme.

news.sky.com

Research suggests that between 8% and 17% of newly detected infection clusters can be linked to the scheme.

 

[djr8369]

Of course something like that could have been developed. The internet is already a wealth of educational information. Like you say would have been relatively easy to have a national effort and a lot of the people who could have been involved producing it weren’t working at the time, like the creatives you mention.

 

[shmmeee]

Some of the Oak National Academy stuff is kind of good for that. Subjects like Maths work quite well as there is very little content deviation across different exam boards. However things like History and parts of the English curriculum is far more difficult to cater for given the massive breadth of subject content available.

I completely agree that when we do have such expertise in schools that it can’t be utilised because it’s too busy being tied up in pointless tick box exercises to justify middle management roles. Given we’ve had 6/7 months to prepare for this situation the ability to harness the talent out there is staggeringly disappointing.

That’s why I think it needs a National approach. Make a set of online lessons that in theory a kid could follow, have trained support staff kids can dial into and pastoral staff checking in. It won’t be perfect and won’t match exactly, but not much different from a kid transferring schools having been taught differently. Work with exam boards to produce the same for exam subjects where possible.

Then when all this is over think of the quality of resource and revision guides and the rest that we’d have.

I’d happily to some exam marking style remote marking as well while we’re all locked down. There’s markers and retired teachers and furloughed or out of work creatives that could have massively lent a hand. Same as with the idea of using empty office space. Just no imagination at all.

 

[djr8369]

Of course something like that could have been developed. The internet is already a wealth of educational information. Like you say would have been relatively easy to have a national effort and a lot of the people who could have been involved producing it weren’t working at the time, like the creatives you mention.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Its hardly that they don’t “give a shit about educational damage” is it. It’s obviously an attempt to reduce risk.

Reduce risk to who exactly, schools have already spread the infection around and the quality of education being provided is worse despite it supposedly being a top priority.

 

[djr8369]

If people gave a shit about educational damage they'd let me teach outside of a fucking box and let me do practical work with them.

But isn’t the issue that (as shown by the El Pais article yesterday) that somebody projecting their voice across a room is the most effective transmission scenario and they are trying to prevent that? Same reason they won’t open theatres.

 

[wingy]

Coronavirus strain from Spain accounts for most UK cases – study

Experts say UK’s travel policy in summer was flawed as ‘the virus moves when people move’

www.theguardian.com

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

But isn’t the issue that (as shown by the El Pais article yesterday) that somebody projecting their voice across a room is the most effective transmission scenario and they are trying to prevent that? Same reason they won’t open theatres.

Guess what I have to end up doing when I’m stuck in a box trying to teach a practical subject with minimal practical work available

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Coronavirus strain from Spain accounts for most UK cases – study

Experts say UK’s travel policy in summer was flawed as ‘the virus moves when people move’

www.theguardian.com

The Spanish virus

 

[fernandopartridge]

The droplets in Spain cause mainly fear and pain

 

[chiefdave]

Coronavirus strain from Spain accounts for most UK cases – study

Experts say UK’s travel policy in summer was flawed as ‘the virus moves when people move’

www.theguardian.com

Its so frustrating seeing things like this. We simply shouldn't be seeing report after report showing things the government chose to ignore the science on coming back to bite us.

 

[djr8369]

Guess what I have to end up doing when I’m stuck in a box trying to teach a practical subject with minimal practical work available

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

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I have to project my voice more because I’m not allowed to go to the students. They can do whatever with each other of course

 

[fernandopartridge]

Its so frustrating seeing things like this. We simply shouldn't be seeing report after report showing things the government chose to ignore the science on coming back to bite us.

Make no mistake, the government will absolve itself of any blame in this. It will fall squarely on holidaymakers. Not that this has been peer reviewed in any case.

 

[djr8369]

I have to project my voice more because I’m not allowed to go to the students. They can do whatever with each other of course

More reason to move online. I would have thought at least they could rig up a microphone and speaker though.

 

[djr8369]

Coronavirus strain from Spain accounts for most UK cases – study

Experts say UK’s travel policy in summer was flawed as ‘the virus moves when people move’

www.theguardian.com

Who could have predicted that people moving between countries would have spread a pathogen.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

More reason to move online. I would have thought at least they could rig up a microphone and speaker though.

How do you suggest I teach a practical subject online for a year? Or in school but with no ability to do practical work?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

We know what's coming then. Too late, and too long as a result, meaning we'll open up again too early...

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

We know what's coming then. Too late, and too long as a result, meaning we'll open up again too early...

Expect the main driver of infections to be kept open

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Expect the main driver of infections to be kept open

At the very least, you'd think we'd be set for a six week Christmas holiday, wouldn't you, with plenty of homework.

Homework that could have a fighting chance of being set if notice were given by, say, the start of November...

 

[chiefdave]

How do you suggest I teach a practical subject online for a year? Or in school but with no ability to do practical work?

Haven't you answered your own question there. If you have no ability to carry out the practical work in the current setup what difference does it make if it moves online.

Friend of mine's daughter lives in the states and they were told in the summer high school students won't be back until next year at the earliest. I'll ask her what they are doing about this sort of thing.

Surely there has to be a way around it, might not be ideal but theses aren't ideal times. You can do distance learning degrees in practical subjects, how do they handle it?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Haven't you answered your own question there. If you have no ability to carry out the practical work in the current setup what difference does it make if it moves online.

Friend of mine's daughter lives in the states and they were told in the summer high school students won't be back until next year at the earliest. I'll ask her what they are doing about this sort of thing.

Surely there has to be a way around it, might not be ideal but theses aren't ideal times. You can do distance learning degrees in practical subjects, how do they handle it?

I have made the point before we should be out of school because the learning experience is shit either way. Practical subjects done by distance learning would still have you go to a local provider to do things like lab work. Being able to do it is an essential part of the subject

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

At the very least, you'd think we'd be set for a six week Christmas holiday, wouldn't you, with plenty of homework.

Homework that could have a fighting chance of being set if notice were given by, say, the start of November...

My classes complain at getting homework anyway, that should be fun

 

[chiefdave]

We know what's coming then. Too late, and too long as a result, meaning we'll open up again too early...

Reminds me of the misattributed Einstein quote, "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results".

 

[Deleted member 5849]

My classes complain at getting homework anyway, that should be fun

They're schoolchildren, their job is to complain at being asked to do some work.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Reminds me of the misattributed Einstein quote, "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results".

They’re also forgetting Goering’s actual quote about how to obtain support for things people don’t actually want

 

[Deleted member 5849]

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

We know what's coming then. Too late, and too long as a result, meaning we'll open up again too early...

Why wait again!!!!!!

 

[fernandopartridge]

Reminds me of the misattributed Einstein quote, "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results".

I think they're taking an adult talking to a child approach to it, i.e. "if you don't stay at home voluntarily (apart from working, shopping and all the other things our paymasters want) we'll reluctantly impose it on you (and for a long time again because we've fucked it right up again like the mendacious, Tory fuckwits we are)."

 

[clint van damme]

Why wait again!!!!!!

probably got to get on with swindling another local authority out of some cash for his mates first.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

probably got to get on with swindling another local authority out of some cash for his mates first.

I don’t get it. Where the fuck is Boris who is running the country?

Why is chris whitty being quiet or valance quiet

Someone needs to take control. These tiers are not reducing transmission enough. Look at macron and merkel. Macron also mobilising the military to protect oap’s praying in churches from fundamental fuckwits

If we are content with r at 1.5 until
Hospitals are over run then say so

If we are doing the great barrington stuff then say.

Why was shielding an option earlier and not now. Do we no longer care? Or was it pointless before?

 

[djr8369]

How do you suggest I teach a practical subject online for a year? Or in school but with no ability to do practical work?

You either teach the theory and demonstrate via video, teach what you can online and hope the practical aspects can be squeezed in later or students lose out on that practical teaching.
What is the subject?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

You either teach the theory and demonstrate via video, teach what you can online and hope the practical aspects can be squeezed in later or students lose out on that practical teaching.
What is the subject?

One of the sciences

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Glimmer of hope even as Covid cases rise

Cases are levelling off in the north east of England, even as they rise overall.

www.bbc.co.uk