Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (50 Viewers)

[Otis]

Would you have squeezed onto an underground train like they have been?

Not me. I would have walked or got a bike.

 

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[Astute]

Anyone else struggling today? Motivation has got up and got gone

Not here. Having an easy day at work but that could soon change. Take the rough with the smooth. Sitting outside ATM enjoying the sun and waiting for my phone to go off.

 

[Liquid Gold]

I am no doctor so apologies. But I read the paper put up by dj, and based on that & other info thats around, it seems that genetics & individual differences has the biggest part to play- plasma levels and how each individual's body creates an immune response & how it does that with which specific proteins & how effectively each person's body can attack the 'spike' on the virus itself, which is what it uses to bind to & hijack our own cells. The only general interpretation I can see is that if you're the kind of person who gets a headcold and can be back up & bouncing in a couple of days, your body will be more likely to be able to finally produce an immune gene during the 'acute' phase and start to recover, with more antibodies created and eventually overwhelming the virus, so you have a better (but deeply painful) chance. Obviously thats why pre-existing conditions make a big difference, your body has reduced ability to produce antibodies and immune genes, so when it gets to the acute stage there isn't enough left.

So I don't understand how country temperature could make any difference to people, unless immunity is somehow different across regions as a result of the environment they live in. Seems to be much more about how your body works, and thats the scary bit because nobody knows that until they're thrown into a situation with a foreign virus inside them.

And this is also probably nonsense, but based on the paper & info out there, I'd say its pretty important right now to be eating well, staying fit, taking supplements- do absolutely everything you can to make sure that if you do contract this thing, your immune system is strong enough so that when things get serious, it has a fighting chance to create the immunity that is needed to recover.

The temperature thing is less about immune system but about the virus' ability to stay alive outside of the body. The normal flu virus can sit on surfaces for a certain period and get into someone's body that way but once it gets to a certain temperature it is killed off. I think the hope was this virus would be the same.

 

[Astute]

"London Underground already has trains that are "driverless" in the sense that the term "train driver" is traditionally meant. The Victoria, Central and Jubilee lines are operated by Automatic Train Operation (ATO) systems - the Victoria partially so since 1968 - which mean they aren't manually controlled by people sitting in cabs at the front end except in an emergency."

theguardian.com/uk/davehillblog/2012/feb/29/boris-johnson-driverless-underground-trains

Bloke in the front is just there for emergencies.

And if the bloke sitting at the front gets ill....

 

[Astute]

Which country was it where they increased the number of trains but each train would only stop at half the stops on the route and the next one would only go to the stops previously missed.
Good idea, I wonder if we could have done something similar?

Unless you need to get on at one station then get off at one of the missing stops.

 

[NorthernWisdom]

Unless you need to get on at one station then get off at one of the missing stops.

The distance between individual stops isn't too bad to walk.

 

[Liquid Gold]

And if the bloke sitting at the front gets ill....

send him home and bring another one in.

This is a pointless discussion anyway, people shouldn't have to get on tubes or drive tubes because things should have been shut, employees of TfL and everywhere else at home. I'm just taking objection that the spike that looks like coming in London is down to behaviours and not people having to do what's necessary.

 

[shmmeee]

Unless you need to get on at one station then get off at one of the missing stops.

Then you’d just wait for the next train?

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Anyone else struggling today? Motivation has got up and got gone

Yes. Its very wearing being at work and talking & discussing & hearing nothing else apart from disaster recovery, cashflow, layoffs, furlough- then with newsflashes about people testing positive thrown into the mix.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

 

[MalcSB]

Its a tradition among chancellors apparently dating back to an outgoing Tory chancellor in 1964 saying to the incoming Labour chancellor “Sorry old cock, to leave it in this shape”.

Of course normally incoming chancellors have the deceny not make political hay out of what is clearly a joke among peers. Decency and George Osbourne aren’t exactly bedfellows though.

Of course normally outgoing chancellors are joking.

 

[Otis]

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So it WAS around much earlier than we anticipated, just like we said.

 

[shmmeee]

Of course normally outgoing chancellors are joking.

...as was Byrne?

 

[MalcSB]

No it wasn't GB sold the gold as it is a terrible holding which only makes money when you sell it. The money was reinvested in other holdings which pay a continuous income to HMT.

Please don't pretend the current state of the NHS is not due to a decade of under investment

I would say more than a decade and the system needs a total rethink, as does social care.

 

[Astute]

Then you’d just wait for the next train?

That only stops every 2 stations?

 

[MalcSB]

No it wasn't GB sold the gold as it is a terrible holding which only makes money when you sell it. The money was reinvested in other holdings which pay a continuous income to HMT.

Please don't pretend the current state of the NHS is not due to a decade of under investment

Why does everybody buy gold when the shit hits the fan, it would have come in handy now?

 

[cc84cov]

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Pretty much sums up our pathetic government

 

[Otis]

I would say more than a decade and the system needs a total rethink, as does social care.

In the words of the great philosopher, Edwyn Collins, rip it up and start again..

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Why does everybody buy gold when the shit hits the fan, it would have come in handy now?

Mr T must be laughing his head off

 

[Sick Boy]

Anyone else struggling today? Motivation has got up and got gone

Hang in there, there will be ups and downs over the coming weeks but soon the end will be in sight. Use the time to connect with those close to you and even improve or learn new skills.

 

[MalcSB]

Can I add stopping movement to affected areas sooner. People were still going on holiday in Italy as things kicked off there and it was quite clear what was going to happen.

And stopping people going to second homes. Where are the Royal Family by the way?

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Hang in there, there will be ups and downs over the coming weeks but soon the end will be in sight. Use the time to connect with those close to you and even improve or learn new skills.

Ah its ok I guess, just a bit shit at times. Weather is good though.

 

[MalcSB]

...as was Byrne?

Apparently not.

 

[Astute]

And stopping people going to second homes. Where are the Royal Family by the way?

At their 5th home.

 

[MalcSB]

At their 5th home.

That’s ok then.

 

[SkyBlueMatt]

Anyone else struggling today? Motivation has got up and got gone

Yes, the whole thing is starting to get to me now. This is now day 11 of isolation already, another 21 days is going to send me mad :nailbiting:

I've had terrible flu symptoms since last Monday. I couldn't get out of bed for four days but I feel like I'm more or less myself now.

Through it all I didn't believe I had it. Mainly because I had seen my Nan briefly, the Sunday before I started to feel unwell. She has late stage Alzheimer's so it was a case of praying I didn't have it to pass it on. She is fine but I'm starting to believe that I may have had Corona. I think it's too much of a coincidence that I could feel that unwell, with all this going on and that it was normal flu.

 

[shmmeee]

That only stops every 2 stations?

Yeah the other two.

 

[shmmeee]

Apparently not.

There’s literally no way for a government of a fiat currency to have “no money left”. As the Tories showed by doubling the debt since they took over.

 

[Colin Steins Smile]

Correct. But things like that don’t count.

Until they keep spreading the virus across the country, as they move about building.

 

[NortonSkyBlue]

So we have pointed the finger at the government, now we are taken a detour to sneer at the Royal Family! Where do you expect them to be? On a council estate in Wood End?

 

[shmmeee]

And stopping people going to second homes. Where are the Royal Family by the way?

To steal a joke from my WhatsApp group:

Charles is isolating in Balmoral with COVID-19, Andrew is isolating in Windsor with Jennifer, 14.

 

[Grendel]

To steal a joke from my WhatsApp group:

Charles is isolating in Balmoral with COVID-19, Andrew is isolating in Windsor with Jennifer, 14.

Made me laugh that

 

[Otis]

Hang in there, there will be ups and downs over the coming weeks but soon the end will be in sight. Use the time to connect with those close to you and even improve or learn new skills.

Yup. I'm making trees.

 

[Colin Steins Smile]

Banks under fire for coronavirus loan tactics

Same old banks. From 2008 onwards they were refinanced by the government with the direction to get money out into the "real economy". That basically means companies that make and do things. What did they do.....very little...they sat on the cash.
I don't object to paying my tax to HMRC, but I object to the banks using our taxation money to profiteer at the expense of the risk taking entrepreneurs.

 

[David O'Day]

Why does everybody buy gold when the shit hits the fan, it would have come in handy now?

Because they don't understand the actual value and practicalities of a gold reserve and no it wouldn't as we can get better value in selling gilts