Match Thread Rotherham United FC - Coventry City Match Thread - Wednesday 25th Oct

[Otis]

Good, but not a sitter.

So you have moved from your position of we didn't have any very good chances then?


That was a very good chance indeed. He seemed certain to score.

Wait til the highlights come up.

 

[SBT]

It is possible to accumulate a high xG without creating anything clear cut.

It is, but that wasn’t the case last night - go and have a look for yourself, rather than just making stuff up

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[Chris1987]

We don’t have leaders on the pitch.

We have one who cost £4M on the bench

 

[SBT]

Looking at our first half approach to shots on goal last night, the SHOOOOOOOT crowd really got a masterclass

 

[Boicey]

Our formation is currently pretty much 7:1:2.
There are obvious problems with that.

 

[stupot07]

It is, but that wasn’t the case last night - go and have a look for yourself, rather than just making stuff up

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I might be wrong but it looked from the replay that I saw that Godden didn't get a touch to the chance in the 3rd minute. Thats down as a 0.43 alone.

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[Matt smith]

Still there’s always Monday, good performance and result needed

only 3 points of mid table I just don’t see where the next win is coming from, still been through worse

 

[SBT]

I might be wrong but it looked from the replay that I saw that Godden didn't get a touch to the chance in the 3rd minute. Thats down as a 0.43 alone.

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Doesn’t matter anyway - we had multiple chances that were equal to or better than Rotherham’s chances, that’s what we’re discussing here.

 

[shmmeee]

They move to the same space a lot I think, getting in each others way. Wright makes the Gyok run wide quite a lot so it’s less of an issue as Simms tends to sit central.

Beeb saying this for ages. They’re too similar. It’s one or the other.

 

[Chris1987]

Still there’s always Monday, good performance and result needed

only 3 points of mid table I just don’t see where the next win is coming from, still been through worse

Do you think that Robins will change things up as I can't see anything altering if he doesn't?
Maybe COH is enough to spark the players around him

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

What is it with MVE ? He has pace to burn but instead of trying to take on the opposing defender and get a cross in he invariably cuts inside and plays a short pass to a player who frequently has a man on him . I can't decide whether this is lack of confidence or whether he has been instructed by the coaching staff to attempt to retain possession. Just have a bloody go at beating the man and crossing the ball into the box.

It’s the coaching for me as the one on the other side does the same admittedly he doesn’t have any pace, we have two big boys in the box and hardly ever give them a chance to head one.

 

[Gint11]

Absolutely shite. Lost for words. Why have we changed from a style that worked. We were a less possession but fast countering team and now we’re a possession based team passing sideways? We are so slow as well. Even if we counter quickly, once it gets to Simms or Palmer (when he’s playing) it slows right down.

Not a bedwetter yet but Robins game management and substitutes are poor.

COH looked good when he came on!

 

[Grendel]

What you have just quoted is surely based on Birdwell or do you just listen to cwr and not attend games?

Da silva is slow. One of the Bristol fans came on here and said he doesn’t have any pace and he doesn’t

 

[shmmeee]

He's a tidier footballer, but he is no more attacking or defensive than Bidwell, there's very little between them. If I was Bidwell, I would be banging on Robins doors asking why I'm getting no minutes.

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And if I were Robins I’d say it’s because when you’ve come on you’re crap.

 

[Chris1987]

Absolutely shite. Lost for words. Why have we changed from a style that worked. We were a less possession but fast countering team and now we’re a possession based team passing sideways? We are so slow as well. Even if we counter quickly, once it gets to Simms or Palmer (when he’s playing) it slows right down.

Not a bedwetter yet but Robins game management and substitutes are poor.

COH looked good when he came on!

There are 2 very big factors missing to attempt to play with the old style. None of this lot could play those roles

 

[shmmeee]

Yeah we need to be honest. We’ve had two match winners ripped out the side and nothing close replacing them.

Wright should be that player. Kitching should be that player. They’re clearly not.

 

[Grendel]

King has said it's a 5 year plan though. Fair enough I expected a lot more with the "quality" of signings made but if this is a transitional season then so be it

Hes said 3 play offs in 5 seasons. It looks like 3 in 4 now.

The other thing he admitted is the budget includes the vast increase in TV money. Let’s not kid ourselves here - if we don’t improve league position by January he will be considering the possibility of losing £15 million TV revenue

 

[Grendel]

This has to be repeated a lot for some reason, but he's sold £35 million worth of players. So in terms of squad value he's down £15 mil.

That is utter nonsense

 

[Grendel]

I think you're missing the point, we're comparing the team Robins had at the end of last season - just before Vik and Gus were sold - to the team Robins has now. This team - value wise according to purchase and sale price - is worth £15 mil less than that team. So essentially he should have a worse team on his hands now. Also add to the fact that he had multiple loan signings, which were worth a lot combined, so you would also have to add that onto the value of the team towards the end of last season. We're not comparing this team to when Gus and Vik were first signed on permanent deals. If you're going to go down that road then at least be accurate about it.

lol

 

[napolimp]

That is utter nonsense

That's fine if you think that, but it's still accurate. Ergo, cannot be nonsense.

I'm not stating an opinion, I'm just stating the facts.

 

[Grendel]

You had your mind made up the moment he signed.

He was decent in the first half and poor in the second. Certainly not alone in that respect.

He's better than Bidwell and the manager agrees.

Your track record on wing backs recently is less than impressive. How's Todd Kane getting on?

I think you will find my views on him are pretty tame compared to most on here. Take it up with the other dissenters

Yes the manager agrees. He also seems to think his £4 million centre half isn’t good enough either and his £7 million striker isnt as good as a 32 year old

 

[BlueSkiesForever]

We’ve lost more quality than we’ve brought in. By definition.

I think overall we have more quality but it’s just that it’s spread out across all positions and unfortunately for us it seems that it’s better to have a handful of exceptional quality players to carry your team rather than have a whole team full of just decent quality players.

 

[Theonlywayisskyblue]

Isn't the main concern that we just don't look as though we're improving nor really building an understanding of playing together as a team. I was prepared to accept this as a year of transition but at the moment we're going backwards, lack leaders on the pitch and once we go behind we look bereft. We should be seeing greater cohesion and its just not there

 

[stupot07]

And if I were Robins I’d say it’s because when you’ve come on you’re crap.

Tbf not all players do well off the bench

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[Grendel]

That's fine if you think that, but it's still accurate. Ergo, cannot be nonsense. I'm not stating an opinion, I'm just stating the facts.

It isn’t accurate as the money is used across the whole squad so the squad is improved By your logic Brentford when they sold Watkins and purchased Ivan Toney had a weaker squad

in fact their net spent that season was not £15m like us but £54 million

They got promoted

 

[Matt smith]

Do you think that Robins will change things up as I can't see anything altering if he doesn't?
Maybe COH is enough to spark the players around him

For me we just need to become a busy side again who will set the tone with work ethic

Sheaf Allen O hare and Tats/Palmer in a box with one of the strikers up front, not wright obviously

 

[napolimp]

It isn’t accurate as the money is used across the whole squad so the squad is improved By your logic Brentford when they sold Watkins and purchased Ivan Toney had a weaker squad

in fact their net spent that season was not £15m like us but £54 million

They got promoted

It absolutely is accurate. The team towards the end of last season was valued higher than the team we have now. Not sure what you're not understanding about that. Whether the team is actually better or worse - as per the Brentford example your giving - is irrelevant to the point being made.

 

[Macca1987]

If you're suggesting going back to the box, then I think we will have to rely on the midfielders scoring, as having one striker whether it be Simms/Wright or Godden worries me where the goals are coming from

 

[Grendel]

It absolutely is accurate. The team towards the end of last season was valued higher than the team we have now. Not sure what you're not understanding about that. Whether the team is actually better or worse - as per the Brentford example your giving - is irrelevant to the point being made.

No it isn’t as the money used strengthens the whole team.

So when we signed Gyokeres you are saying he’s not as good as any outgoing player who would have been sold for more than a million?

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

That's fine if you think that, but it's still accurate. Ergo, cannot be nonsense.

I'm not stating an opinion, I'm just stating the facts.

Brighton are currently 94m down on their squad from last season… doesn’t seem to cause them issue.

your “fact” in isolation is nonsense for instance, Our defence last season is worth £0 based on what it’s gone for and is now worth 11/12m and it’s worse

 

[Chris1987]

If you're suggesting going back to the box, then I think we will have to rely on the midfielders scoring, as having one striker whether it be Simms/Wright or Godden worries me where the goals are coming from

Can't be any worse . I'm worried where the goals are coming from now

 

[Grendel]

Brighton are currently 94m down on their squad from last season… doesn’t seem to cause them issue.

your “fact” in isolation is nonsense for instance, Our defence last season is worth £0 based on what it’s gone for and is now worth 11/12m and it’s worse

By his logic the squad was made worse when we signed Hamer as Tom Bayliss was sold for more money

 

[napolimp]

No it isn’t as the money used strengthens the whole team.

So when we signed Gyokeres you are saying he’s not as good as any outgoing player who would have been sold for more than a million?

I really don't understand why you've got a hard on about this. The original post the response was made to, declared we should be a lot better because we've spent £15 mil. I'm stating this team is worth less than the one we had towards the end of last season, which is accurate. You can make of that what you will, but we certainly haven't improved the value of the team by £15 mil.

 

[napolimp]

By his logic the squad was made worse when we signed Hamer as Tom Bayliss was sold for more money

Not at all, again you're missing the point. When we sold Bayliss for over a million more than the perceived value of the player coming in, we shouldn't have automatically expected the team to be better at that time - and I certainly didn't. I can't even remember whether Hamer immediately made the team better TBH.

 

[Grendel]

I really don't understand why you've got a hard on about this. The original post the response was made to, declared we should be a lot better because we've spent £15 mil. I'm stating this team is worth less than the one we had towards the end of last season, which is accurate. You can make of that what you will, but we certainly haven't improved the value of the team by £15 mil.

As I said by your logic when we signed Hamer as his fee was less than Bayliss it’s squad depreciation