How will we fare next season

[DazzleTommyDazzle]

but got comprehensively outplayed by the team that finished second..twice

It happens.

Remember us doing the double over that Fulham side that won the league and scored over 100 goals (Agg score 7-2).

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

It happens.

Remember us doing the double over that Fulham side that won the league and scored over 100 goals (Agg score 7-2).

Good point, it might also be worth mentioning that we won't have beaten any of the sides that come up with us. Ipswich also dicked this squad in the FA Cup the previous year, when they were in the premier league .

 

[shmmeee]

In a prem squad and played in the prem?

About half as much as Ellis Simms.

 

[TomRad85]

Good point, it might also be worth mentioning that we won't have beaten any of the sides that come up with us. Ipswich also dicked this squad in the FA Cup the previous year, when they were in the premier league .

Who cares? We smoked them all over the course of the season without being diving cheats and without being spying cheats.

 

[DazzleTommyDazzle]

Good point, it might also be worth mentioning that we won't have beaten any of the sides that come up with us. Ipswich also dicked this squad in the FA Cup the previous year, when they were in the premier league .

They did, but as I recall we made quite a few changes that day (as did they). I didn’t get the impression it was top of our priority list at that time - probably memories of the impact of the previous year’s cup run.

 

[stupot07]

About half as much as Ellis Simms.

174 mins in the premier league for Esse since he joined 18 months ago...that's some straw clutching.

 

[David O'Day]

They did, but as I recall we made quite a few changes that day (as did they). I didn’t get the impression it was top of our priority list at that time - probably memories of the impact of the previous year’s cup run.

We have Lats playing RWB which tells you all you need

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Who cares? We smoked them all over the course of the season without being diving cheats and without being spying cheats.

We smoked them on the basis of being better agaisnt championship sides, but come up short agaisnt the other promoted sides?

Southampton are the only side that out performed us since Eckert came in - the argument that we won the league means we only need a couple of tweaks is completely unsighted.

Out of the 3 relegated sides - we picked up 1 win in 6 games. Even Leicester outplayed us in 3/4 halves and they were a complete mess

 

[stupot07]

The premier league is harder than the championship for certain

But why do people have to put down what we have to make a point ?
Leeds have been using several players as starters from last seasons team , sunderland have been using 3 or 4 often and they finished about 20 points below us in the championship


We have several players here who will be starting next season and they will do well

Leeds is an interesting comparison, they were in the PL a couple of seasons ago and we're a parachute payments club when they were promoted last season. Their players from last season still in their first 11.

Of those featuring the most, only Tanaka has little or no top flight experience prior to this season in in of the big 5 European leagues (PL, Bundesliga, Series A, Ligue 1, La Liga)

Prior to this season:

Ampadu - 89 apps in PL, Bundesliga and Serie A before jointing Leeds
Rodon - 29 PL and Ligue 1 apps signed for £11m
Struijk - 75 PL apps
Bogle - 50 PL apps
Aaronson - 68 apps in PL and Bundesliga signed for £24m
Dan James - 103 apps in PL, joined for £25m
Tanaka - no top top flight experience
Darlow - 7 seasons as second choice in PL and 40+ PL games

It shows they used their parachute payments money well, building for the PL, not just for promotion. When you look at Ipswich I don't see the same level of long-term planning.

 

[TomRad85]

We smoked them on the basis of being better agaisnt championship sides, but come up short agaisnt the other promoted sides?

Southampton are the only side that out performed us since Eckert came in - the argument that we won the league means we only need a couple of tweaks is completely unsighted.

Out of the 3 relegated sides - we picked up 1 win in 6 games. Even Leicester outplayed us in 3/4 halves and they were a complete mess

I didn't say we only needed a couple tweaks, I'm fully aware of what is needed. But I'm not worried about the other promoted teams at all.

 

[Evo1883]

Leeds is an interesting comparison, they were in the PL a couple of seasons ago and we're a parachute payments club when they were promoted last season. Their players from last season still in their first 11.

Of those featuring the most, only Tanaka has little or no top flight experience prior to this season in in of the big 5 European leagues (PL, Bundesliga, Series A, Ligue 1, La Liga)

Ampadu - 89 apps in PL, Bundesliga and Serie A before jointing Leeds
Rodon - 29 PL and Ligue 1 apps signed for £11m
Struijk - 75 PL apps
Bogle - 50 PL apps
Aaronson - 68 apps in PL and Bundesliga signed for £24m
Dan James - 103 apps in PL, joined for £25m
Tanaka - no top top flight experience
Darlow - 7 seasons as second choice in PL and 40+ PL games

It shows they used their parachute payments money well, building for the PL, not just for promotion.

And we know the Sunderland splashed nearly £200m last summer with a net spend of £150m

The sunderland one is hard to compare with us entirley as we finished so far ahead of what they did the job is competely different .

We finished on almost as many points as leeds , i believe qe have several players with profiles that can adapt and thrive in the premier league already in the squad

 

[LarryGrayson]

The sunderland one is hard to compare with us entirley as we finished so far ahead of what they did the job is competely different .

We finished on almost as many points as leeds , i believe qe have several players with profiles that can adapt and thrive in the premier league already in the squad

i still think this season might be a blip and sunderland go down next season anyway

 

[Evo1883]

i still think this season might be a blip and sunderland go down next season anyway

I think personally they will push on

 

[shmmeee]

174 mins in the premier league for Esse since he joined 18 months ago...that's some straw clutching.

I wouldn’t call less than two full games an established PL player is the point. He was a championship player signed in the hope he’d improve and he hasn’t. Would be like calling Brau an established championship player. Some gambles don’t come off.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

We’ll finish above saints

 

[Warwickhunt]

I hope the teams take us for granted in the first 10 games like they did Leicester and by the that time we could embed ourselves in the league! We all know the benefit of a good start don't we?.

 

[JohnWH]

Haven't read anything on the thread, but I'm torn between the possibilities of accepting dead last or a surprising mid table finish. Hadn't watched a Premier League since early 2000s so it's all strange and new again. Actually, take that back, did watch Manure vs somebody at a bar when my uncle visited last year. Wasnt impressed. With recent history as a guide showing typically one or two promoted clubs struggling hard, I suppose I'll try to be optimistic and assume maybe we'll be fine. Mostly, realizing the win % under Frank being so incredibly impressive, gives me a sense that he must be doing something right, especially winning the whole damn league outright.

So I suppose as long as we beat Villa 2x, end up 2-0-36, I guess I've met all my expectations and won't be crying come May, 2027.

I've said before, doing jack shit now gets the team £100 million next year + £40(?) Million for three years after. Finally let's get those toilets fixed from the Birmingham fans visit, and add a nice, concierge to assist the coke addled youths in the toilets.

 

[Lamps]

but got comprehensively outplayed by the team that finished second..twice

Both games were when we had been badly affected with the virus, injuries to several of our best players and also suspensions to our defenders all at the same time. They should have had a player sent off and that player then scored.

Their cheating wasn't on the same level as Southampton, but they were well versed on how to fall over to get a penalty.

 

[Skybluefaz]

It seems fashionable to slag off Arsenal for being a dull anti football team. I know it was another set piece last night but it was an incredible delivery and I thought they played some lovely football .
Be nice if we kept our same approach- but just with upgraded talent.

Arteta acting like a total wanker does not help them.

 

[Sky Blue Harry H]

Villa coverage getting on my nerves, but it's a win/win for me. Lose, and we watch their tears. Win, and it drags another English team into European competition next season, and we want as many as possible involved, to give us any small advantages, due to teams being knackered, resting players, squads overstretched etc. Every little helps and all that!

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Over the last five seasons 10 of the 15 (66%) promoted teams have been relegated in their first seasons, and 2 of the 5 teams that survived that first season were still in receipt of Premier League Payments. That means just 5 of 85 (17 existing teams x 5 seasons) existing teams got relegated in that period (5.9%)

In the previous 5 years only 5 of the 15 (33%) promoted teams were relegated in their first season.

The PL gap has widened considerably. We can still stay up, astute signings and tactics with a lot of luck. But let's not pretend there isn't a gulf in class. We will start the season as one the of the pundits and bookies favourites to go down.

I don’t think the gap has grown per se - it’s always been difficult for promoted team to stay up. This is one of narratives that has been exaggerated imo.

This year 2 newly promoted teams have stay up this year and because of PSR, there’s an opportunity that to outcompete over-leveraged teams in the division.

 

[wingy]

I don’t think the gap has grown per se - it’s always been difficult for promoted team to stay up. This is one of narratives that has been exaggerated imo.

This year 2 newly promoted teams have stay up this year and because of PSR, there’s an opportunity that to outcompete over-leveraged teams in the division.

Isn't it something new for next season SCR or another acronym?

 

[Mercian In Anglia]

I don’t think the gap has grown per se - it’s always been difficult for promoted team to stay up. This is one of narratives that has been exaggerated imo.

This year 2 newly promoted teams have stay up this year and because of PSR, there’s an opportunity that to outcompete over-leveraged teams in the division.

pretty easy to follow chart of promoted/relegated teams here:

List of Premier League seasons - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

seems between one and two going straight back has always been the norm, also a fair few only last a season. The two seasons before last with all 3 going are an anomaly though.

 

[Warwickhunt]

Villa coverage getting on my nerves, but it's a win/win for me. Lose, and we watch their tears. Win, and it drags another English team into European competition next season, and we want as many as possible involved, to give us any small advantages, due to teams being knackered, resting players, squads overstretched etc. Every little helps and all that!

Or us sneaking a place

 

[blunted]

I don’t think the gap has grown per se - it’s always been difficult for promoted team to stay up. This is one of narratives that has been exaggerated imo.

This year 2 newly promoted teams have stay up this year and because of PSR, there’s an opportunity that to outcompete over-leveraged teams in the division.

Think it has got incrementally harder year on year. Every time we got promoted in the lower leagues, we had to replace most of the team. No different in the Prem but very difficult to get the right players even with £100 million to spend (see Ipswich). Sunderland spent £155 million. Lot of very rich owners up there that can get around any rules. Look at Newcastle, you can never compete with them on payments and look where they finished.
You are competing with every team that can pay bigger fees to clubs, agents and wages. Can be done, but much tougher.
The managers get better in the Prem as well, so you are not out thinking duffers, like the last time we were up there.

 

[shepardo01]

So we are going up against some of the best teams in Europe!....

Villa have looked very very good this last week....

 

[Sky Blue Harry H]

Villa have looked very very good this last week....

Wash your mouth out, and go and have a good, long, hard look at yourself in the mirror.

 

[Hybridtheory]

Ideally you want a decent set of fixtures to start with not the first 6 games being the top 6 and you have a point after half a dozen games ! Sunderland had a good start and it carried on

 

[Martw]

As I said to a friend yesterday, Satdee 3pm Kick Offs are going to be rarer than Hens teeth. Is it 8 clubs will be playing in Europe? As somebody who has to travel a distance to home games, I just hope we can avoid as many Monday Night Home games.

 

[Speedies_Chips]

We smoked them on the basis of being better agaisnt championship sides, but come up short agaisnt the other promoted sides?

Southampton are the only side that out performed us since Eckert came in - the argument that we won the league means we only need a couple of tweaks is completely unsighted.

Out of the 3 relegated sides - we picked up 1 win in 6 games. Even Leicester outplayed us in 3/4 halves and they were a complete mess

It was actually 2 wins, but still a relatively poor return.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

It was actually 2 wins, but still a relatively poor return.

I mean't the 3 sides relegated from the premier league. That being said - i forgot our record against the bottom 3 was as bad.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Think it has got incrementally harder year on year. Every time we got promoted in the lower leagues, we had to replace most of the team. No different in the Prem but very difficult to get the right players even with £100 million to spend (see Ipswich). Sunderland spent £155 million. Lot of very rich owners up there that can get around any rules. Look at Newcastle, you can never compete with them on payments and look where they finished.
You are competing with every team that can pay bigger fees to clubs, agents and wages. Can be done, but much tougher.
The managers get better in the Prem as well, so you are not out thinking duffers, like the last time we were up there.

Ipswich spent £100m on top end Championship players and it showed. The Prem isn’t the closed shop that’s made out to be. It’s a tough league, 100% and will punish teams who do not invest well enough.

Equally, over-leveraged Prem teams will be punished such as well if they don’t recruit well. You’ve got teams like Fulham, Bournemouth and Palace who are undergoing significant changes.

I’m confident we’ll adapt well and stay up by hook and crook.

 

[Hybridtheory]

As I said to a friend yesterday, Satdee 3pm Kick Offs are going to be rarer than Hens teeth. Is it 8 clubs will be playing in Europe? As somebody who has to travel a distance to home games, I just hope we can avoid as many Monday Night Home games.

Even the smaller teams in terms of support like Brentford , Bournemouth etc will be on tv about 15 times

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Was FM lying when it said you get £2.5 million per TV appearance?

 

[JohnWH]

Was FM lying when it said you get £2.5 million per TV appearance?

Where is the camera and how can I apply?