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If the club is serious about becoming a sustainable top level club, I think one of the long term priorities should be working towards Category 1 academy status.
It would not be cheap, and it would not happen overnight, but if we want to operate with a Premier League mindset, the Academy has to become a much bigger part of the club’s long term strategy.

Why Category 1 matters
Category 1 is the highest academy status under the Premier League’s Elite Player Performance Plan. It gives clubs access to the strongest academy competitions, including Premier League 2 at Under 21 level and the Under 18 Premier League, as well as a better games programme from younger age groups upwards.
There is a significant difference between Category 2 and Category 1.

Category 2 is still a strong academy level, but it has lower staffing, facility and contact time requirements. It is more affordable, but the games programme, recruitment pull and overall development pathway are not at the same level as Category 1.

Category 1 is the elite level. It means better facilities, more full time specialist staff, stronger coaching, education, welfare, analysis, medical and sports science provision, and regular competition against the best academies in the country.

For the club, the benefits would be clear:

1. A better development pathway

Our best young players would be tested against stronger opposition more regularly, which should improve their development and make the step into first team football more realistic.

2. Attracting better young talent
If we want to compete with clubs like Brighton, Brentford, Palace, Forest and others for young players, then facilities, coaching, education, academy status and the quality of the games programme all matter.

3. Protecting and increasing player value
A strong academy can produce first team players or generate transfer income. One or two successful academy graduates could justify years of investment.

4. Long term squad building
If we want two quality players for every position, some of that depth has to come from within. We cannot keep buying every player.

5. Club identity
There is always something special about seeing academy players come through and play for the first team. It keeps a connection between the club, the city and the supporters.

The cost

The downside is obvious: Category 1 status is expensive.
Historic EPPP estimates put Category 1 at around £2.5m per year, with at least 18 full-time staff, while Category 2 was estimated at around £1m per year. In reality, a competitive Category 1 academy may cost more once you include coaching, recruitment, education, welfare, analysis, medical support, sports science, travel and facilities.
So, if the difference between Category 2 and Category 1 is roughly £1.5m to £2m+ per year, the question is whether the return justifies the investment.
For me, it does. In Premier League terms, that extra annual cost is relatively small compared with transfer fees and wages. If Category 1 status helps us produce one first team player every few years, or one player who can be sold for a significant fee, it could pay for itself. It would also help with recruitment, retention and the overall reputation of the club.

Where we would stand compared with other clubs
Most Premier League clubs either already have Category 1 academies or are moving in that direction. Bournemouth are the obvious Premier League club still working towards it, while Brentford have now been awarded Category 1 status from the start of the 2026/27 season.
There are also several clubs outside the current Premier League, or clubs who have recently been outside it, with Category 1 academies, including:

Blackburn
Birmingham
Derby
Leicester
Middlesbrough
Norwich
Reading
Southampton
Stoke
West Brom

That shows the level we would need to reach if we want the Academy to match the ambition of the first team.

For me, this should be part of Doug King’s long term plan: improve the first team, improve the training ground, upgrade the stadium, and push the Academy towards Category 1.

It may take years and it would need proper investment, but if we want to become a sustainable Premier League club, the Academy has to be part of the foundation.

What does everyone else think? Is Category 1 status worth the investment?
 
It’s the physical Acadamy that’s upmost important, we have land behind Higgs signed off for performance centre. That must be put in motion OR another solution - then you can worry about cat 1.
 
If the club is serious about becoming a sustainable top level club, I think one of the long term priorities should be working towards Category 1 academy status.
It would not be cheap, and it would not happen overnight, but if we want to operate with a Premier League mindset, the Academy has to become a much bigger part of the club’s long term strategy.

Why Category 1 matters
Category 1 is the highest academy status under the Premier League’s Elite Player Performance Plan. It gives clubs access to the strongest academy competitions, including Premier League 2 at Under 21 level and the Under 18 Premier League, as well as a better games programme from younger age groups upwards.
There is a significant difference between Category 2 and Category 1.

Category 2 is still a strong academy level, but it has lower staffing, facility and contact time requirements. It is more affordable, but the games programme, recruitment pull and overall development pathway are not at the same level as Category 1.

Category 1 is the elite level. It means better facilities, more full time specialist staff, stronger coaching, education, welfare, analysis, medical and sports science provision, and regular competition against the best academies in the country.

For the club, the benefits would be clear:

1. A better development pathway

Our best young players would be tested against stronger opposition more regularly, which should improve their development and make the step into first team football more realistic.

2. Attracting better young talent
If we want to compete with clubs like Brighton, Brentford, Palace, Forest and others for young players, then facilities, coaching, education, academy status and the quality of the games programme all matter.

3. Protecting and increasing player value
A strong academy can produce first team players or generate transfer income. One or two successful academy graduates could justify years of investment.

4. Long term squad building
If we want two quality players for every position, some of that depth has to come from within. We cannot keep buying every player.

5. Club identity
There is always something special about seeing academy players come through and play for the first team. It keeps a connection between the club, the city and the supporters.

The cost

The downside is obvious: Category 1 status is expensive.
Historic EPPP estimates put Category 1 at around £2.5m per year, with at least 18 full-time staff, while Category 2 was estimated at around £1m per year. In reality, a competitive Category 1 academy may cost more once you include coaching, recruitment, education, welfare, analysis, medical support, sports science, travel and facilities.
So, if the difference between Category 2 and Category 1 is roughly £1.5m to £2m+ per year, the question is whether the return justifies the investment.
For me, it does. In Premier League terms, that extra annual cost is relatively small compared with transfer fees and wages. If Category 1 status helps us produce one first team player every few years, or one player who can be sold for a significant fee, it could pay for itself. It would also help with recruitment, retention and the overall reputation of the club.

Where we would stand compared with other clubs
Most Premier League clubs either already have Category 1 academies or are moving in that direction. Bournemouth are the obvious Premier League club still working towards it, while Brentford have now been awarded Category 1 status from the start of the 2026/27 season.
There are also several clubs outside the current Premier League, or clubs who have recently been outside it, with Category 1 academies, including:

Blackburn
Birmingham
Derby
Leicester
Middlesbrough
Norwich
Reading
Southampton
Stoke
West Brom

That shows the level we would need to reach if we want the Academy to match the ambition of the first team.

For me, this should be part of Doug King’s long term plan: improve the first team, improve the training ground, upgrade the stadium, and push the Academy towards Category 1.

It may take years and it would need proper investment, but if we want to become a sustainable Premier League club, the Academy has to be part of the foundation.

What does everyone else think? Is Category 1 status worth the investment?
Long term yes. But right now?

Our next aim is to become an established Prem side. If and when we do it would be time to invest in the sustainability of being a Prem side.
 
Definitely not a priority for me. Leicester have state of the art academy facilities which is now a millstone round their neck!
 
How come some of these struggling to produce talent?


  • Arsenal
  • Aston Villa
  • Blackburn Rovers
  • Brighton & Hove Albion
  • Birmingham City (Promoted 2025)
  • Burnley (Promoted 2025)
  • Chelsea
  • Crystal Palace
  • Derby County
  • Everton
  • Fulham
  • Leeds United
  • Leicester City
  • Liverpool
  • Manchester City
  • Manchester United
  • Middlesbrough
  • Newcastle United
  • Norwich City
  • Nottingham Forest
  • Reading
  • Southampton
  • Stoke City
  • Sunderland
  • Tottenham Hotspur
  • West Bromwich Albion
  • West Ham United
  • Wolverhampton Wanderers
 
I understand the point but the list of clubs with Category 1 academies are hardly a shining example of its success. It'd be nice to have but definitely not a priority at the minute imo.
Brentford being the exact polar opposite if I'm not mistaken?
 
Wouldn't bother. Other fish to fry. As all we have had from the last five years from the youth academy is eccles, it's probably better just to buy in good prospects who have shown real promise. Let other clubs take the financial hit of running a tier one academy
 
The only thing I hate more than AI slop is people passing AI slop off as their own.

would be fantastic if we could cut this shit out, it's fucking everywhere as it is.

I get the draw of Ai pictures and stuff but posts is just so lame. Let's keep this place genuine for human interaction even if the ideas and thoughts are chaotic or boneheaded sometimes it's way better than this shite.
 
The only thing I hate more than AI slop is people passing AI slop off as their own.

would be fantastic if we could cut this shit out, it's fucking everywhere as it is.

I get the draw of Ai pictures and stuff but posts is just so lame. Let's keep this place genuine for human interaction even if the ideas and thoughts are chaotic or boneheaded sometimes it's way better than this shite.

Here’s a response that pushes back a bit but keeps things grounded and human, without escalating the tone:
I get where you’re coming from — nobody enjoys seeing low‑effort stuff passed off as someone’s own work. But AI isn’t automatically “slop,” and not everyone using it is trying to deceive anyone. Some people use it as a tool, some as a creative outlet, some just for fun.
What actually matters is honesty. If someone’s pretending something is their original work when it isn’t, that’s the real issue — and that existed long before AI.
We can keep things genuine without assuming every AI‑assisted post is trash. People are still behind the keyboard, even if they use new tools along the way.
 
Brentford being the exact polar opposite if I'm not mistaken?
They binned their Academy in 2016 and re-started it 2022/23....it became Cat 1 this year 👍.
My personal opinion is having a Cat 1 academy isn't a priority for the Club currently.
 
Here’s a response that pushes back a bit but keeps things grounded and human, without escalating the tone:
I get where you’re coming from — nobody enjoys seeing low‑effort stuff passed off as someone’s own work. But AI isn’t automatically “slop,” and not everyone using it is trying to deceive anyone. Some people use it as a tool, some as a creative outlet, some just for fun.
What actually matters is honesty. If someone’s pretending something is their original work when it isn’t, that’s the real issue — and that existed long before AI.
We can keep things genuine without assuming every AI‑assisted post is trash. People are still behind the keyboard, even if they use new tools along the way.
Arnold Schwarzenegger Reaction GIF

Makes me want to vomit. We are doomed, atleast at the moment it's usually pretty easy to spot, won't last long though.
 
Here’s a response that pushes back a bit but keeps things grounded and human, without escalating the tone:
I get where you’re coming from — nobody enjoys seeing low‑effort stuff passed off as someone’s own work. But AI isn’t automatically “slop,” and not everyone using it is trying to deceive anyone. Some people use it as a tool, some as a creative outlet, some just for fun.
What actually matters is honesty. If someone’s pretending something is their original work when it isn’t, that’s the real issue — and that existed long before AI.
We can keep things genuine without assuming every AI‑assisted post is trash. People are still behind the keyboard, even if they use new tools along the way.
Paranoia is kicking in big time 😱

Genuinely struggling to decide whether you wrote this yourself or not. Are any of us real?
 
It’s clearly not AI unless it’s got some custom instructions. Sounds nothing like it. It’s just formatted and long.
 
Liverpool "academy product" Rio Ngumoha was poached from Chelsea 2 years ago for a cost of £2.8m compensation. Connor Bradley was signed from an Irish club.
 
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Long term yes. But right now?

Our next aim is to become an established Prem side. If and when we do it would be time to invest in the sustainability of being a Prem side.

I don't think cat 1 is a priority but it would be nice to upgrade the facilities and ideally combine the academy with an upgraded training ground too

How I feel. Should be a long term aim but not an immediate need. It costs a lot of money that you really need to be in the PL to afford and we need to cement our place there for this to be feasible.

Of course it would help us attract (and keep) the better players or at least get a better compensation package. After all not many youngsters actually come through.

I'd rather see improved training facilities that the academy can use. And for clubs to join together to fight the grossly unfair system that means smaller clubs rarely benefit from bringing through talent as it's hovered up by the big clubs for a pittance. Basically, you need either a late developer so they go under the radar (though most clubs would likely have released them by that stage) or a local lad who is such a big fan they want to play for you or they can see a bit more long term and see a better route for progression towards first team football.
 
As our recent history shows-there needs to be a pathway to the first team and opportunity for young players for it to thrive.

It’s easier in the lower divisions where we had to give those opportunities to young players because of lack of transfer funds.

Those opportunities obviously dried up as we bought in better players.

Only have to look at Andrews and Obikwu to see that if City were in League 1 or 2 they’re good enough to be playing in the first team.


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I've been thinking about this one for a little while, figuring it would be Doug's logical next step in non-commercial improvements off the pitch - but he's literally never mentioned this as a goal anywhere I have read or heard. I assume there is a good reason for that, but not sure.

We would be one of maybe 3 or 4 prem clubs that aren't Cat 1 (Ipswich, Us, Bournemouth and Hull or Millwall if they win playoffs. Plenty of Champ clubs also have this status. They can't all be stupid, so there's presumably an advantage here.

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I think having an academy shouldn't necessarily mean you become a selling club as many lower level clubs have found. The club wants to build for the future, but the players and their parents want them to join a top club.

We have many expert supporters on here and I would like to ask, over the last 10 years has our academy bore fruit? Where are most of our lads playing now?

If I could have a wish from the past it would be to have a reserve team and league like in the old days. I used to go a lot with my dad and mates to the reserve games. There would often be a couple of hundred fans and the team was a mix of players coming back from injury, youngsters, local trialed players and 'reserves'. I do miss those games.
 
I think having an academy shouldn't necessarily mean you become a selling club as many lower level clubs have found. The club wants to build for the future, but the players and their parents want them to join a top club.

We have many expert supporters on here and I would like to ask, over the last 10 years has our academy bore fruit? Where are most of our lads playing now?

If I could have a wish from the past it would be to have a reserve team and league like in the old days. I used to go a lot with my dad and mates to the reserve games. There would often be a couple of hundred fans and the team was a mix of players coming back from injury, youngsters, local trialed players and 'reserves'. I do miss those games.

Thing is weve been down in league one and two for the life of anyone likely to come through the academy. Players like Monga would likely be here and not Leicester if they were coming through now.
 
We’ve been producing the talent, just Couldn’t hold onto them, Marlon Barrett now playing for man city under 18s. Seen him play a few times and was very good, left sided defender aswell, just what we’ll need
 
I've been thinking about this one for a little while, figuring it would be Doug's logical next step in non-commercial improvements off the pitch - but he's literally never mentioned this as a goal anywhere I have read or heard. I assume there is a good reason for that, but not sure.

We would be one of maybe 3 or 4 prem clubs that aren't Cat 1 (Ipswich, Us, Bournemouth and Hull or Millwall if they win playoffs. Plenty of Champ clubs also have this status. They can't all be stupid, so there's presumably an advantage here.

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I guess since he's been here we've not brought anyone through from the academy and the U18/U21 teams results as a whole have been terrible. Plus anyone any good has been poached before their scholarship for peanuts.

He's probably wondering where the value is as we just seem to take these kids on then release most of them at 18 and the rest a few years later after they've padded out the U21's.

If we had a couple of big players come through and make the club money like we had with Maddison and Wilson he'd be more receptive.

If we want an academy set-up that actually brings players through and is of benefit to clubs lower down the pyramid we have to start capping squad sizes without age caveats, so big clubs that hoard youngsters have to basically release them rather than keep hold of them and send them out on loan until they're nearing their mid-20's. And even capping the number of academy scholars per team to say 11-15 per year group.
 
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Short term aim has to be to secure the Coaching staff including FL. Soon as that is done id invest in the training facility including the improvements in dept such as recruitment, medical, sports science, data analyst etc . Then its on the pitch we have to bring in the right players to secure staying in the prem.

Academy and ground improvements can follow and be done over time.
 

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