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clint van damme said:
I think anyone calling for a minister to resign over a fixed penalty is stretching it.
To be honest, I wouldn't know what the protocol is for a senior politician to do the awareness course, it sounds as though isn't to approach the civil service for a private one though.
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Didn't Sunak and Johnson have FPN's?

I have been on a course - it was in some place in Foleshill - the notion a Cabinet Minister can attend one is stupid
 
Grendel said:
Didn't Sunak and Johnson have FPN's?

I have been on a course - it was in some place in Foleshill - the notion a Cabinet Minister can attend one is stupid
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Wasn't the issue more that she was trying to get the course rather than the penalty points? I'd agree in the grand scheme of things it's minor, but it's more another dot on her rap sheet isn't it. Same as Johnson with parties 0 whenever they whip out the pictures I think I'd have rather gone home by myself than suffered them as they look like no party I've attended(!) but it's the denials and belligerance with Johnson that makes it a mountain out of a molehill really, isn't it, while Braverman's on a roll atm, so anything that comes up just adds a little bit extra to the impression she can't care less about rules / protocaol / you name it.
 
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Wasn't the issue more that she was trying to get the course rather than the penalty points? I'd agree in the grand scheme of things it's minor, but it's more another dot on her rap sheet isn't it. Same as Johnson with parties 0 whenever they whip out the pictures I think I'd have rather gone home by myself than suffered them as they look like no party I've attended(!) but it's the denials and belligerance with Johnson that makes it a mountain out of a molehill really, isn't it, while Braverman's on a roll atm, so anything that comes up just adds a little bit extra to the impression she can't care less about rules / protocaol / you name it.
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Most famous people have individual courses though - so demands by Yvette Cooper for enquiries are ridiculous and if you are a well known person why would you take the points which is discriminatory
 
Grendel said:
Most famous people have individual courses though - so demands by Yvette Cooper for enquiries are ridiculous and if you are a well known person why would you take the points which is discriminatory
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If she weren’t such an abhorrent scumbag in a senior position nobody would care
 
Amazed as people were so concerned about Vauxhall they aren’t pleased for the uk getting the JLR contract in Somerset
 
Grendel said:
I can't believe people like Elton John, Prince William or Keir Starmer would go to some Community Hall for a course. It would make it a circus. When Gods spokesperson the UK The Very Reverend Justin Welby seemingly just "forgot" to pay his fines at all yet can lecture us from the House Of Lords - If she took the FPN is that actually not also it seems for some a resigning matter?
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Justin tried on multiple occasions to just pay it
 
Grendel said:
I can't believe people like Elton John, Prince William or Keir Starmer would go to some Community Hall for a course. It would make it a circus. When Gods spokesperson the UK The Very Reverend Justin Welby seemingly just "forgot" to pay his fines at all yet can lecture us from the House Of Lords - If she took the FPN is that actually not also it seems for some a resigning matter?
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Surely the issue was that she asked her civil servants to arrange it. She should not be asking them to arrange a personal matter for her.

I feel it's a fairly small matter to be honest especially when set against her hateful rhetoric.
 
skybluetony176 said:
This is just getting messier and messier.

www.bbc.co.uk

Covid inquiry demands release of Boris Johnson WhatsApps

The government is threatened with legal action if it does not hand over the former PM's unredacted messages.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

At this rate Starmer could be under pressure to dump Sue Grey for incompetence. But then again it might just prove that there was a cover up of the cover up.
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Anyway Tonester in more serious and relevant news - has your ticket got through yet?
 
The Boris cult are proper losing the plot. Threatening to trigger by elections if they don’t get their way. How very democratic of them, blackmail and tantrums.
 
skybluetony176 said:
This is a stupid move by Starmer too. Can’t point the finger at Sunak about standards while letting this slide

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Labour is rotten I'm afraid, these centrist arseholes apply a different set of rules to themselves than everybody else, that's why they think they're a government in waiting I suppose.
 
Grendel said:
Amazed as people were so concerned about Vauxhall they aren’t pleased for the uk getting the JLR contract in Somerset
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Some very un-Tory state aid to get it, too. The world of politics really is going weird.
 
Boris Johnson has severed ties with government lawyers supporting him during the Covid inquiry, with allies saying he had “lost faith” in the system after he was reported to police over fresh Partygate allegations.

The former prime minister said he was currently “unrepresented” and in the process of instructing new solicitors.

While Johnson is confident taxpayers will continue picking up the bill for his new legal team, he admitted in a letter to the Covid inquiry published on Monday that the Cabinet Office had yet to “agree funding and other practical arrangements”.

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A) why were we ever paying for his legal advice?
B) he's sacked his government paid for lawyers
C) now seeking new lawyers expecting the tax payers to pick up the bill again.

Mean while he's rarely in Westminster, instead traveling the world getting paid millions to make speeches whilst being paid to be an MP (but not actually doing the job)

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Deleted member 5849 said:
Wasn't the issue more that she was trying to get the course rather than the penalty points? I'd agree in the grand scheme of things it's minor, but it's more another dot on her rap sheet isn't it. Same as Johnson with parties 0 whenever they whip out the pictures I think I'd have rather gone home by myself than suffered them as they look like no party I've attended(!) but it's the denials and belligerance with Johnson that makes it a mountain out of a molehill really, isn't it, while Braverman's on a roll atm, so anything that comes up just adds a little bit extra to the impression she can't care less about rules / protocaol / you name it.
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It's a cumulative effect of things

1) leaky Sue sending email from her personal account, a severe breach the ministerial Gets sacked for just 6 days

2) trying to get out of a vote for her own bill because she wanted to go to a photo opportunity

3) trying to use her privileged position to get out of having points on her license

4) Speaking absolute shit at the NatCon conference would have been a sacking under most PMs

5) not declaring that she worked with the Rwandan government in her past including with a number of immigration officers that work for the Rwandan government now. A clear potential conflict of interest and breach of the ministerial code.

And that's just things that have come out in the last 6 months.

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skybluetony176 said:
He was one of 36 MP’s who nominated him for leadership in 2015.

He may have fell out with him later but that doesn’t make him a centrist. He’s on the left of the party.
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But it’s irrelevant, as you said he was a Corbynista which he clearly never has been.

Why hasn’t Starmer stopped him for being up as an MP at the next election is what I want to know. But who knows with Sir Flip-Flop
 
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Ian1779 said:
But it’s irrelevant, as you said he was a Corbynista which he clearly never has been.

Why hasn’t Starmer stopped him for being up as an MP at the next election is what I want to know. But who knows with Sir Flip-Flop
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It’s not irrelevant in context to the post I was replying to. “these centrist arseholes apply a different set of rules to themselves than everybody else”. Someone who nominated Corbyn for leader can hardly be described as a centrist.

I agree with the rest of your post though.
 
skybluetony176 said:
It’s not irrelevant in context to the post I was replying to. “these centrist arseholes apply a different set of rules to themselves than everybody else”. Someone who nominated Corbyn for leader can hardly be described as a centrist.

I agree with the rest of your post though.
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You honestly think Margaret Beckett wasn’t a centrist?
 
clint van damme said:
A bit of do as I say not as I do, same with Johnson .
She clearly did request a private course, hence her refusal to deny it.
Probably not a massive issue in the grand scheme of things, but they had to settle for getting Capone for tax avoidance!
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Tried so hard to let it go but I can't!

He was done for tax evasion. Tax avoidance is perfectly legal (if morally dubious)
 
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fernandopartridge said:
What's interesting about the civil servant discourse is that the same people who view the civil service as a pointless bureaucracy that does nothing also believe it has full control of everything.
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Used to call it Schroedingers Council when my Dad was a councillor. Useless, couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery but also responsible for everything from what colour people paint their houses to whether a student selects a particular Uni.
 
shmmeee said:
Used to call it Schroedingers Council when my Dad was a councillor. Useless, couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery but also responsible for everything from what colour people paint their houses to whether a student selects a particular Uni.
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Was talking with someone about how militancy isn’t normally something you ascribe to permanent secretaries
 
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