baldy
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He‘s allowed to have such opinions as well as still being regarded as a great player for us
Savage is terrible. I have no problem with Alex Scott.
Such a shame that a player who was great for us holds such opinions. Well done Clive on the way he dealt with these comments.
CliveWho was the male journalist?
How should he have worded it?He has a point, even watching the Chelsea match yesterday it was just women pretty much.
The irony is that he was being interviewed by an equally as bad male journalist.
Don't think he worded it very well.
Sky are clearly going over the top with inclusion.
Clive
I actually don't mind Clive, he's alot better than many local radio hosts when I listen on the way back from gamespretty good by local standards - actually very good by local standards - was on 5 live recently as well
pretty good by local standards - actually very good by local standards - was on 5 live recently as well
The one I don’t get is Martin Winch and going to him for his “thoughts” mid game
The one I don’t get is Martin Winch and going to him for his “thoughts” mid game
I do get it, but you know it's an opinion rather outdated, generational upbringing norms from the day.Savage is terrible. I have no problem with Alex Scott.
Such a shame that a player who was great for us holds such opinions. Well done Clive on the way he dealt with these comments.
Is he not entitled to his view though?Don't think anyone is changing their opinion of him as a player. That would be stupid. It's just disappointing that he holds such ridiculous views.
Of course. But wasn't my point.
Michael Owen. High pitched whine winds me up. Allowed.
Woman commentator. High pitched whine winds me up. Not allowed.
Is he not entitled to his view though?
Just because it's not pc doesnt mean he cant have a personal view.
They are, and tbf, Clive did say as much.But media outlets are totally entitled to say that's not what we want
I didn't say he's not entitled to his view. I just said it was ridiculous.Is he not entitled to his view though?
Just because it's not pc doesnt mean he cant have a personal view.
In your opinion.I didn't say he's not entitled to his view. I just said it was ridiculous.
They are, and tbf, Clive did say as much.
But we have to be careful of denying people the right to have their own opinion, even if it's not to the approval of the majority. And why bother asking someone a question if you only want a benign boring pc answer.
Yes. Not much point me giving someone else opinion on it.In your opinion.
That's the risk you take when you invite a non pro broadcaster onto a live show.So it's either a boring PC answer or it slates women in the game?
There is a middle ground.
As I've said, if there's a broadcaster that wants to go down that route I'm sure they'll give him a gig.
That's the risk you take when you invite a non pro broadcaster onto a live show.
I'd sooner hear an honest (if bizarre) opinion, than have someone read out a pre prepared pc answer off a list of acceptable answers.
How boring would that be?
Bit of an ageist comment dear boyI thought it was funny, most older people seem to say things like that anyway as they grew up with little to no cancel culture
You ever been on twatter?
Yes just like a satnav.It would be interesting if the tv gave an opt spin of male or female commentators what the split would be.
"Well Clive, I don't watch much football on TV these days. They've employed brown people, forrinners and now wimmin. Where will it end?"That's the risk you take when you invite a non pro broadcaster onto a live show.
I'd sooner hear an honest (if bizarre) opinion, than have someone read out a pre prepared pc answer off a list of acceptable answers.
How boring would that be?
I didn't mention Speedie. Neither did you.But his were general comments on women commentators not individuals.
And to be honest, if your trying to break into the media I wouldn't have thought singling out individual commentators or summarisers would be advisable no matter the gender of the commentator.
I didn't mention Speedie. Neither did you.
I said that I don't like high pitched shouting while watching a game of football. It is as bad or even worse than the canned noise of supporters at games when nobody was allowed to go.
My point was I am allowed to say Owens voice is too high pitched for me. But as soon as I say it about a woman others are ready to pounce and tell me how wrong I am. This is nothing to do with comments by Speedie or others similar.
I agree, and I often think it somewhat ironic that a player can (rightly) take the knee in a stance against racism while wearing a shirt sponsored by a gambling company.Whatever he meant by it... i agree that there's too much politics in football, and think that the ban on "political statements" by FIFA/UEFA was one of the few things they actually got right.
If players etc want to take the knee... fine. But then those same players are going to be off to the World Cup in Qatar next year... it opens them up for all manner of criticism if they're happy to "endorse" playing a World Cup that was clearly won by bribery and corruption, and played in a country with a (to say the least) questionable record on human rights.
That's my issue with politics in football... it just opens a massive can of worms.
Yet I have been pulled up by you for saying the same thing? Because I haven't said anything else.Plenty of people, including me, have criticised individual woman commentators on this and other threads and no one has pulled us up for it.
That's different to making sweeping comments on all women commentators.
Of course it may be your experience on other platforms or in actual conversations that that's happened but I haven't seen it happen on here.
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