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alexccfc99 said:
There is some real needle as well, when I was living up there Derby played at The Riverside in the height of Gibson pursuing them in the courts and there was some real bother before and after the game in the town centre
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There are still some Derby fans who blame Boro/Gibson for them going into administration and getting relegated. Obviously, their overspending and attempts to cover it up were nothing to do with it.
 
CovRes said:
There are still some Derby fans who blame Boro/Gibson for them going into administration and getting relegated. Obviously, their overspending and attempts to cover it up were nothing to do with it.
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Derby fucked about and found out, they loved Mel Morris when they were getting in the play-offs every season yet only started to call out their shady dealings when the money dried up and the net closed in, same with Chansiri at Sheff W to an extent

Glad they got their light at the end of the tunnel but there is an argument to suggest they both ended up lying in the beds they made
 
Sky Blue Goblin said:
Personally would argue Swindon this year in the cup.

But what do you think should be done to at least even the playing field after one side has broken EFL rules?
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Saying about Swindon, weren’t they denied promotion after winning the play offs in the early 90s for something?
 
AFCCOVENTRY said:
I suspect EFL are hoping Boro beat Saints over 2 legs, otherwise this is going to cause a huge problem for the league.
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The problem for the EFL is if they don't do enough they will be open to litigation from Middlesbrough and if they do litigation from Southampton. If the game goes ahead today there would be too much money at stake to cancel the return game. Supporters have paid for travel and maybe making a weekend of it.

But they shouldn't be able to get away with it. I would find it quite funny if Southampton won over the two legs then got removed before the final.
 
SkyBlueStallion_89 said:
Depending on how long it takes to prove (if they have done this to many clubs in the run of 19 games or whatever it is unbeaten) could that mean the teams they beat be rewarded with 3 points? Could that mean we get an extra 3 points? They beat us at the CBS and probably had Inspector Clouseau in the Ryton bushes
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No, I would say it would have been better to have someone like Columbo in the bushes. If it was Clouseau, he would have forgot to take the lens cap off the camera and there would be no evidence.
 
Otis said:
No, I would say it would have been better to have someone like Columbo in the bushes. If it was Clouseau, he would have forgot to take the lens cap off the camera and there would be no evidence.
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Then went home after and attacked by Cato because Clouseau needs to be kept on his toes at all times
 
Sky Blue Goblin said:
Interesting to see how the EFL deal with this.
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I'd award the game (not the tie) 3-0 to Middlesbrough; this can even be done retrospectively, as it's being played today. Game forfeit, essentially.

Then, if further wrong-doing comes to light, that can be dealt with further down the line, with demotion if appropriate.

Long bans for any in the Southampton management team implicated.

This has to be dealt with very seriously, as others have said, it challenges the integrity of the competition.
 
Shannerz said:
I'd award the game (not the tie) 3-0 to Middlesbrough; this can even be done retrospectively, as it's being played today. Game forfeit, essentially.

Then, if further wrong-doing comes to light, that can be dealt with further down the line, with demotion if appropriate.

Long bans for any in the Southampton management team implicated.

This has to be dealt with very seriously, as others have said, it challenges the integrity of the competition.
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Well if it’s an EFL rule there will be an already prescribed sanction.

They are never going to do what you suggest
 
Ccfcisparks said:
Fielding ineligible players is a much bigger offense
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Fielding an ineligible player, more often than not is an administration error - yet is usually always met with a points, walkover (3-0) or expulsion penalty.
In the case of Swindon this year, pretty sure theur incorrect team sheet had no bearing on the result, but they were still booted out.

Let's see the balls of the EFL .. .. (knowing full well they'll be ovaries though!)
 
shepardo01 said:
Fielding an ineligible player, more often than not is an administration error - yet is usually always met with a points or expulsion penalty.
In the case of Swindon this year, pretty sure theur incorrect team sheet had no bearing on the result, but they were still booted out.

Let's see the balls of the EFL .. .. (knowing full well they'll be ovaries though!)
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They aren’t going to kick southampton out. This is their big pay pig. i could see a points deduction next year maybe
 
Ccfcisparks said:
They aren’t going to kick southampton out. This is their big pay pig. i could see a points deduction next year maybe
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There's a potential issue that if Saints get promoted then the EFL wouldn't be able to give them a points deduction next year.

I personally think they'll wing it until the outcome of the playoffs is clearer.
 
Ccfcisparks said:
Fine them and move on
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A fine isn't remotely adequate. Even if it's a huge amount, do you still then allow the offender to benefit from promotion to the most lucrative league in the world?

It's impossible to quantify any advantage gained on the field of play from the spying activities. It could be minimal, or it could be decisive. It doesn't matter - the nature of the offence is that it's deliberately scheming to break the rules with complete disregard for your sporting opponents. You shouldn't be able to buy your way out of it - there has to be a sporting punishment.
 
Ipad Boro said:
There's a potential issue that if Saints get promoted then the EFL wouldn't be able to give them a points deduction next year.

I personally think they'll wing it until the outcome of the playoffs is clearer.
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yes but anyone suggesting the game is void is gonna be disappointed

it really wouldn’t surprise me to see just a fine
 
Calista said:
A fine isn't remotely adequate. Even if it's a huge amount, do you still then allow the offender to benefit from promotion to the most lucrative league in the world?

It's impossible to quantify any advantage gained on the field of play from the spying activities. It could be minimal, or it could be decisive. It doesn't matter - the nature of the offence is that it's deliberately scheming to break the rules with complete disregard for your sporting opponents. You shouldn't be able to buy your way out of it - there has to be a sporting punishment.
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ok so you think the match will be void?
 
Ccfcisparks said:
yes but anyone suggesting the game is void is gonna be disappointed

it really wouldn’t surprise me to see just a fine
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Agreed. Its impossible to prove how much of an advantage it actually was to be able to start working out permutations. Fine and a ticking off most likely
 
When an athlete takes performance enhancing drugs they gain an advantage over their competitors, ones who are caught are punished because they cheated, Southampton tried to gain an advantage same principle so they need to be punished because they are cheats
 
Calista said:
Well it's already compromised. The EFL will have a wide range of possible sanctions and I hope they don't chicken out. Isn't there an indeoendent panel involved?
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do you think the result will be void?
 
Yeah first test of the rule created after Leeds .. if it’s a fine then it’s just maths for clubs… cheat, get fined, get promoted, £200m in our pocket… so is no real deterrent, is actually an invitation for more clubs to try .. ultimately it’s the managers responsibility and the ban should start there, unless he assumed analytics department employed mystic Meg!
 
Lamps said:
We will see. It's a new rule that hasn't been tested. To me it should have the same consequences at least. Kicked out of the playoffs and also a big fine.

It's downright cheating with no defence.
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I agree. Some posters are saying they wouldn't have gained much advantage, but that's irrelevant. It's cheating and breaking very specific rules of the game. If proven, a fine alone would be ridiculous.
 
sc1940 said:
I agree. Some posters are saying they wouldn't have gained much advantage, but that's irrelevant. It's cheating and breaking very specific rules of the game. If proven, a fine alone would be ridiculous.
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The rule is you can spy all you want up to 72 hours before a match. Its not really a hardline stance on it. Therefore i dont think the punishment will be either.
 
SafeAsMilk said:
Yeah first test of the rule created after Leeds .. if it’s a fine then it’s just maths for clubs… cheat, get fined, get promoted, £200m in our pocket… so is no real deterrent, is actually an invitation for more clubs to try .. ultimately it’s the managers responsibility and the ban should start there, unless he assumed analytics department employed mystic Meg!
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Got to wonder how much they exploited the "performance analyst" lad who they got to do the dirty work. I know that some clubs get away with paying peanuts to these types of employees, and I hope the buck stops with the real decision maker(s).
 
The EFL, Premier League, FA should have minimum and maximum sanctions written into their rules. Do this once X fine, twice 3 points deduction, multiple times relegation from the league. Everyone would then know where they stand. They do it with red cards so why not do it with all rules?
 
Ccfcisparks said:
They aren’t going to kick southampton out. This is their big pay pig. i could see a points deduction next year maybe
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The problem with a points deduction next season is if they get promoted they won't be under the jurisdiction of the EFL. Their get out clause would be to give them less than 8 points this season. It would still be the same ties for the playoffs.
 
In this litigious day and age I fear that clubs think they can outspend the league in the courts and manage to (at the very least) water down the consequences.

Personally think the constitution needs to be rewritten so that clubs indemnify the legal costs of the EFL/EPL if a case is brought against them.
 
Lamps said:
The problem with a points deduction next season is if they get promoted they won't be under the jurisdiction of the EFL. Their get out clause would be to give them less than 8 points this season. It would still be the same ties for the playoffs.
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anything more than 6 points this season would be ridiculous anyway
 
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