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Winner has to be Torp. Doesn't it?

Of course Doug wants a leaner squad. He wants the money spent on top players, not swathes of also rans who never play. But it's probably too thin now when injuries kick in. They know this, which is why they would have bought Hughes and Rak Sakyi

I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying that I don't know and there is no evidence to support one position or another. I don't think that setting a 5 year plan is evidence that he intends to sell quick once he'd turned the club around.

A five year plan is pretty standard in business and politics.

Maybe. But what has he said or done to imply that he is in it for a quick turnaround and profit? He has never taken the short-term route. And if that really is his intention, then investing in a football team is not the most reliable way to make money. But assuming that is his goal, surely...

I always assume that people are competent until proven otherwise. Clearly we wanted more but didn't get them. I'm going to assume that's because we refuse to panic buy. And shipping out non-critical players just increases the size of the pot for when we strike again for a player we really...

Not much upside on Doyle either, as Man City have a buy back option. I'm glad we don't do our business like them.

It's impossible to have a reasonable nuanced conversation on here. Every opinion expressed is: 1 (deliberately?) twisted : so 'I don't think Wright is value for money and I would cash in and reinvest' becomes i think he's shit 2 nit picked to death 3 used for point scoring 4 immediately...

Oh bugger, I knew that wasn't right but couldn't think of the right words. Putting my error aside, you haven't disagreed with the point. Do we have common ground at least on the principle?

OK, so we disagree on potential. It's an unknown. Let's let it lie. Kids, better debating strategies exist than this.

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Nuance is important <serious but kind face emoji> Nobody is suggesting we can buy a player ready for the Premier league. We are buying young players. Good young players who can improve. We are paying millions for each one now to play in the Championship (widely accepted as one of the top 10...

Yes, but being aware of the challenge coming in probably hurried him to get the ball away.

I got the impression that we are building a side which would not need major surgery to have a chance of staying up if promoted. It's not a daft point to speculate that Wright wouldn't be up to it.

That's the spent cost fallacy. I hope Robins is better than that: ie fields the best player irrespective of what they cost. It's fine to make a mistake, I admire the strength of character to recognise a mistake and put it right. Let's agree that we both hope he proves me wrong. But I've...

Because I don't think he's good enough. Nobody's suggested selling him at a loss, other than you projecting that onto me so you can call me 'delusional' (quite rude but I forgive you). I'd take getting our money back, though we might make a small profit.

I said that I assume the new guy is the real deal, I don't know that. But yes, as I've already explained in another thread, I'd sell Wright and get a better striker to replace both him and Simms.

Yep, last week I had the same opinion. But we are now well over half way through the season and I flipped yesterday. Wright > Simms > Godden but have given up now with all three.

The z thing? I think it's autocorrect, annoys the hell out of me.

We nearly have a very good first 11 which might trouble the automatics if we patched the weak links and start the season well. I'm thinking big here, not 'that will do' but promotion quality everywhere. Assuming the posh chap is the solution to left wing, I think we are missing a keeper, left...