We NEED to appeal that.

[Happy_Martian]

And to smash this into a pulp.

Ref on the pitch did not give offside. Linesman did not flag, even though a couple of United players were raising their arms in appeal.


Should never have been a decision for VAR involvement.

 

[shmmeee]

It was offside. Those lines are enlarged for TV. It was marginal and just bad luck.

Walk me through this. It makes no sense to me.

Forget the thickness of the lines. Just look at the edge. If the defenders line edge starts where Hajis does it’s blatantly onside.

 

[robbiethemole]

Let’s just call it what it was, plain old cheating.

 

[rylee]

Don’t watch it from the reserve angle…..

This is making me even more livid needs to be a complaint made and at least a statement from PGMOL even if it doesn’t go in our favour.

 

[Macca]

Wan Bissaka boots

 

[rylee]

Walk me through this. It makes no sense to me.

Forget the thickness of the lines. Just look at the edge. If the defenders line edge starts where Hajis does it’s blatantly onside.

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Exactly my point all along. Needs to be addressed asap.

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

And to smash this into a pulp.

Ref on the pitch did not give offside. Linesman did not flag, even though a couple of United players were raising their arms in appeal.


Should never have been a decision for VAR involvement.

4th official never mentioned anything either

 

[shmmeee]

Yeah. An appeal is pointless I feel. We can complain though. I think the authorities do need to be aware of any grievance.

Zero chance of a replay of the game though

There’s a very clear financial figure we have lost out on though. Unlike league games. We would have been in a final, we would have had £x prize money, even before you get into gate receipts and the like.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

And to smash this into a pulp.

Ref on the pitch did not give offside. Linesman did not flag, even though a couple of United players were raising their arms in appeal.


Should never have been a decision for VAR involvement.

All goals are checked though

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Now I’ve checked the laws
I think there is merit on clarifying what constitutes playing the ball
The law isn’t clear enough for me and if the check is done milliseconds later he’s onside as defender gets back as haji waits for the ball
What a move too

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

Ha come on I don't think we would have struggled to sell our tickets.

It was offside. Those lines are enlarged for TV. It was marginal and just bad luck.

Haji has bigger feet, his heel is level, when did O'Hare release the ball, its not clear and obvious and should of been given, if he was a yard off I could understand, the margin is too miniscule, the ref should of gone to the screen at least and made the call

 

[pusbccfc]

We'll get another apology, just like we did after the Preston game, the West Brom game and the Southampton game. We've been so so unlucky this season

 

[rylee]

Exactly this. While I agree a replay or the like is of a VERY slim chance, it is possible. Until we hear a decision, we need to fight for it. Might even start a .gov petition

 

[rylee]

There’s a very clear financial figure we have lost out on though. Unlike league games. We would have been in a final, we would have had £x prize money, even before you get into gate receipts and the like.

 

[SeaSeeEffCee]

Liverpool had a goal ruled out for something that was way more blatant wrong than ours and were told to stuff it. I don’t think appealing will really do anything.

 

[Robinshio]

4th official never mentioned anything either

incorrect, in one of Robins interviews he mentioned that the 4th official told him it was ok

 

[Merseyskyblue]

This photo shows it better. But by no means do I think that an offside goal that is this marginal should be ruled out. The bigger problem with calls this close is accurately determining the frame in which the ball is actually released.

 

[Robinshio]

Now I’ve checked the laws
I think there is merit on clarifying what constitutes playing the ball
The law isn’t clear enough for me and if the check is done milliseconds later he’s onside as defender gets back as haji waits for the ball
What a move too

the decision should be at the last point the ball is in contact with the passing player - ie he was onside at that point - he has not passed it until it leaves his boot

 

[robbiethemole]

At least pressure the cunts for a full explanation of the decision, how can it be decided with a dodgy line across a boot?

 

[Robinshio]

This photo shows it better. But by no means do I think that an offside goal that is this marginal should be ruled out. The bigger problem with calls this close is accurately determining the frame in which the ball is actually released.View attachment 35266

clearly O hare not close to playing it off at that point

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

incorrect, in one of Robins interviews he mentioned that the 4th official told him it was ok

Well yes that's what I meant, he never mentioned there being an offside call

 

[shmmeee]

This photo shows it better. But by no means do I think that an offside goal that is this marginal should be ruled out. The bigger problem with calls this close is accurately determining the frame in which the ball is actually released.View attachment 35266

Those lines aren’t the VAR lines tho. Just some random with paint.

 

[robbiethemole]

clearly O hare not close to playing it off at that point

Needs to show the next frame

 

[Happy_Martian]

This photo shows it better. But by no means do I think that an offside goal that is this marginal should be ruled out. The bigger problem with calls this close is accurately determining the frame in which the ball is actually released.View attachment 35266

How long did it take you to do this in minutes ? Can you see VAR being allowed to take ages (like the goal against Wolves) to define whether a toenail is 1mm or 5mm too long ?

Was the attacker gaining an advantage ? He was on his back foot when the ball was played so probably no.

 

[David O'Day]

No expert but surely the blue line has to be drawn across the defenders boot, with the tip mm short of the red . then the attackers boot, if in an offside position, would appear on the red section. ?????

the redline goes over awb's toe as well

 

[Happy_Martian]

Doesn't matter anyway.

Our club won't appeal it. FA wouldn't even look at it again.

We'll accept it and move on, like we always have done.


Onward and upward.

"Don't let them drag you down, don't let them drag you down now"

 

[Merseyskyblue]

How long did it take you to do this in minutes ? Can you see VAR being allowed to take ages (like the goal against Wolves) to define whether a toenail is 1mm or 5mm too long ?

Was the attacker gaining an advantage ? He was on his back foot when the ball was played so probably no.

He definitely doesn’t gain any advantage, which is why i don’t think it should’ve been ruled out, regardless of whether the decision was ‘correct’

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I don’t want a replay, I want the prize money. In light of that, I just want the audio from the VAR room

 

[David O'Day]

This photo shows it better. But by no means do I think that an offside goal that is this marginal should be ruled out. The bigger problem with calls this close is accurately determining the frame in which the ball is actually released.View attachment 35266

the ball has not left his foot

it has to leave his foot to be a pass

 

[Alkhen]

Walk me through this. It makes no sense to me.

Forget the thickness of the lines. Just look at the edge. If the defenders line edge starts where Hajis does it’s blatantly onside.

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Haji has bigger feet, his heel is level, when did O'Hare release the ball, its not clear and obvious and should of been given, if he was a yard off I could understand, the margin is too miniscule, the ref should of gone to the screen at least and made the call

The more I have stewed on it the crappier it gets. I was feeling a lot more sanguine last night. I just felt unlucky but the more I've looked at images and press reports I think the whole system is broken. I can't see how it can be clean cut in such tight situations. Frame rates, point of release of the ball, momentum and yes even just body size are all factors that should be considered.

This was the image I saw that prompted that original post but I'm not actually sure of the source. so could be bollocks:

 

[suffolkblue]

Nah. The world thinks we've won.

Nothing to gain from proving it

You’re right, they do. I’m an Ipswich supporter who registered today just to make this point. Sorry for gatecrashing your site. You were superb yesterday and didn’t deserve that.

I love the Championship, best league in the world and yesterday Cov showed everyone that.

 

[Merseyskyblue]

the ball has not left his foot

it has to leave his foot to be a pass

Apparently the offside is judged from when the pass is deemed to have been played, not when the ball has left the foot

 

[wingy]

Just bin it off and stop defending something that is pure evil!

 

[Samo]

So many issues, stupid offside rule, placement of the lines, what frame they used and if it was the moment the ball was released to Haji, why is VAR checking it and over turning on pitch decision if there isn’t a clear and obvious error? There will always be arguments and disagreements but so many are self inflicted by daft rules and poor application of them.

Because those in power would prefer a lucrative all Manchester final?

 

[hamertime]

Exactly that

Do we really want the final game of our season to be a hammering by Man City?

That’s gutless