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Turnbull Recalled with a Permanant Move in the coming days. (1 Viewer)

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smileycov

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  • Jan 10, 2018
  • #106
Liquid Gold said:
If Celtic and Rangers were allowed into the English pyramid they'd level out as mid table premiership sides after a decade or so. Hearts, Hibs and Aberdeen Championship. The rest would be league one and two.
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Celtic would be massive in the prem in less than 10 years, IMO. They have the support and worldwide appeal that would attract big money, they also have a name up there enough to attract quality players. So much money sloshing around the PL, they would be a big draw
 

steve82

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  • Jan 10, 2018
  • #107
Otis said:
I do believe there was another manager involved too, but for the life of me I can't remember his name.
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I'm struggling to recall him??

Tony Venus?
Mark Mowbray?
 

Skybluefaz

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  • Jan 10, 2018
  • #108
smileycov said:
Celtic would be massive in the prem in less than 10 years, IMO. They have the support and worldwide appeal that would attract big money, they also have a name up there enough to attract quality players. So much money sloshing around the PL, they would be a big draw
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Londonccfcfan

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  • Jan 10, 2018
  • #109
pastythegreat said:
Who cares how many more fans Aberdeen have than FGR? The standard of football at partick thistle isn't any better than ours! No amount of fans can change that! 1

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Lets face it face it the standard of football at this level is atrocious. Buts its our level.
 
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Londonccfcfan

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  • Jan 10, 2018
  • #110
steve82 said:
Jorge Grant?

That would allow us to close the gap.
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That's the other one.
 
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smileycov

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  • Jan 10, 2018
  • #111
Skybluefaz said:
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So you don’t think they have the support? Or worldwide appeal? I wouldn’t operate heavy machinery for a while fella!!
 

steve82

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  • Jan 10, 2018
  • #112
Londonccfcfan said:
That's the other one.
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Johnathan Forte is there own registered player, Jorge Grant is the key man on loan from forest.
 
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Londonccfcfan

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  • Jan 10, 2018
  • #113
steve82 said:
Johnathan Forte is there own registered player, Jorge Grant is the key man on loan from forest.
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Sorry that's what I meant ! who I meant Jorge Grant ! the other loanee from Forest.
 

Hobo

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  • Jan 10, 2018
  • #114
steve82 said:
I couldn't agree more, transfer windows are varied in what teams can do and what's available.

However that cash strapped budget cut summer we made 7 permanent signings, Reid, Sordell, Bigirimana and Kwame Thomas. Concluded the deal for a very raw JJ, and paid a fee for Turnbull to add to the already adapting Ghadzev.

5 frees and 2 we paid fees for. JJ you can understand the investment but at a time we let Arron Martin go for free, and paid a fee for a like for like soft replacement and then vincelot when we could of got a few free's in on permanent deals.

TM had a lack of understanding and knowledge of the market and level he was working at and the loans didn't work for him a 2nd season.

The summer is when any committed manager does his business. If he wasn't happy he should of said I'm off early doors that summer.

January windows are to tight to make substantial changes
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I love fans bringing up Aaron Martin. Before Mowbray 99 per cent of city fans had him first out the door on the summer transfer list. Mowbray got him back to basics for a hand full of games and playing okay. Mowbray thought he could do better, it is complex but did not workout. However I have no time for hindsight fans who claim we should have stuck with Martin when they were clamouring for him to be sold.

Plus since he left 4 games for Oxford? Was Mowbray that wrong?
 

Johhny Blue

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  • Jan 10, 2018
  • #115
Nick said:
TRANSFER: Jordan Turnbull recalled from loan

Hopefully it means we have found a buyer.



He has an extra year I think on his contract, so good to get him gone!

Even if Willis or McDonald were being sold, I think we still have enough cover with Hyam and Davies.
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Dale Evans is buying him
 

pastythegreat

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  • Jan 10, 2018
  • #116
smileycov said:
Celtic would be massive in the prem in less than 10 years, IMO. They have the support and worldwide appeal that would attract big money, they also have a name up there enough to attract quality players. So much money sloshing around the PL, they would be a big draw
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I disagree. Newcastle and Leeds have massive fanbases but doesn't make them a massive prem team.
They attract a lot of players and gain a lot of cash from their Champions League cameos, which they'd fail to qualify for in their 1st season in the Prem, after a season or 2 anybody good enough to play in the UCL in their team will be picked of by the top 6. Within 10 years they'd be top half championship!

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stevefloyd

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  • Jan 10, 2018
  • #117
Otis said:
I do believe there was another manager involved too, but for the life of me I can't remember his name.
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Grendel

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  • Jan 10, 2018
  • #118
Hobo said:
I love fans bringing up Aaron Martin. Before Mowbray 99 per cent of city fans had him first out the door on the summer transfer list. Mowbray got him back to basics for a hand full of games and playing okay. Mowbray thought he could do better, it is complex but did not workout. However I have no time for hindsight fans who claim we should have stuck with Martin when they were clamouring for him to be sold.

Plus since he left 4 games for Oxford? Was Mowbray that wrong?
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Well you are wrong as he has played 25 times for Oxford.
 

Hobo

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  • Jan 10, 2018
  • #119
stevefloyd said:
Yeah just look at Reece Brown..............


Ohh wait a minute
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Yes but you could equally look at Kevin Keegan
 

stevefloyd

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 10, 2018
  • #120
steve82 said:
I'm struggling to recall him??

Tony Venus?
Mark Mowbray?
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smileycov

Facebook User
  • Jan 10, 2018
  • #121
pastythegreat said:
I disagree. Newcastle and Leeds have massive fanbases but doesn't make them a massive prem team.
They attract a lot of players and gain a lot of cash from their Champions League cameos, which they'd fail to qualify for in their 1st season in the Prem, after a season or 2 anybody good enough to play in the UCL in their team will be picked of by the top 6. Within 10 years they'd be too half championship!

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Fair point, I do think they would though, just my opinion of course. I put there worldwide appeal, Above those 2 for example. Mute point though it would never happen
 

Hobo

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  • Jan 10, 2018
  • #122
Grendel said:
Well you are wrong as he has played 25 times for Oxford.
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Not going to dispute it but can't find that stat.

But doesn't change main thrust of my original post. You once ridiculed him as not being the next Gary Gillespie.
 

no_loyalty

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  • Jan 10, 2018
  • #123
Alkhen said:
50p its Mogga getting the band back together

( i know him and Armstrong weren't in the same team)
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I would go one better and gamble all of Dale Evans money that Turnbull will sign for Blackburn
 

bawtryneal

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  • Jan 10, 2018
  • #124
Hobo said:
Not going to dispute it but can't find that stat.

But doesn't change main thrust of my original post. You once ridiculed him as not being the next Gary Gillespie.
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Aaron Martin (footballer) - Wikipedia

According to Wikipedia he has made 4 appearances.
 

steve82

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 10, 2018
  • #125
Hobo said:
I love fans bringing up Aaron Martin. Before Mowbray 99 per cent of city fans had him first out the door on the summer transfer list. Mowbray got him back to basics for a hand full of games and playing okay. Mowbray thought he could do better, it is complex but did not workout. However I have no time for hindsight fans who claim we should have stuck with Martin when they were clamouring for him to be sold.

Plus since he left 4 games for Oxford? Was Mowbray that wrong?
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Hindsight don't need to come into this. Granted he's not featured much at Oxford as last season he had a injury early on I believe which set him back and out of favour however in his time here was relatively injury free and started 29 times in the league in 15/16 season.

I don't believe many claimed he was brilliant or worth keeping but my point is we released and then signed a player for a fee with similar characteristics and personality on the pitch.

Where's the logic in signing a clone? How much research did we actually do on Turnbull?

My point being when the budget is tight, why spend on him.

It be like releasing Lee mills or Dean Holdsworth and then buying Darius Henderson.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 10, 2018
  • #126
Hobo said:
Not going to dispute it but can't find that stat.

But doesn't change main thrust of my original post. You once ridiculed him as not being the next Gary Gillespie.
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The second paragraph confuses me.

The first is easy to find and a lesson not to take Wikipedia seriously.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 10, 2018
  • #127
bawtryneal said:
Aaron Martin (footballer) - Wikipedia

According to Wikipedia he has made 4 appearances.
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Oh dear.
 
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RoboCCFC90

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 10, 2018
  • #128
steve82 said:
Jorge Grant?

That would allow us to close the gap.
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Norwich and many clubs in League One are interested in signing Jorge Grant..
 
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steve82

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  • Jan 10, 2018
  • #129
bawtryneal said:
Aaron Martin (footballer) - Wikipedia

According to Wikipedia he has made 4 appearances.
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He played 11 times in 16/17 and 13 times in 17/18 season. So since his move 24 appearances in all competitions.

He had a few niggly injuries before he snapped his Achilles' tendon in 2016.
 
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RoboCCFC90

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 10, 2018
  • #130
smileycov said:
Celtic would be massive in the prem in less than 10 years, IMO. They have the support and worldwide appeal that would attract big money, they also have a name up there enough to attract quality players. So much money sloshing around the PL, they would be a big draw
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I follow Rangers and I must admit this argument has been going on for years and will always have varying answers.

I do believe that if you were to stick Rangers and Celtic, possibly Aberdeen as well into the Championship they’d all finish top 12, all three would finish bottom half of the Premier League with their current squads.

If either Rangers or Celtic could sustain Premier League Football for between 5-10 years they would become top half sides, potentially pushing for Europe.

The standard of Football played by some sides in the SPL is poor at times, but some of it can be ok.

None of he current squads in the SPL would survive in the Premier League in England.
 
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Hobo

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  • Jan 10, 2018
  • #131
steve82 said:
Hindsight don't need to come into this. Granted he's not featured much at Oxford as last season he had a injury early on I believe which set him back and out of favour however in his time here was relatively injury free and started 29 times in the league in 15/16 season.

I don't believe many claimed he was brilliant or worth keeping but my point is we released and then signed a player for a fee with similar characteristics and personality on the pitch.

Where's the logic in signing a clone? How much research did we actually do on Turnbull?

My point being when the budget is tight, why spend on him.

It be like releasing Lee mills or Dean Holdsworth and then buying Darius Henderson.
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Well our scouting ability has long been suspect. At least our youth/academy policy seems more back on track.

My point is sometimes you have to let go before you can bring in. The bringing in is still a gamble. Fans don't see it though do they? Phoning up each week saying we need a goal scorer, but without being able to name a goalscorer, who is current playing and not retired.
 
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steve82

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  • Jan 10, 2018
  • #132
Hobo said:
Well our scouting ability has long been suspect. At least our youth/academy policy seems more back on track.

My point is sometimes you have to let go before you can bring in. The bringing in is still a gamble. Fans don't see it though do they? Phoning up each week saying we need a goal scorer, but without being able to name a goalscorer, who is current playing and not retired.
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Yes point well made, we hear that often.

I do agree that sometimes decisions need making in early may for what you hope to do in June/July ideally. It's all a gamble, had we of kept him him still most likely would of had injuries and not featured... etc.

My gripe was we signed a clone late in the window for a needless fee
 

Otis

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  • Jan 10, 2018
  • #133
stevefloyd said:
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smileycov

Facebook User
  • Jan 10, 2018
  • #134
RoboCCFC90 said:
I follow Rangers and I must admit this argument has been going on for years and will always have varying answers.

I do believe that if you were to stick Rangers and Celtic, possibly Aberdeen as well into the Championship they’d all finish top 12, all three would finish bottom half of the Premier League with their current squads.

If either Rangers or Celtic could sustain Premier League Football for between 5-10 years they would become top half sides, potentially pushing for Europe.

The standard of Football played by some sides in the SPL is poor at times, but some of it can be ok.

None of he current squads in the SPL would survive in the Premier League in England.
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This is what I was trying to say, but not so eloquently lol. Celtic (and Rangers tbf) now would struggle indeed, but the shear size of support and worldwide appeal means tapping into the vast fortunes on offer in the PL would ensure sustainability in a few years.
 

covcity4life

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  • Jan 10, 2018
  • #135
Grendel said:
Robins would have kept us up - Mowbray definitely would not.
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Thata defintley your opinion

Not mine.
 

covcity4life

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 10, 2018
  • #136
steve82 said:
I couldn't agree more, transfer windows are varied in what teams can do and what's available.

However that cash strapped budget cut summer we made 7 permanent signings, Reid, Sordell, Bigirimana and Kwame Thomas. Concluded the deal for a very raw JJ, and paid a fee for Turnbull to add to the already adapting Ghadzev.

5 frees and 2 we paid fees for. JJ you can understand the investment but at a time we let Arron Martin go for free, and paid a fee for a like for like soft replacement and then vincelot when we could of got a few free's in on permanent deals.

TM had a lack of understanding and knowledge of the market and level he was working at and the loans didn't work for him a 2nd season.

The summer is when any committed manager does his business. If he wasn't happy he should of said I'm off early doors that summer.

January windows are to tight to make substantial changes
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He did well the 1st summer with loans
Not well 2nd summer
Did well with black burn this summer

1 off? 66% good summer recoed in last 3 years?
Maybe it was budget. Maybe it was scouting network. Doesnt seem to be a huge issue with him tho.
 

covcity4life

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  • Jan 10, 2018
  • #137
stevefloyd said:
Lets not go down that road, actually Robins was manager when we went down but don't let that get in the way of a good story
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Dont be so pedantic. Robins took over from a unrecoverable position. Slade most certainly did not.
 

stevefloyd

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 10, 2018
  • #138
Hobo said:
Well our scouting ability has long been suspect. At least our youth/academy policy seems more back on track.

My point is sometimes you have to let go before you can bring in. The bringing in is still a gamble. Fans don't see it though do they? Phoning up each week saying we need a goal scorer, but without being able to name a goalscorer, who is current playing and not retired.
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Is the youth/academy back on track or has it always been decent? Younger players are getting more of a chance these days because of our lowly position, Ponticelli wouldn't really get a sniff if we was a couple of leagues higher and the same with Bayliss and Shipley because we would be paying higher wages to players and it would take a brave manager to drop some of our supposed high earning 'stars'
 
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stevefloyd

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  • Jan 10, 2018
  • #139
covcity4life said:
Dont be so pedantic. Robins took over from a unrecoverable position. Slade most certainly did not.
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I am not in any way shape or form blaming Robins for relegation I think our previous incumbents are solely to blame!!
 

covcity4life

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  • Jan 10, 2018
  • #140
stevefloyd said:
I am not in any way shape or form blaming Robins for relegation I think our previous incumbents are solely to blame!!
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Yup and it has to go in order of slade venus and then mowbray. The squad was not as bad as the table suggested umo
 
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