The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

Discussion in 'Off Topic Chat' started by jimmyhillsfanclub, Jun 8, 2016.

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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
  1. Remain

    23 vote(s)
    37.1%
  2. Leave

    35 vote(s)
    56.5%
  3. Undecided

    3 vote(s)
    4.8%
  4. Not registered or not intention to vote

    1 vote(s)
    1.6%
  1. Brighton Sky Blue

    Brighton Sky Blue Well-Known Member

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    Incredibly you are describing most Tory and Leave voters as shown by empirical polling and voting evidence. Convinced by posh accents and long words
     
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    As far as I’m aware no other party has had a member in the audience, picked for a question each time, then had their question shared each time on social media.

    Presumably every party has had representatives in the audience at some point.


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    No I don’t think so - If Nigel Farage in an interview said he’d now work to reform the EU from within I assume Tony would believe that
     
  4. Brighton Sky Blue

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    Nope I voted to keep them in in 2014
     
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    You seemed to have lost your appetite to demand people show their sources?


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    You said several councillors - do you now retract the allegation?
     
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    No it’s the fact you made an allegation you can’t substantiate
     
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    Yes it seems it was two several times.


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    Deflection from the core point.


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  10. Brighton Sky Blue

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    Explain then why people want progressive policies but vote to damage their own public services
     
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    No it’s not you made an allegation that’s not anything like factually accurate is it? How can I deflect when in challenging you to prove a statement you made?
     
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    Have a read through that.
     

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    Spiked, a Koch brothers propaganda site quoting The IEA, a right wing think tank who regularly get one of their paid shills on the panel.

    Do better.

    To be fair it’s possible the numbers are correct. I’ll have a look elsewhere.


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    How can you say it’s not anything like factually accurate when a UKIP councillor has been featured several times? The fact it is several people or one person several times doesn’t take anything from my point.


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    I assume as this is unbiased this is not the Daniel Harari whose slavishly pro Eu and works in Paris?
     
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    There will no doubt now be another sustained campaign by all the mainstream media, Remain politicians past and present, leading establishment figures in and around London, the legal profession, Foreign born people living in the UK or people with foreign born spouses, the governor of the Bank of England, Vince Cable car, Martcov and a myriad of other deniers ............still pretending that, people don't know what they have voted for { twice }, they're all xenophobic, racist, Tommy Robinson loving lunatics and that why should they complain or rebel against a corrupt and impotent political system that is totally London centric , allows systematic destruction of our green belts and landscape for useless vanity projects like HS2 and constant house building for incoming persons and others in a burgeoning population, ensures that most of the wealth of the country is either generated in the South East or is funnelled back to London anyway and disenfranchises those regions where most of the UK's historical wealth was forged over centuries.
     
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    Ah of course it’s spiked
     
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    Well if you take the swing away from UKIP (-24.2%) as totally going to Brexit (who are essentially New UKIP) then that leaves 7.4% of Brexit's vote unaccounted for.

    Tories (probably the next most ardent leave party) had a swing of -14.8%. So that means only half of the lost Tory vote went to Brexit.

    Labour (who I'm going to consider as slightly in favour of remain but policy wise are getting splinters in their arse) had a swing of -11.3%.

    Lib Dem swing was +13.4% and Green swing was +4.2%, totalling +17.6%.Then there is also the 3.4% Change UK picked up taking it to 21% and I'll leave the SNP's 1.1% increase out even though Scotland largely voted to remain.

    So from that it appears there was much more of a swing from the established parties towards remain parties than Brexit parties.
     
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    Grendel, this is a wonderful demonstration of how Brexit is funded by shady arch capitalists who don’t want the best for the British people and will only make the issues we face worse.

    Thank you.


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    As opposed to the dribbling liberal elite who want to retain their greedy snouts in the Brussels trough?

    Aren’t you doing a bit of a straw man here?
     
  22. SIR ERNIE

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    Can’t whine about a sign on a bus anymore so instead the new one is whinge about the QT audience.
     
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    djr8369 Well-Known Member

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    Firstly you stereotype loads of people then you mention a load of issues that have nothing to do with the EU.


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    No it’s not a straw man I’m responding to the link you shared.


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    Let’s have a look at some of the advocates of the Eu - lets go one by one

    I’ll start

    The blood stained Blair creature

    Whose next?
     
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    Lol. Adding the individual % swings to get a total % swing.
     
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    You immediately create a diversionary statement by naming the person who did it and discredited him

    I’m still waiting for the several UKIP councillors infiltrating question time, can we have the names?
     
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    In seat numbers, UKIP lost 24 seats which we'll take as all going to Brexit. So that's 5 'new' Brexit seats to get to their total of 29.

    Remain parties had increases of 19 seats (Lib Dem +15, Green +4) or 20 if you add in SNP.

    The established parties (who campaigned at the GE for leaving the EU in some form or other) lost 25 seats in total (Con 15, Lab 10)

    So again that suggests that the make-up has shifted far more towards remain than Brexit.
     
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    Who have I named and discredited?

    I shared the links with you and admitted it was two people several times rather than several people. What more do you want?


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    Why is living in France a problem? If it was, how would you feel about the Brexit Party MEP who lives in France?
     
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    You didn’t admit at all - you’ve scampered round the edges
     
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    You said this is an impartial assessment - what does he do for a living?
     
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    I admitted it was two several times. You’re floundering because my core point stands and I’ve shown you the evidence.


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    There is no core point. You claim bias when actually it’s one bloke whose asked an audience question 3 times in the programmes history.

    The panel should be marginally in favour of leaving the EU over a period of time - it isn’t

    The notion this programme has since 2016 tried to adopt a UKIP agenda is hilarious

    Why did you make a false claim you had to dribble and backtrack on out of interest?
     
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    How would living in France affect his impartiality?

    Equally, how would living in France Male said Brexit Party MEP less capable in his role?

    It’s irrelevant.
     

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