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Evo1883

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  • Nov 21, 2020
  • #106
SlowerThanPlatt said:
From what I can see they spent a similar amount to us - Agard was £750,000 the same as Godden
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They comfortably had the biggest wage bill in league 1... Thats money spent.

They got promoted from league 1... Not league 2 and league 1 like Robins... What's your argument?
 

Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Nov 21, 2020
  • #107
Grendel said:
I can’t see them going down
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If they don’t they won’t be far off they looked very poor last night
 

cc84cov

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  • Nov 21, 2020
  • #108
Grendel said:
we’d cease to exist as a realistic competitive club if we are relegated
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This
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 21, 2020
  • #109
Evo1883 said:
They comfortably had the biggest wage bill in league 1... Thats money spent.

They got promoted from league 1... Not league 2 and league 1 like Robins... What's your argument?
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tbf, Steve Cotterill is an entirely decent manager.

Totally irrelevant though, when we already have an entirely decent manager at the club already.
 
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SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Nov 21, 2020
  • #110
Evo1883 said:
They comfortably had the biggest wage bill in league 1... Thats money spent.

They got promoted from league 1... Not league 2 and league 1 like Robins... What's your argument?
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He won League 2 with Notts County - he has more promotions on his CV than Robins. They are totally comparable
 
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Evo1883

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  • Nov 21, 2020
  • #111
Deleted member 5849 said:
tbf, Steve Cotterill is an entirely decent manager.

Totally irrelevant though, when we already have an entirely decent manager at the club already.
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I agree he's a decent manager... But he never did what Robins did... That's all I'm stating and it's a fact
 

Colin Steins Smile

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  • Nov 21, 2020
  • #112
Fans who make comparisons with other managers either here or other clubs need to consider the environment that MR is working in.

He inherited a club with a totally disaffected fan base following years of bad strategic and operational decisions.

The financial state of the club was extremely difficult and the playing squad was very poor.

He’s established a infrastructure, including scouting, coaching and sports science support that previously didn’t exist.

He has improved relationships with us as fans and seems to have a positive working relationship with the CEO.

Finally, the results has increased external revenue into the club from L2 of £1m per season to circa £7m.

So please stop trying to compare the current manager with e.g. Phil Neal. At least he had a ground to play at & splashed out £1m on Dion Dublin... all that time ago.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Nov 21, 2020
  • #113
SlowerThanPlatt said:
He won League 2 with Notts County - he has more promotions on his CV than Robins. They are totally comparable
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Again... No

Cotteril never took *A basket case of a club * from league 2 to the championship rebuilding it from top to bottom.

It's a nonsense comparison, and totally incorrect

Many managers have won promotion from league 2, doesn't mean they are Robins equal...

How many managers have taken a club like ours, in our predicament... To 2 promotions in 3 years in the football league... Please try and tell me

We've played 2 seasons after this at somebody else's ground to throw into the mix
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 21, 2020
  • #114
Terry Gibson's perm said:
If they don’t they won’t be far off they looked very poor last night
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Juke is ideal for leading the line but he missed some glorious chances last night. You can see why they don’t score many
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 21, 2020
  • #115
Evo1883 said:
I agree he's a decent manager... But he never did what Robins did... That's all I'm stating and it's a fact
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I think you're going down a rabbit hole with this really. His job at Cheltenham was astonishing, given his budget, and where the club was when he took over, steadying Portsmouth given their circumstances was a top, top job, his firing up of Notts County was remarkable.

You could equally argue Robins has done none of that

How about we just agree that Robins has done enough here that considering his future is the very definition of insanity. That's the fight we need to have here, not running down other capable managers
 

higgs

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  • Nov 21, 2020
  • #116
Not any time soon anyway mark is the man

Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk
 

SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Nov 21, 2020
  • #117
Evo1883 said:
Again... No

Cotteril never took *A basket case of a club * from league 2 to the championship rebuilding it from top to bottom.

It's a nonsense comparison, and totally incorrect

Many managers have won promotion from league 2, doesn't mean they are Robins equal...

How many managers have taken a club like ours, in our predicament... To 2 promotions in 3 years in the football league... Please try and tell me

We've played 2 seasons after this at somebody else's ground to throw into the mix
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Lol - surely that’s down to when both took the job. Cotterill took it before Christmas iirc and Robins with 10 games remaining. Cotterill never had the chance to manage to Bristol City in League 2 as he turned it round quickly to finish 12th
 
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Grendel

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  • Nov 21, 2020
  • #118
Evo1883 said:
Again... No

Cotteril never took *A basket case of a club * from league 2 to the championship rebuilding it from top to bottom.

It's a nonsense comparison, and totally incorrect

Many managers have won promotion from league 2, doesn't mean they are Robins equal...

How many managers have taken a club like ours, in our predicament... To 2 promotions in 3 years in the football league... Please try and tell me

We've played 2 seasons after this at somebody else's ground to throw into the mix
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Robins finished 6th in league 2 it was hardly massive success I’d have expected him to go then if that had not been achieved - even Presley achieved survival in league 1 when we were far more a basket case
 

Tommo1993

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  • Nov 21, 2020
  • #119
It’s just a lesson that we need to spend more than our means to be good enough. What a stupid game.
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 21, 2020
  • #120
Deleted member 5849 said:
I think you're going down a rabbit hole with this really. His job at Cheltenham was astonishing, given his budget, and where the club was when he took over, steadying Portsmouth given their circumstances was a top, top job, his firing up of Notts County was remarkable.

You could equally argue Robins has done none of that

How about we just agree that Robins has done enough that considering his future is the very definition of insanity. That's the fight we need to have here, not running down other capable managers
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Ok.. I accept that he's a decent manager... I stated this.

I also feel its very reasonable to put an extra star on the achievement of somebody who has won 2 promotions in 3 years, 1 season played already out the city rebuilding the club all the way up, changing the football philosophy right the way through to the academies and changing the entire culture of a football club....

And not once had the biggest budget in the league.

This is where they differ, would Cotteril have been able to come here and do that, nobody knows... But I'd argue no
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 21, 2020
  • #121
Grendel said:
Robins finished 6th in league 2 it was hardly massive success I’d have expected him to go then if that had not been achieved - even Presley achieved survival in league 1 when we were far more a basket case
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Oh dear, pressley had a pretty good side handed to him... Then when he sadly got the opportunity to build his own... Most of us spent matches flashing phone torches at each other


One of the worst managers I've ever witnessed at the club
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 21, 2020
  • #122
SlowerThanPlatt said:
Lol - surely that’s down to when both took the job. Cotterill took it before Christmas iirc and Robins with 10 games remaining. Cotterill never had the chance to manage to Bristol City in League 2 as he turned it round quickly to finish 12th
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I dont get the laugh tbh... You are comparing a situation where the club had good spending power and a healthy wage bill, to a club that went down to league 2 and started again effectively.

The Bristol argument is frankly absurd, the situations not at all alike and I don't... Once again... Get that comparison

The only way Robins and Cotteril compared in league 1, is that they both won promotion playing wing backs... That's as far as the comparison goes
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 21, 2020
  • #123
Evo1883 said:
Oh dear, pressley had a pretty good side handed to him... Then when he sadly got the opportunity to build his own... Most of us spent matches flashing phone torches at each other


One of the worst managers I've ever witnessed at the club
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He had a 10 point handicap and a move with 1,000 fans attending

Whereas robins could sign McNulty and Godden he had to loan Josh McQuiod - that’s my point - robins had been backed by these owners far more than any manager since Coleman
 

SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Nov 21, 2020
  • #124
Evo1883 said:
I dont get the laugh tbh... You are comparing a situation where the club had good spending power and a healthy wage bill, to a club that went down to league 2 and started again effectively.

The Bristol argument is frankly absurd, the situations not at all alike and I don't... Once again... Get that comparison
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He also won promotion with Notts County and Cheltenham

In terms of Robins, Ainsworth has achieved 2 promotions too with a considerably smaller budget both times than us
 
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Evo1883

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  • Nov 21, 2020
  • #125
Let me ask though Grendel, because this will just go through a pointless cycle.

I need to know what is it about Robins that you've never liked.. Because he's given you pretty much what you wanted over the last 3 years... Make it make sense for me?
 
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Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 21, 2020
  • #126
SlowerThanPlatt said:
He also won promotion with Notts County and Cheltenham

In terms of Robins, Ainsworth has achieved 2 promotions too with a considerably smaller budget both times than us
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This is true and should be commended... Although you'd argue that an extreme slice of luck fell his way for him to be able to pursue his promotion last year...

Wed have gone up anyway tbh, I very much doubt they would have
 

Warwickhunt

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 21, 2020
  • #127
i propose that Robins and Vivesh spent the next two days training them in the art of trapping a ball with one touch!!! The fucking basics of football were appaling last night.
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 21, 2020
  • #128
Also Cotteril at Notts County... Ffs go look up that season, they were take over and spent ... Jesus christ they had Lee Hughes and kasper schmeichal.... Deffo never spent a penny on wages either... Just had sol Campbell on the books too at one point, Jonnie Jackson that played for spurs loaning in matt Ritchie


Long story short... Not even remotely Comparible
 

mrtrench

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  • Nov 21, 2020
  • #129
It's a nice idea but we've already got plenty of options in midfield. Plus I think he retired several years ago. How about Bakes and McSheff?
 
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Evo1883

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  • Nov 21, 2020
  • #130
mrtrench said:
It's a nice idea but we've already got plenty of options in midfield. Plus I think he retired several years ago. How about Bakes and McSheff?
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Don't give them ideas ffs
 

DannyThomas_1981

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 21, 2020
  • #131
Ccfcisparks said:
If some people really would rather keep Robins then have a shot at staying up they belong on a different forum.
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If some people cannot see how Robins has transformed this club then they belong on a different planet.

Also for what it's worth - our track record in appointing new managers to achieve instant success - well let's just say it's not been over successful.
 
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Grendel

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  • Nov 21, 2020
  • #132
DannyThomas_1981 said:
If some people cannot see how Robins has transformed this club then they belong on a different planet.

Also for what it's worth - our track record in appointing new managers to achieve instant success - well let's just say it's not been over successful.
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He hasn’t transformed the club if we get relegated
 

DannyThomas_1981

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  • Nov 21, 2020
  • #133
Grendel said:
Better than Milne a man who was interviewed for the England job? Someone who worked on no budget from the mid 70’s and recruited bargain talent?

I’d even put mad as a hat Gould’s achievement of survival in season 1 as an achievement

Phil Neal managed a respectable top flight finish with a very poor squad

Then there is Sillett
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Let me understand this; you rate Gouldy and Phil Neal as better managers than Robins?

This is the same Robins we are talking about - the man who inherited a team in absolute free-fall and has engineered two promotions back to the Championship with limited funds whilst playing outside of Cov? And playing some of the best passing football I have seen in my time watching the club.

Clueless doesn't begin to even start to cover your lack of football knowledge.
 
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DannyThomas_1981

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  • Nov 21, 2020
  • #134
Grendel said:
He hasn’t transformed the club if we get relegated
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Last time I checked we had 3/4s of the season left.

You last called for a taxi for Robins in December; 3 months later we were top of the league by 5 points with a game in hand. So just for once please have a day off from your own negativity and stupidity and get a grip.
 
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Grendel

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  • Nov 21, 2020
  • #135
DannyThomas_1981 said:
Let me understand this; you rate Gouldy and Phil Neal as better managers than Robins?

This is the same Robins we are talking about - the man who inherited a team in absolute free-fall and has engineered two promotions back to the Championship with limited funds whilst playing outside of Cov? And playing some of the best passing football I have seen in my time watching the club.

Clueless doesn't begin to even start to cover your lack of football knowledge.
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The whining excuse is Robins has achieved promotions and now has a poor team and its not his fault. Robins has spent more on one player than Gould on the entire squad in a higher league.

Phil Neal achieved a top flight finish of 11th

Robins has never to be knowledge achieved that
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Nov 21, 2020
  • #136
Deleted member 9744 said:
Was going to like this post until I read the final sentence!
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I agree with him.

I'd rather stick his dick in a meat blender than watch that again.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 21, 2020
  • #137
DannyThomas_1981 said:
Last time I checked we had 3/4s of the season left.

You last called for a taxi for Robins in December; 3 months later we were top of the league by 5 points with a game in hand. So just for once please have a day off from your own negativity and stupidity and get a grip.
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Still think Biamou is the best athlete at the club?

Snigger
 

Samo

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 21, 2020
  • #138
Robins has earned a proper crack at this by any measure.
Why is it that footy fans always bang on about loyalty but as soon as things get a bit tough they can't find it in themselves?
MR for the full season no matter what for me.
 
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NortonSkyBlue

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  • Nov 21, 2020
  • #139
Terry Gibson's perm said:
The mistake Strachan made was to show to much loyalty to the pathetic Pendry, Vivash shows how important the coach is. But Strachan should have gone the previous season when I might be wrong we didn’t win a single away game.
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We didn’t win an away game but by that logic Pendry was only a decent coach for our home games. Our home form was good and it was the same players for both.
Vivash is a part of a team, no more no less and by your logic should be replaced as we are struggling.
Give the team and management a bit of earned latitude, they have earned it.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 21, 2020
  • #140
Grendel said:
The whining excuse is Robins has achieved promotions and now has a poor team and its not his fault. Robins has spent more on one player than Gould on the entire squad in a higher league.

Phil Neal achieved a top flight finish of 11th

Robins has never to be knowledge achieved that
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Your answer is Kenny Jackett. He’d have set us out 4-5-1 last night, which you were salivating over, we’d be lumping it up to Walker when that system requires a Juke type player to be even remotely effective. We’d score perhaps once every other game and go down on <40 points.

What your posts have highlighted particularly this season is your footballing judgment is miles off and I say that having previously agreed with it in seasons gone by
 
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