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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 19, 2022
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Nick said:
Why?
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Because of the alternative option?
 

SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Jul 19, 2022
  • #1,857
Nick said:
Why?
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The suggestion is that Wilson is being considered for the number 1 spot and this is Moore’s chance to impress…
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 19, 2022
  • #1,858
Oh
 
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SkyB

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  • Jul 19, 2022
  • #1,859
Realistically with a transfer of this size the club will put out a statement saying he's been released to go and talk with Burnley. I'm sure the club has released statements like this before when were selling players? (Happy to be fact checked and corrected if not)

Very unlikely we'll be blindsided by a Burnley twitter announcement as the way we find out he's gone.
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Jul 19, 2022
  • #1,860
Nick said:
Are they not in reply to people saying so and so said it or that X amount will be invested?

Fact is nobody knows what he will get from a sale be it wages or fees.
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The narrative changes all the time. Initially it was that there was no chance the club needs a sale due to a record breaking number of ST sales sold and merchandise sales being successful - despite posters suggesting neither would really increase the club's turnover all that much.

Then it switched to well if a sale is made then Robins will receive a decent proportion of any fee because he has before - again despite posters pointing out the obvious that this season is different compared to previous years and the ability for reinvestment has likely significantly lessened. Reasons have already been outlined for this.

It's now switched again to the above arguement so posters aren't wrong regardless of the outcome.
 

Nick

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  • Jul 19, 2022
  • #1,861
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
The narrative changes all the time. Initially it was that there was no chance the club needs a sale due to a record breaking number of ST sales sold and merchandise sales being successful - despite posters suggesting neither would really increase the club's turnover all that much.

Then it switched to well if a sale is made then Robins will receive a decent proportion of any fee because he has before - again despite posters pointing out the obvious that this season is different compared to previous years and the ability for reinvestment has likely significantly lessened. Reasons have already been outlined for this.

It's now switched again to the above arguement so posters aren't wrong regardless of the outcome.
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Which posters?
 
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Yorkshire SB

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  • Jul 19, 2022
  • #1,862
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
I don't think the club will necessarily stop reinvesting altogether. It clearly doesn't help this season that there are significant earners on the books such as Walker, Waghorn, Kelly as well as Kane, Dacosta and Hilssner, all of whom are swallowing a sizeable proportion of the budget available. I did say back in April that having these players still under contract would cause Robins a significant headache this summer.

Once those contracts run out next summer I'd imagine somewhere in between of £45k-£50k pw will be freed up. Or around £2.5m py.

We got away with not having to sell a player last summer due to the the Ricoh return. I'm not sure why fans think that's set some kind of precedent and any notion that the club needs a sale to operate is a bizarre conspiracy theory. It's how we've operated for years and how we'll continue to under the current ownership.
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Yeah agreed with all of that. I suppose it's just the notion that our owners won't invest the any of the money that I would take issue with.

Next summer will be interesting, presume we'll have to cash our chips on Hamer and Gyokeres then as well.
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Jul 19, 2022
  • #1,863
Yorkshire SB said:
Yeah agreed with all of that. I suppose it's just the notion that our owners won't invest the any of the money that I would take issue with.

Next summer will be interesting, presume we'll have to cash our chips on Hamer and Gyokeres then as well.
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Next summer the club will almost certainly have to sell Hamer and Gyokeres, yes. I can't see either signing new deals.
 

Terry_dactyl

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  • Jul 19, 2022
  • #1,864
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
Next summer the club will almost certainly have to sell Hamer and Gyokeres, yes. I can't see either signing new deals.
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When we’re in the Prem? Fussy gits!
 
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Nick

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  • Jul 19, 2022
  • #1,865
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
Next summer the club will almost certainly have to sell Hamer and Gyokeres, yes. I can't see either signing new deals.
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We are all going to die one day too.
 
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KFT

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  • Jul 19, 2022
  • #1,866
Nick said:
We are all going to die one day too.
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Hopefully not all on the same day though
 

Paxman II

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  • Jul 19, 2022
  • #1,867
Terry_dactyl said:
When we’re in the Prem? Fussy gits!
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Question would be. Are they good enough for the prem?
 
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coop

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  • Jul 19, 2022
  • #1,868
I don't think any of our players are good enough for the Premier league.
 

slowpoke

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  • Jul 19, 2022
  • #1,869
coop said:
I don't think any of our players are good enough for the Premier league.
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Bloody hell if we get promoted we will need about 25 new signings then.
 
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JonesBob

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  • Jul 19, 2022
  • #1,870
coop said:
I don't think any of our players are good enough for the Premier league.
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But, wouldn't you have said that about Fleck and McGoldrick? Many of our supporters were saying most would not make it in the championship.
 
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JonesBob

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  • Jul 19, 2022
  • #1,871
SlowerThanPlatt said:
The suggestion is that Wilson is being considered for the number 1 spot and this is Moore’s chance to impress…
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MR doesn't seem to think like that. He has been playing Wilson because he doubts Wilson's ability, not Moores. He has faith in Moore and he will definitely be our No.1, but Wilson? If the rumours are correct and we loan a keeper from Chelsea then Wilson could be on his way our.
 

SlowerThanPlatt

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 19, 2022
  • #1,872
JonesBob said:
MR doesn't seem to think like that. He has been playing Wilson because he doubts Wilson's ability, not Moores. He has faith in Moore and he will definitely be our No.1, but Wilson? If the rumours are correct and we loan a keeper from Chelsea then Wilson could be on his way our.
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Not seen any rumour about a Chelsea goalkeeper, do you have a name?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 19, 2022
  • #1,873
SlowerThanPlatt said:
Not seen any rumour about a Chelsea goalkeeper, do you have a name?
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Bob Jones I think
 
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SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Jul 19, 2022
  • #1,874
JonesBob said:
But, wouldn't you have said that about Fleck and McGoldrick? Many of our supporters were saying most would not make it in the championship.
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Not the greatest examples, Fleck played two seasons, was relegated in the latter and hasn’t returned since. McGoldrick the same
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Jul 19, 2022
  • #1,875
JonesBob said:
MR doesn't seem to think like that. He has been playing Wilson because he doubts Wilson's ability, not Moores. He has faith in Moore and he will definitely be our No.1, but Wilson? If the rumours are correct and we loan a keeper from Chelsea then Wilson could be on his way our.
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Two issues with this.

Why would a club willingly send their player on loan to be a No.2 and subsequently get next to no game time?

Secondly, if the RWB from Palace comes in we're at three loans already. With a maximum of five permitted in a match day squad why would Robins waste a loan spot for a No.2. GK that won't play?
 
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coop

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  • Jul 19, 2022
  • #1,876
slowpoke said:
Bloody hell if we get promoted we will need about 25 new signings then.
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Just think we are miles off and haven't got the money to even make a decent challenge of getting there never mind playing in the prem. But miracles do happen.
 
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Deity

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  • Jul 19, 2022
  • #1,877
Of course we are miles off. We finished mid table for a reason last season.

we always will be unless we go up. Then we will invest,go down, but thesquad will be better and the gap narrowed.

There are not many examples of clubs going up and then thriving …. Some do well for a season but often struggle the next. Leeds we’re lucky last season, who’s to say Brentford won’t struggle this.

if you can survive one season then your financials are very different and the newly promoted clubs are often ahead of you in the queue to be relegated.
 

ccfcchris

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  • Jul 19, 2022
  • #1,878

Callum O'Hare latest: Coventry City's crazy price tag revealed as Burnley rumours rumble on News: The72 - Football League News

Coventry City playmaker Callum O'Hare has been at the centre of transfer speculation recently, with Burnley the side chasing him.
the72.co.uk

Apologies if already been posted.
 
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robbiethemole

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  • Jul 19, 2022
  • #1,879
Deity said:
Of course we are miles off. We finished mid table for a reason last season.

we always will be unless we go up. Then we will invest,go down, but thesquad will be better and the gap narrowed.

There are not many examples of clubs going up and then thriving …. Some do well for a season but often struggle the next. Leeds we’re lucky last season, who’s to say Brentford won’t struggle this.

if you can survive one season then your financials are very different and the newly promoted clubs are often ahead of you in the queue to be relegated.
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Do we think Forests squad is good enough for the Prem? Not a chance but the £170m+ will go a long way towards upgrading their team but I think they will be another yo-yo setup, plus £92m for being relegated and then parachute payments. Absolutely mind-blowing figures, but I wish we were in with a chance of getting them.
 

Bad Boy

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  • Jul 19, 2022
  • #1,880
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
Of course we are miles off. We finished mid table for a reason last season.

we always will be unless we go up. Then we will invest,go down, but thesquad will be better and the gap narrowed.

There are not many examples of clubs going up and then thriving …. Some do well for a season but often struggle the next. Leeds we’re lucky last season, who’s to say Brentford won’t struggle this.

if you can survive one season then your financials are very different and the newly promoted clubs are often ahead of you in the queue to be relegated.
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Best example in recent seasons has been Wolves.
 
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Hobo

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  • Jul 19, 2022
  • #1,881
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
Next summer the club will almost certainly have to sell Hamer and Gyokeres, yes. I can't see either signing new deals.
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Every player in the squad is up for grabs if the price is right. Just like it has always been. Just like it is at every club.

It is just that offers you can't refuse don't come round that often in reality.

It seems to me the club this time are trying to get above market value on Gyokeres, Hamer and O'Hare. As they have pushed away offers on all three. The how much money will be put back in for reinvestment argument? At the moment is all hyperthetical speculation.
 
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long way home

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  • Jul 19, 2022
  • #1,882
Huddersfield could be the next Barnsley. Manager and best 3 players gone in a matter of weeks. Be interesting to see jow they go next season
 
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Deity

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  • Jul 19, 2022
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bad boy said:
Best example in recent seasons has been Wolves.
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They were very well invested whilst in the Championship to be fair.
 
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SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Jul 19, 2022
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Deity said:
They were very well invested whilst in the Championship to be fair.
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They had Jota and Neves when they were promoted
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 19, 2022
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wingy said:
Independent pay review bodies?
Don't appear particularly independent about what they award when the gov't comes out and says they don't want rates matched to inflation as then it creates a belief that inflation is ingrained and then it becomes ingrained .
Who on earth believes a policeman is experiencing higher inflation than a nurse and frankly who is more important.
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Not sure they'll be reviewing O'Hare's pay though
 

no_loyalty

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  • Jul 19, 2022
  • #1,886
long way home said:
Huddersfield could be the next Barnsley. Manager and best 3 players gone in a matter of weeks. Be interesting to see jow they go next season
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They have a fairly difficult run of fixtures to start (apart from Blues).
 

SBAndy

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  • Jul 19, 2022
  • #1,887
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
Next summer the club will almost certainly have to sell Hamer and Gyokeres, yes. I can't see either signing new deals.
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At least one will go in January.
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Jul 19, 2022
  • #1,888
Hobo said:
Every player in the squad is up for grabs if the price is right. Just like it has always been. Just like it is at every club.

It is just that offers you can't refuse don't come round that often in reality.

It seems to me the club this time are trying to get above market value on Gyokeres, Hamer and O'Hare. As they have pushed away offers on all three. The how much money will be put back in for reinvestment argument? At the moment is all hyperthetical speculation.
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It's not really a criticism. More of an objective fact.

Both players will have one year remaining on their respective contracts next summer (or earlier) and I'd imagine, if their progress continues, neither will sign new deals and subsequently the club will be forced to move both on.
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Jul 19, 2022
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SBAndy said:
At least one will go in January.
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I was potentially thinking this.

If they're looking to get maximum value for both then the logical choice would be to sell in January.

However, surely you would think it entirely depends on how we're doing in the league?

Especially as it would be difficult to replace either if they were to depart.
 

Hobo

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  • Jul 19, 2022
  • #1,890
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
It's not really a criticism. More of an objective fact.

Both players will have one year remaining on their respective contracts next summer (or earlier) and I'd imagine, if their progress continues, neither will sign new deals and subsequently the club will be forced to move both on.
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Not necessarilly when your stock is high as a player. Take a new contract and a pay rise with a release clause that suits you. The increased pay rise and extended contract raises their bargaining position.

Mediocre players on the other hand are better off winding contracts down and becoming free agents.
 
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