Joe Elliott is attending the Sky Blues Kenilworth Supporters Club tomorrow -Wednesday

[LarryGrayson]

I imagine that both he, Ranson and JE bought into the idea like we did.

I mean, the strategy was a good one until it changed and we began being asset-stripped.

if you didnt no wut sisu are then your a moron

 

[dongonzalos]

They refused to answer that question. Said it isn't fair on anyone at the club to comment on their position.

(Impression I got was they may have someone else in mind).

Yes I got that impression

 

[SydneySkyBlue]

How do we know they will request the money back if they haven't had an offer for the club, it's great you and others are feeding back the information from meetings like this, just have a feeling fans that have already been beaten into humiliation could finally see the last glimmer of hope going, and with it, it could be the club going as well!

This is true but it's probably more a case of what Dazzle said. Nobody seems to want to do business with them any more.

Agree. Meetings like tonight's are very important. We need as many people as possible to join the Trust; if only to show our solidarity and the potential the club has in terms of its fan base under new ownership.

 

[dongonzalos]

Now, you won't believe this, but I'm sure people will come along and back me up who have been; but Gary Hoffman told us that he comes on this site because he's a fan and wants to hear people's views. He also said that Grendel, Torch, and LordSummerisle seem to make unfounded allegations against him.

(He's got a point there; and they are clearly arseholes).

Yes he did say he was shocked at some of their false allegations

 

[torchomatic]

Like what?

Yes he did say he was shocked at some of their false allegations

 

[@richh87]

Joe Elliott is attending the Sky Blues Kenilworth Supporters Club tomorrow -Wed

I imagine that both he, Ranson and JE bought into the idea like we did.

I mean, the strategy was a good one until it changed and we began being asset-stripped.

Hoffman also said he'd had many offers to join the board down the years, but hadn't been able to because of his career. He knew nothing of SISU (minuscule in comparison to Barclay's counterparties so why would he), and was convinced by Ranson, who came across as someone who knew their stuff and had a plan.

 

[DazzleTommyDazzle]

How do we know they will request the money back if they haven't had an offer for the club, it's great you and others are feeding back the information from meetings like this, just have a feeling fans that have already been beaten into humiliation could finally see the last glimmer of hope going, and with it, it could be the club going as well!

We're all speculating here, so here goes my attempt....

I don't think even SISU are thick skinned enough to expect even a substantial chunk of their money back - money that has produced no return for the company it was put into.

I would guess that they would ask for more than any rational investor would pay, however my guess is that the trust issue would be the core of the problem. We've seen in this thread reports of how the previous bid was dealt with by them and we've seen the negotiating style adopted with ACL.

A deal of this type requires at least a minimal degree of trust on both sides and I don't think that it would be there.

 

[SydneySkyBlue]

if you didnt no wut sisu are then your a moron

Thanks for that articulate and helpful response.

 

[dongonzalos]

However he also said we are all passionate about the club and if they could see what he and Joe were doing they would possibly have different views.

 

[LarryGrayson]

he cud have googled em an found out i wud before i became a director for won of there companys shocked he cud be so incompetent

 

[LarryGrayson]

Thanks for that articulate and helpful response.

bit lick most of urs over the years mate

 

[SydneySkyBlue]

We're all speculating here, so here goes my attempt....

I don't think even SISU are thick skinned enough to expect even a substantial chunk of their money back - money that has produced no return for the company it was put into.

I would guess that they would ask for more than any rational investor would pay, however my guess is that the trust issue would be the core of the problem. We've seen in this thread reports of how the previous bid was dealt with by them and we've seen the negotiating style adopted with ACL.

A deal of this type requires at least a minimal degree of trust on both sides and I don't think that it would be there.

I can't disagree with any of that in fairness. Where the share is found to be will decide the club's future.

 

[@richh87]

Joe Elliott is attending the Sky Blues Kenilworth Supporters Club tomorrow -Wed

However he also said we are all passionate about the club and if they could see what he and Joe were doing they would possibly have different views.

True, he did. I think certain posters simply refuse to trust ANYONE for fear of one day being wrong.

There's no reason not to support Hoffman's proposals. We need investment, and he loves the club as much as any of us.

 

[@richh87]

Joe Elliott is attending the Sky Blues Kenilworth Supporters Club tomorrow -Wed

he cud have googled em an found out i wud before i became a director for won of there companys shocked he cud be so incompetent

Are you deliberately writing like that?

 

[LarryGrayson]

There's no reason not to support Hoffman's proposals. We need investment, and he loves the club as much as any of us.

if he got it so wrong before and cudnt even be bothered to find out who he was dealin with theres every reason

 

[LarryGrayson]

Are you deliberately writing like that?

are u deliberate writin lick that

 

[@richh87]

Joe Elliott is attending the Sky Blues Kenilworth Supporters Club tomorrow -Wed

are u deliberate writin lick that

Hahaha, made me laugh.

 

[Lord_Nampil]

We're all speculating here, so here goes my attempt....

I don't think even SISU are thick skinned enough to expect even a substantial chunk of their money back - money that has produced no return for the company it was put into.

I would guess that they would ask for more than any rational investor would pay, however my guess is that the trust issue would be the core of the problem. We've seen in this thread reports of how the previous bid was dealt with by them and we've seen the negotiating style adopted with ACL.

A deal of this type requires at least a minimal degree of trust on both sides and I don't think that it would be there.

Your first comment is bang on..... Also agree with your comment about money back to sisu.... It's a proper crazy situation and for the good of the club needs sorting, just hope the outcome is the club striving forward and does not drift into the oblivion

 

[@richh87]

Joe Elliott is attending the Sky Blues Kenilworth Supporters Club tomorrow -Wed

if he got it so wrong before and cudnt even be bothered to find out who he was dealin with theres every reason

What would he find from looking them up? Sod all. We can't even find a picture of Joy Sepalla!

 

[@richh87]

Joe Elliott is attending the Sky Blues Kenilworth Supporters Club tomorrow -Wed

What I've taken from this is we need to ditch this 'wait and see' approach to the administrator, because SISU, via Avro (as the main creditor) have a lot more control over his progress than we thought; hence it taking so damn long to find the golden share.

My advice - join the trust, as before long they will surely demand answers from the administrator; and the more numbers behind the Trust, the more power they will have.

 

[LarryGrayson]

What would he find from looking them up? Sod all. We can't even find a picture of Joy Sepalla!

its not hard to find stuff on em mate

 

[dongonzalos]

Torch

He basically said some people who go on skyblue talk
hide under false names and criticise him. As an example if false names he said yours Grendel and Lord.

I can't imagine he randomly picked that out if his head surely you have been critical in the past?

Comments such as Hoffman's a banker the bastard will wait till nothing is left before moving in.
He is a banker he is only in it to make money etc etc.

 

[LarryGrayson]

Torch

He basically said some people who go on skyblue talk
hide under false names and criticise him.

well the next won he does if im not housebound then ill be there an ask him to his face

 

[@richh87]

Joe Elliott is attending the Sky Blues Kenilworth Supporters Club tomorrow -Wed

its not hard to find stuff on em mate

We all know it is extremely difficult.

 

[LarryGrayson]

We all know it is extremely difficult.

it really isnt

 

[torchomatic]

So, I presume your real name is Mr Dongonzales?

Yes, I have criticized them both in the past. However, I don't think I've said Hoffman is a "bastard". People have said that we'll be OK with Hoff and Elliot at the helm as they are City fans. Can't argue with that. However, I've pointed out that would be great if it was their money, but it won't be. I've also criticised JE for his association to past regimes. Criticism? Definitely. "False Allegations"? Not in my book. Why does he feel he shouldn't be questioned or criticised?

I hope they pull it off, I really do. I'll back them as they will be running CCFC and I always back the club.

Torch

He basically said some people who go on skyblue talk
hide under false names and criticise him. As an example if false names he said yours Grendel and Lord.

I can't imagine he randomly picked that out if his head surely you have been critical in the past?

Comments such as Hoffman's a banker the bastard will wait till nothing is left before moving in.
He is a banker he is only in it to make money etc etc.

 

[dongonzalos]

So, I presume your real name is Mr Dongonzales?

Yes, I have criticized them both in the past. However, I don't think I've said Hoffman a "bastard". People have said that we'll be OK with Hoff and Elliot at the helm as they are City fans. Can'targue with that. However, I've pointed out that would be great if it as their money, but it won't be. I've also criticised JE for his association to past regimes. Criticism? Definitely. "False Allegations"? Not in my book. Why does he feel he shouldn't be questioned or criticised?

I hope they pull it off, I really do. I'll back them as they will be running CCFC and I always back the club.

Classic case of shooting the messenger!

 

[torchomatic]

Not at all. Just can't fathom why he's so bothered about criticism?

Classic case of shooting the messenger!

 

[DazzleTommyDazzle]

Not at all. Just can't fathom why he's so bothered about criticism?

Can we keep that quote ready to be accessed the next time a poster is criticised on here and goes into a rant

 

[rupert_bear]

Joe Elliott was only ever a vice-president and then an associate director and never party to the big decisions passed in the early 90s which had such a devestating effect on the football club. Became a full director and chairman during the tough time when sisu got involved. Elliott's businesses has pumped hundreds of thousands into the club, youth and reserves mainly.

 

[@richh87]

Joe Elliott is attending the Sky Blues Kenilworth Supporters Club tomorrow -Wed

Not at all. Just can't fathom why he's so bothered about criticism?

Nobody likes criticism. We all defend ourselves. Think he just wanted to show that he reads it.

He came across as very genuine. There's nothing to support yet, we just need to force the administrator to do what's best for the club - which he appears to be dragging his feet over.

 

[LarryGrayson]

Joe Elliott was only ever a vice-president and then an associate director and never party to the big decisions passed in the early 90s which had such a devestating effect on the football club. Became a full director and chairman during the tough time when sisu got involved. Elliott's businesses has pumped hundreds of thousands into the club, youth and reserves mainly.

elliot was a full director wen we left highfield road

 

[@richh87]

Joe Elliott is attending the Sky Blues Kenilworth Supporters Club tomorrow -Wed

Joe Elliott was only ever a vice-president and then an associate director and never party to the big decisions passed in the early 90s which had such a devestating effect on the football club. Became a full director and chairman during the tough time when sisu got involved. Elliott's businesses has pumped hundreds of thousands into the club, youth and reserves mainly.

Yep, he pointed out he sponsored the kit in the 85/86 season, and matched Granada Bingo's bid for 86/87. He also sponsored the youth team for many years along with other financial contributions. He's never had a penny out and has never been in a real position of power.

 

[DazzleTommyDazzle]

Joe Elliott was only ever a vice-president and then an associate director and never party to the big decisions passed in the early 90s which had such a devestating effect on the football club. Became a full director and chairman during the tough time when sisu got involved. Elliott's businesses has pumped hundreds of thousands into the club, youth and reserves mainly.

True - on the basis of a number of posts on this site over a long period, there are people who have no idea how corporate governance operates and so come out with rather silly sweeping statements.

If I was on the end of such comments would I be a bit peeved? Reckon so!

 

[rupert_bear]

Not at all. Just can't fathom why he's so bothered about criticism?

Because your criticism is unjustified and without foundation. And in my opinion just to be different. The bloke has done nothing he hasn't said he would do.