So where's the money going to come from to buy an electric car then, if none are available for £500?
Well with batteries needing to be replaced, you'd already be taking something of a chance to buy an electric car with a battery coming up to five years' old, unless you had the money to replace that... and you're looking at up to about £3.5k for that. Find me a second hand car for £500 that's four years old.Why won’t any be available for £500?
Why won’t any be available for £500?
Used electric is only expensive now because there’s limited supply on the market and they’re a new product. A 2015 Zoe is about £6-7k and that would cost more than a Fiesta of similar spec to buy new. Once prices are cheaper and the market has been flooded why would they be any more expensive?
Add in the fact you’ll be paying double for your fuel plus extra on tax and likely by that point insurance, plus any road charges for ULEZs. It would still be a stupid financial decision even if your £500 car was now £800 or even £1k.
Hydrogen is an awful idea for a mobile fuel IMO.
I don’t see why the poorer would need help to buy something cheaper TBH.
Everyone seems stuck five years ago when there was a massive price premium. That’ll completely disappear and reverse over the next 5 years. Battery lifecycle is already improving with 1M mile prototypes already in existence, prices have dropped for batteries by 90% in a decade and will continue to.
I’ll say it again: if you’re buying an ICE car even second hand in 2040 you need your head looking at. I know people buying up petrol forecourts in anticipation of the market collapsing and prime real estate coming in.
This is all very 1960s “the world only needs five computers” level of thinking.
The thing with a 2015 Zoe for £6k is that the battery is leased as well so you have another monthly outgoing on it.
If you want it without a lease, probably double the price.
What’s the equivalent of a Zoe in petrol - a Clio?
You can pick up a newer, decent Clio for the same price with no limits on mileage.Nah they’re not that nice, maybe a Fiesta? I don’t know Renaults range to give an equivalent, but I know the Zoe.
Again though that’s a function of current early adopter tech. As I said in the last decade battery prices have come down 90%, so a 7 year old car is going to have an expensive battery. Once we get to mass production and a proper competitive market, plus the huge amount of R&D that’s been flooded into it battery prices will get lower and lower, that’s the main reason electric cars are predicted to be cheaper than petrol to produce by 2027.
So at worst @Deleted member 5849 is going to have to drive around in a banger for another couple of years post 2040, but he’ll be no means be in the majority or even be better off once the other costs are considered. The average age of a car on the road is just under 9 years, the average age until scrappage is just under 14. To think that won’t go down with a bug push for people to change is ridiculous.
As I say it reminds me of skeptics before every technological change ever. People are always caught unaware by exponential growth.
You can pick up a newer, decent Clio for the same price with no limits on mileage.
Yes cheaper to produce.... Doesn't always mean cheaper to buy.
Such a waste to scrap a perfectly fine 14 year old car though, isn't it?
Which is my point a Zoe starts at £30 grand
Oh I was comparing to a used one at 6.5k.
Someone also needs to pay for houses to have charge points on them (and in some instances this won't just be installing the charger, but re-wiring the bloody house so it can cope) - and facilities for people who only have street parking. Someone has to pay for that, or change won't happen quickly, as it's a bunch of up front costs.
Which is my point a Zoe starts at £30 grand
You're really not. This is the standard for most road users, spend more than they'd like to, because they can't afford the costs to be able to spend less.And you are talking real edge cases here, in a place where they can afford a car, but not enough for an electric car and live somewhere where a point either hasn’t or can’t be installed and there’s no local charging infrastructure and none at work, but they’re still willing to pay through the nose for fuel and tax.
Yes now it does. But in five years it won’t.
You're really not. This is the standard for most road users, spend more than they'd like to, because they can't afford the costs to be able to spend less.
Again, we're talking about changing things quickly, and that needs assistance otherwise it just won't happen, the barriers will prevent it.
Not only that... but we're in thrall to the car makers because they offer employment. In terms of scrappage, what kind of system are we setting up, encouraging people to scrap cars more quickly? Fine if you're changing for a purpose, but surely any new technology aiming at being encironmentally friendly should be encouraging people to keep their cars for longer, and so reduce the energy cost of producing another one?
But Stellantis would not be overly happy with that...!
You're coming across as rather elitest in this, you're saying because the middle and upper classes can manage it, the working classes should be abandoned and given no assistance - tough on them.I think you’re massively overestimating the number of people that drive bangers. I’ve already given you the stats on average age of scrappage. On that alone and no behaviour shifts then by 2044 most petrol cars have been scrapped. And there will be a behaviour shift.
Two thirds of homes have off road parking. I already know people who charge at work or on the weekly shop, it will become commonplace to have electric car charging points in car parks like we do disabled spaces. It will become commonplace for works car parks to offer it.
And again, because this doesn’t seem to be getting through: electric cars will soon be cheaper to buy than petrol cars. So by 2040 you are claiming a majority of people will be unable to access electric cars. Are you sure about this?
I think you’re massively overestimating the number of people that drive bangers. I’ve already given you the stats on average age of scrappage. On that alone and no behaviour shifts then by 2044 most petrol cars have been scrapped. And there will be a behaviour shift.
Two thirds of homes have off road parking. I already know people who charge at work or on the weekly shop, it will become commonplace to have electric car charging points in car parks like we do disabled spaces. It will become commonplace for works car parks to offer it.
And again, because this doesn’t seem to be getting through: electric cars will soon be cheaper to buy than petrol cars. So by 2040 you are claiming a majority of people will be unable to access electric cars. Are you sure about this?
Yep ..and you try and part ex a battery lease Zoe and nobody wants to know at a sensible price , our one at work was down to 39 miles on a full charge which was a nightmare when you wanted to go look at a car more than 30 miles away..The thing with a 2015 Zoe for £6k is that the battery is leased as well so you have another monthly outgoing on it.
If you want it without a lease, probably double the price.
Hydrogen is an awful idea for a mobile fuel IMO.
I don’t see why the poorer would need help to buy something cheaper TBH.
Everyone seems stuck five years ago when there was a massive price premium. That’ll completely disappear and reverse over the next 5 years. Battery lifecycle is already improving with 1M mile prototypes already in existence, prices have dropped for batteries by 90% in a decade and will continue to.
I’ll say it again: if you’re buying an ICE car even second hand in 2040 you need your head looking at. I know people buying up petrol forecourts in anticipation of the market collapsing and prime real estate coming in.
This is all very 1960s “the world only needs five computers” level of thinking.
I think you’re massively overestimating the number of people that drive bangers. I’ve already given you the stats on average age of scrappage. On that alone and no behaviour shifts then by 2044 most petrol cars have been scrapped. And there will be a behaviour shift.
Two thirds of homes have off road parking. I already know people who charge at work or on the weekly shop, it will become commonplace to have electric car charging points in car parks like we do disabled spaces. It will become commonplace for works car parks to offer it.
And again, because this doesn’t seem to be getting through: electric cars will soon be cheaper to buy than petrol cars. So by 2040 you are claiming a majority of people will be unable to access electric cars. Are you sure about this?
Interesting that forecourts are being bought up, are they considered prime real estate as most former forecourts don't seem that way?
Interesting that forecourts are being bought up, are they considered prime real estate as most former forecourts don't seem that way?
If anyone has an older petrol engine car, say 10 years old , regularly serviced and average miles , why on earth would anyone in their right mind scrap it, given the cost to the environment in having it dismantled and the cost to the environment the production of a new electric car . No thanks. I'm not buying into it.Yes cheaper to produce.... Doesn't always mean cheaper to buy.
Such a waste to scrap a perfectly fine 14 year old car though, isn't it?
He is the man with the five computers way of thinking when it comes to how the automotive industry giants work and control the market
If anyone has an older petrol engine car, say 10 years old , regularly serviced and average miles , why on earth would anyone in their right mind scrap it, given the cost to the environment in having it dismantled and the cost to the environment the production of a new electric car . No thanks. I'm not buying into it.
These ones?
Six Major Automakers Agree to End Gas Car Sales Globally by 2040
Ford, GM, Mercedes-Benz, and others, along with 30 nations, signed a pledge to eliminate sales of new gas and diesel-powered cars by 2035 in “leading markets.”www.caranddriver.com
Because we’re already selling EVs as fast as we can make them, no one is spinning up a production line because you’d decided the Maestro has to go a year early.
Where do you charge them if you live in a terraced house? Or are they just for people who can afford a detached mansion with charging ports in the double garage??Hydrogen is an awful idea for a mobile fuel IMO.
I don’t see why the poorer would need help to buy something cheaper TBH.
Everyone seems stuck five years ago when there was a massive price premium. That’ll completely disappear and reverse over the next 5 years. Battery lifecycle is already improving with 1M mile prototypes already in existence, prices have dropped for batteries by 90% in a decade and will continue to.
I’ll say it again: if you’re buying an ICE car even second hand in 2040 you need your head looking at. I know people buying up petrol forecourts in anticipation of the market collapsing and prime real estate coming in.
This is all very 1960s “the world only needs five computers” level of thinking.
They signed a pledge purely as they think they can do the PHEV con - also they don’t sell any cars to customers
Where do you charge them if you live in a terraced house? Or are they just for people who can afford a detached mansion with charging ports in the double garage??
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?