fernandopartridge
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Deaths can only go one way for a while. It'll get worse before it gets better as the numbers in hospital and ventilators pile up, plus lots of outbreaks in care homes as well
Deaths can only go one way for a while. It'll get worse before it gets better as the numbers in hospital and ventilators pile up, plus lots of outbreaks in care homes as wellcases and deaths deffo moving in wrong direction
Deaths can only go one way for a while. It'll get worse before it gets better as the numbers in hospital and ventilators pile up, plus lots of outbreaks in care homes as well
Johnson today seemed to basically be giving up as well which is worrying. He's been shit but now he looks beaten as well.
I think some of that was to try and deflect criticism of the sweeping powers they've given themselves without parliamentary debateJohnson today seemed to basically be giving up as well which is worrying. He's been shit but now he looks beaten as well.
I think some of that was to try and deflect criticism of the sweeping powers they've given themselves without parliamentary debate
According to Aeromexico (owned by Delta) the HEPA air filters are the same ones used in Hospitals and removes 99.9% of bacteria from the air.I read something about the 'HEPA' air filters on flights being particularly effective at removing corona particles from the air.
But the bluster is gone, he knows it's all going wrong and everyone is going to blame him.
If it’s correct we can get the bunting out. Boris has actually got something right. First for everything and if that is the case I only applaud his response, even if he himself didn’t understand what that response was.In more positive news.....
Imperial college have indicated that R rate has actually fallen (from 1.5/1.7 to around 1.1) in recent days. If this is correct it might’ve been the initial briefings a week or two ago that might’ve jolted the public out of what was becoming a more complacent approach to the virus. Too early to tell for sure as their sample testing might not be representative of the local spikes
Looking at the info provided in the briefIng yesterday:
There is substantial capacity in the NHS (inc 30k ventilators)
Even though schools have reopened the virus and therefore case numbers are not currently rising exponentially in school aged kids. Hopefully this message will reduce the numbers of kids getting tested (I’m guessing when they have colds etc), which will free up testing capacity for those of higher risk.
All a bit early for judgments but let’s hope the better news continues (even though Id expect numbers to continue to increase for a bit yet - especially I’m guessing around uni’s)
Ps Keeping a close eye on France and Spain to see if their high case numbers translate to high death numbers. Although higher still appear under control(ish) at present. Fingers crossed
If it’s correct we can get the bunting out. Boris has actually got something right. First for everything and if that is the case I only applaud his response, even if he himself didn’t understand what that response was.
According to Aeromexico (owned by Delta) the HEPA air filters are the same ones used in Hospitals and removes 99.9% of bacteria from the air.
As someone else said, I would much prefer to be on a flight than in a bar, or an underground or subway or whatever.
In more positive news.....
Imperial college have indicated that R rate has actually fallen (from 1.5/1.7 to around 1.1) in recent days. If this is correct it might’ve been the initial briefings a week or two ago that might’ve jolted the public out of what was becoming a more complacent approach to the virus. Too early to tell for sure as their sample testing might not be representative of the local spikes
Looking at the info provided in the briefIng yesterday:
There is substantial capacity in the NHS (inc 30k ventilators)
Even though schools have reopened the virus and therefore case numbers are not currently rising exponentially in school aged kids. Hopefully this message will reduce the numbers of kids getting tested (I’m guessing when they have colds etc), which will free up testing capacity for those of higher risk.
All a bit early for judgments but let’s hope the better news continues (even though Id expect numbers to continue to increase for a bit yet - especially I’m guessing around uni’s)
Ps Keeping a close eye on France and Spain to see if their high case numbers translate to high death numbers. Although higher still appear under control(ish) at present. Fingers crossed
Great news if the trend holds up. Little wary of the national survey as I’m not sure if this is the higher resolution one that can spot localised outbreaks, but it’s probably the best dataset we’ve got.
On the kids point, I doubt it’ll do much. Schools still want a negative test before they let kids back in so the motivation for parents is still there.
The first important point is to always make sure you're comparing the same source. The R number given by Imperial has been very different from the one given by the government so people need to be careful not to interchange the two.I don't think the national survey is very good for working this out anymore. It's dataset is worked out for the country as a whole so it will miss localised outbreaks. Remember places like Liverpool, Newcastle, Manchester and others have x10 as many cases per 100k as the England average so lower spreading areas will drive down the the national average on most things. Looking at the local figures in these places the R rate is still well above 1.
Yeah a lot of data appears,but not on a consistent measure,be that time or demographics.The first important point is to always make sure you're comparing the same source. The R number given by Imperial has been very different from the one given by the government so people need to be careful not to interchange the two.
The second point is the margin of error. The headline figure is 1.1 but the report itself says it could be anywhere between 0.7 to 1.5 compared to a headline figure of 1.7 a month ago.
And of course anything over 1 means that overall its heading in the wrong direction. Unfortunately they only seem to release results monthly so it will be a while before we see if the downward trend continues and hopefully goes below 1.
I don't think the national survey is very good for working this out anymore. It's dataset is worked out for the country as a whole so it will miss localised outbreaks. Remember places like Liverpool, Newcastle, Manchester and others have x10 as many cases per 100k as the England average so lower spreading areas will drive down the the national average on most things. Looking at the local figures in these places the R rate is still well above 1.
I don't think the national survey is very good for working this out anymore. It's dataset is worked out for the country as a whole so it will miss localised outbreaks. Remember places like Liverpool, Newcastle, Manchester and others have x10 as many cases per 100k as the England average so lower spreading areas will drive down the the national average on most things. Looking at the local figures in these places the R rate is still well above 1.
This is why it’s wrong not to have a smoking section on planes. Just saying.
Local areas maybe need to be bigger though. Was daft Teesside not being included until now, you could say Midlands is right on the cusp all around.Agree. To be honest I agree with the localised approach/measures at present due to this fact
Ps still hoping the rate of increase is being brought back under control though
Said a spokesman for the tobacco industry. I think it turned out to be a complete urban myth IIRC.I did hear that since smoking got banned on flights air quality has actually got poorer on planes because they recycle the air less to cut costs. When there was smoke in the air they had to pump fresh air in far more often.
Said a spokesman for the tobacco industry. I think it turned out to be a complete urban myth IIRC.
Found that a bit confusing given the rate per 100k in the percieved problem area's.
Can vouch for the infection after flightsI think it was a report that more people were getting nauseous on flights and developing colds etc after flights.
You may be right as I didn't follow it up to check.
Hartlepool.
80% of cases are occurring when households mix.
The solution to that one should be relatively simple?
You wouldn't want to go to Stockton, even if you are a mean, moody, killer virus!Go to surrounding areas to mix so the Hartlepool figures drop?
There's a nice pub by the canalYou wouldn't want to go to Stockton, even if you are a mean, moody, killer virus!
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